some suggestion for names
 

I will be in a very short time happy owner of two puppies of CSW, one male and one female.
I have some difficulties in choosing their names.
Is very important to be short to be easily pronounced by my son (1 year and 5 months old)

So ... any help will be appreciated :)

Hi,

I would suggest NO and STOP.
Probably the words you gonna use the most anyway...

Michael

:p
"Thanks" for the encouragement ...
:))

Oh, just a matter of experience;)...
Good luck (and nerves).

Michael

Thank you very much.
I hope I will have ... :)


Alin

Hmmmm.....interesting thread -:grins

well, here´s another suggestion from me:

What about may be : "Get down" and "Give out" ??:wink:

Best greetings to you - and don´t give up....


Uli alias Silvester / former Smartwolf

Postscriptum:

Another fine names could be "Bad" and "Worse"...

:))))
Guys ... do not scare me more then I am now ...
I have 2 more weeks until i will get it ... so ... i have so times to change my mind :rock_3

Are you sure that you want TWO csw in the same time? For me its not good idea.

Please don't create false troubles! His main "problem" now is... how to call his own puppies!:(

I decided that also for them ... being two will make it easier to adapt ...
I hope this decision will not have bad consequences for me ... :)

Navarre ... any advice that can be useful for a real beginner will be more than appreciated ...

- better one puppy at once
- choose the name you feel, never ask other people how to call your dogs!;)
You can choose a long name too and then call him with a nickname...

If it is not a secret... Who is the nice breeder who agreed to sell you two wolfdog puppies at once? :)

Navarre ... I am perfect agree with your advice regarding the name ... however some idea can not harm :)
Probably after a short period after I will have them will be much easy :)
Regarding my decision to have two in the same time ... you got me thinking ... :)


Vaiva ... it's about the only breeder from Romania: Von Königs-Terry

I agree - do not get two at the same time. Get one. After bringing it up and teaching it to behave, you can get another one. Or not. If you get both at the same time, you'll get in trouble much easier. It does not mean you will. But the chances are higher. Puppies will adapt to your family better if they are alone. Two pups make a pack and are harder to socialize properly, and support one another in doing bad things.

As for names, if you are Romanian, then something from latin might suit you? I'd suggest Lupo for male and Cana (pronounced Kana - from Canis) for girl.

Konigs-terry it's not the only breeder in Romania. It's only the biggest ...
I think that you should have been informed first about the breed (characteristics, space request, problems you might have etc). Or after you have made your own research you could get to a conclusion whether to buy two dogs at once or not. This won't be the biggest problem if you will have the time to spend with them and maybe you have someone to help you with them (it's like in baby twins ... :)) You should prepare your home (more explicit - secure your home - check objects that might be harmful for them). AND GOOD LUCK!
In Romania there is also a czw puppy mill in Cluj. PAY ATTENTION TO ULFIE VON KONIGS TERRY!
Think you won't be among owners that will come to the conclusion that czech wolfdog is not a breed for them ... because two at once is a little overwhelming ...
In the end to come with a solution to your question check this site:
http://finddognames.com/

Regars,
Beatrice.

P.S.: I don't know where you're from, but if you'll pass through Neamt county you will find our kennel in Durau: Ceahlau Wolves. Or you can meet other czech wolfdogs in shows.
GOOD LUCK AGAIN!

easy to pronounce by a child......one syllable ;)

ping and pong
jack and jill
one and two
wish and bone
............

Boysie and Girlie

Thank you very much to you all ...
I own a house with a big yard (2000 sqm) and a big part of this land is for wolves.
The biggest problem is my time ...
The breeder told me since our first discussion (few months) ago that will not be easy with two in the same time but probably until now, when i have only few days until the moment when the puppies will be in my yard, I didn't pay to much attention to this aspect .... :)
I'll see ... with the names and also with the numbers :)

Sorry to say this, but you don't seem to know much about vlcaks and even less about CSV pups and raising them. :(
However big your yard is, they'll want and attempt to be next to their human pack most of the time!
Brining up a pup by leaving it to run in a yard, (at least most of the time), is a very bad idea. Leaving two pups to run free in a yard means asking for serious troubles.

BTW What do you mean by big part of land for wolves? Do you happen to own wolves? :o

Wolves ... what is the name of this breed ? I think that is not so difficult to realize that was a figure of speech ...

I don't know nothing about rising puppies of csw ... I am not that kind of person who after reading a book about soccer he believes that he is at least Maradona ...

I chose this bread because I need a dog who loves children, has a very well developed sense of property and is suspicions with strangers and also for his look.

In the past I had two german shepherd and i train them by myself to obey basic commands.
This does not mean that I am a trainer or that i know everything about the german shepherd.

So ... about my yard ... the point was that I am not afraid that the puppies will destroy my sofa or my TV ... I do not intend to abandon that dog in the back of my house ... specially that I have a son which will fall in love of our next member of the family ...

I am open to any advice regarding the puppies because I want everything is the best for them ...

Thank you very much and really I am glad that I found this community ...

I know it must be hard to read comments or suggestions about not getting 2 dogs at once especially without having prior breed experience... when you post here really wanting support and people to share your excitement and happiness. I really understand it.

But there have been already posts on Wolfdog.org of others who have attempted to have 2 puppies at once from 1 litter with not very good results = double the trouble, double the training, more difficulty in training, more frustration - I think regular owners who are on their first Vlcak find it frustrating enough... ;)

As I believe Jorja Wolfzone and Raider Wolfzone were brought together and shortly afterwards both returned to their breeder or otherwise gotten rid of.

I am only on my first CsV and he will be 1 year old soon. I cannot imagine having brought 2 at the same exact time, they require A LOT of training and time dedication to raise them up right and socialized. And I cannot imagine having another one within 1 or 2 years, that is how much training he will need.


I hope you will reconsider or at least think about how to readjust your schedule to better accommodate your family additions.

And, by the way, I do not trust my 1 year old male CsV to be good with children. He is just too big, rough, and at parks I must be extra careful, because he will knock children down and sometimes mouth too roughly even to me.

I don't think many vlcaks have a well developed sense of property! Instead they have rather extremely very well developed sense of pack membership. :p

CSVs "think" differently and act differently than GSDs. Reading some threads about training to avoid basic errors might be helpful.

Relieved to hear this 8) In the first months a pup requires really a lot of time and energy! Any shortcuts in socialization and training might backfire later.:cry:


Good luck!

Then I think you're chosing the wrong breed.
Yes, wolfdogs do love child as they do love humans, after 4 months old you will have 2 wolfdogs with no idea about their own strenght and wishing to learn more about their own capacities, it will get worst as more they grow more strong they get, mean you will soon have two troglodytes in your garden, with 12 months they will have almost the size of an adult with the mind of a pup.
You will teach him how to play with humans, but when they play with each other they can easily run over someone without note they did it, it can be quite tragical for a small child.
But it talking about already educated dogs, lets think when they are learning about life and rules, they will jump and bite hard and they will be strong enough to bring down a child which is playing.
Then, lets correct it, educated adult wolfdogs can be good dogs with kids.

As guarding dogs, mainly when we talk about property, better chose a Rottweiler, maybe a German Shepherd working line, CzW can be good guarding dogs if you work hard on it and expend a lot of time socializing, even this way their tendency is not protect the property, but the pack, you will also need to have a strong bond with them to have them as really guard dog.
Either way, don't expect them to be a guard dog as you should be used to, after all wolfdogs loves humans and tend to be very kind with them, even strangers.

Yeah, they have a sense of property all right. Everything I want belongs to ME! That is the basic attitude. They know where is their pack headquarters, but that does not mean they will not try to roam around if they manage to escape and decide it is fun. They will guard their territory, which means they will bark at all dogs they are not friend with, and look suspiciously at people. They will let them in, but once they grow up, they'll not let them out.

With children they can be great - but they need to grow up near them - to know from puppyhood that that is something fragile. Of course, when a wolfdog is mature it will also be able to accomodate with children, the hardest is with adolescent wolfdogs who do not have child in the family and only meet them in streets (my Frei was long just too enthusiastic to play with them, so I had to be careful).

And last thing - young wolfdog needs a lot of time. It will not be better if you try to compensate for lack of it by giving it another wolfdog to play with. It does not need your time because it needs to play (it can play by itself a lot - destroying mostly) but it needs your time to be socialized, to be brought up and taught what is OK and what is forbidden.

I completely understand your desire to get a puppy or two. But if you want to be happy, you really should consider if you are doing the right thing. And really, even if you get a puppy (and I wish you good luck with that), I really thing better idea for a playmate would be a cat. They can be good friends (I know quite a lot wolfdogs that have cat friends), but do not support each other in doing wrongs and most of all, cat does not need so much of your attention as a second puppy does.

Good luck from me too!

Wellcome in the club DEOCAMDATA!
For sure there are different personalities of CSW and I subscribe to all the posts on this thread.
But one thing is for sure.Does not matter how big your yard is but your CSW will want to be anytime where you are.
When you ll get the pupies you will know what name.:)
Mine has also cats as friends and a shepperd dog.

:lol::lol: Oh yes, vlcak's affection sometimes... hurts ;-)

oH, GOSH, a very careful breeder here in Italy once told me "If you want two CSWs, do it, they're splendid but... DO NOT TAKE TWO PUPPIES AT THE TIME... two pups are not twice the work, they are FOUR TIME the work!"

That is because they will form a very strong bond with each other, so you really risk to be cut out.

The child, besides, is very young and it is easier to teach to ONE dog (female, I daresay!) to be delicate than to two.

I have a 13 months old male who was so rough as a puppy with children, even if he loves them!! Now he has started to be more delicate (especially with very small children), but it took a lot of work and patience and I never leave the eyes off of him when children are around!!

Please, take only one, and raise it properly, then you can think to take the second (if the first has not done his or her job well :P)

Thank you all guys ...
This Saturday I will take final decision :)

...please please do not get two at once if this is your first time living with this breed :(

Very true :)

So ... is only one ... for the beginning ...
It is absolutely spectacular ... very active and after first night seams that he has already accommodate with his new home and his new family.
His name in the pedigree certificate is Karlos ... probably he will have a nick name ... :)
So ... thank you again for all your advices.

Congrats! I hope you'll all get used to one another quickly. I am glad that you decided for only one in the beginning. Lots of luck!

Very wise decision... 8) This time next year you'll know why :twisted: :)

Enjoy his puppyhood and start training asap! The earlier the easier (though not necessarily faster) it's to imprint some behaviour patterns...

brilliant!! good decision :).. welcome karlos :).... pics please :)

I quote Rona!!

Wise decision, and yes, start training immediately (a training fit for the age) because you will need it in around 10 months XD...

Word of a male CSW owner!

silly question :oops: but do dog owners in the continent not start training the minute the new pup/dog enters the home? :?

Lot of them never start.
My first impression when I visit UK with my beagle was very high obedience level presented by normal owners and their pets on the streets, in parks, etc. I have never seen so awareness? owners as British ;-)

Here in Italy it depends.

Most of the dogs do not receive the basic education. And when I say MOST, I mean MOST.

I started when Spettro was 4 months old. It was not easy to find the right person, the first I was at did not convince me and I did not trust him... when I found our present trainer, I was very happy.

Anyway, even if I did not have a trainer, I started teaching him little exercise and I socialised him a lot. So when we started, we weren't completely at zero.

I can assure you that dog owners that go to training are an exception.. Sadly.

Most people in the USA do not take their dogs to class for training or socialization or get a trainer unless they are having huge problems with their dogs, and then only sometimes they will get help. :?

Mostly of the super minority people who do train, are people who intend to use their dogs for sports or working.

My local kennel club offers basic obedience classes (sit, down, stay, heel, stand for exam) - 6 weeks, $60, one hour each week, all positive training with a fitted nylon slip collar (dominant dog collar). We usually start out with 8-10 people for a session (sessions are usually back to back). By the end, 25%-50% of the people have given up...it's not from lack of effort on the instructor's part! And it is usually the most out of control dogs. :? One can only guess what happens to the dog after that...

So ... this is Karlos Von Konigs Terry :)

http://i979.photobucket.com/albums/a...1108-00019.jpg

I will ... after few weeks ... at least with the basic training ...

I would never have considered this either.

I get more and more people calling to book the dog in before they have purchased it. :)

He is adorable ;)

Thank you very much :)

Sooo Reddish!! I Love reddishes!! Me myself have a Baby Red Rat!! :D...

As regarding training, I suggest: start with the first rules at home (remember: what you allow NOW that he is a Puppy, he will want to do it even when he is a HUGE wolf ;)... so think carefully XD), socialising him at the most (even before the vaccinations are complete, just pay attention to what he comes in contact with) and, as soon as the vaccinations are complete, go to training. If it is done well, it will teach YOU how to handle him, and it will teach HIM that you are trustful and loyal and it is good to follow and obey ;).

Working with one's dog is funny and gives a lot of satisfaction, at least to me!

Welcome Karlos :) Now the fun starts, introducing him to the big world outside of Timisoara :) Who is his Daddy?

Why wait a few weeks?
We started almost immediately training Lorka in returning food (raw bone) in exchange for pieces of meat, leaving our bed or couch on command, walking on leash in the hall, "don't touch" and "come" commads, etc.
It's also a good idea to carry the pup for a walk (vaccinations!) and take him to various places to show him a bit of the world, traffic, people, and accustom him to the car (at the beginning just give him food there and play for a while). Of course such 'trainings' should be playful and very short, a few minutes every couple of hours

Belive me, it's much easier to teach the little puppy, for example that you have the right to remove anything from his mouth, than a big animal with wolf-like teeth. :twisted:

Dark von Konigs Terry

He is only 6 weeks old.
I think that NO it's enough for this age ... or not ? :)

6 weeks old is very young to be away from mum and siblings - our pups do not leave mum till they are at least 10 weeks old. You may have trouble with his bite inhibition as he has not learnt this from his litter mates - be careful of this especially with your child... CsV puppies use their mouths a LOT in play and have no idea of their own strength

Always use more `OK` than `NO` :) After `NO` you must show some replacement behavior with is `OK` :) You can`t be this man who only prohibit ;)

Yes, why 6 weeks? I took Spettro when he was 8 weeks old (it seems so few time but they make ALL the difference). I wanted him to be on full in his best socialisation period (5-13 weeks) without losing the inibition of the bite of his mum. Anyway in Italy you cannot give a puppy away before 60 days or so!

And I started immediately the training, little things, always put in a playful manner, so that he had to think about it but enjoyed it.

Anyway, at 6 weeks he is old enough to learn in a playful manner the "Sit", the "down", and do not be indulgent with him now otherwise he will pretend it as an adult. You'll have to be softly strict...

Hmmmm ... we already have this problem with the bite ...
Today my son cried few times because of this.
So ... this is the reason that I think No is the first command.
I will try to teach him that we are not his dolls ... he has few toys and he can bite them as much as he want.

Also because his age I think I will keep him over the night inside the house even it is a little messy ... outside are around zero Celsius degrees ... I don't know if this is a good idea but it's what I feel ...

Add that puppy's teeth are a nightmare... and I can believe you child cries :(.

Ok, when he bites you, you should cry (like they do... imitate their crying), then say a kind NO and offer him something else to bite as soon as he leaves you. Be patient.

Do you know some other dog he can stay with few times a week (obviously vaccinated and equilibrated!) that can teach him how to behave?

It would help a bit.

Our dogs always stay inside with us. ;)

And my male CsV still uses his teeth on me sometimes too roughly, only he figured out finally after about 10 months not to put teeth on my face (but hands, arms, and legs are still OK.. :shock:) Lots of patience and lots of repetition is necessary...

We have only a cat ... but until now are enemies and the cat is the boss ... at least a period .... I am sure ...
I will be patient ....

Be always careful when cat and dog are together and they may be able to live together and like it ;).

Spettro stays in home too, he sleeps here in house and stays with us.

He now knows how to control his bite most of the times, but with puppy's teeth I just wanted to cry XD... it will pass!

Sorry for asking you that ... but you guys have an yard ... ?
I prepared a nice paddock for him for day time when we are not around and my plan was to leave it outside and free during the night ... I need also to be a guard dog ...

Yes Deocamdata, I do have a garden, but Spettro stays inside anyway.

If you need a guard dog, remember that CSWs usually do not guard Places but people. So the best place you can keep him to do this job is in home, as he will tend to warn the pack of strange things!

Spettro does a lot of guard now, if someone stays in front of my home, he will at first give me a Woof Woof to warn me and then bark loudly to warn the people outside to STAY outside XD...

For me it looks... cruel to leave so young a pup for so much time alone. :(
Until he came to your house, he had been spending all his time with his mum and the rest of pups. It must be a really huge shock for the baby suddenly to be left all alone...
Staying alone is always one of the most difficult issues with vlcaks. Of course it should be taught, but gradually...

For sure it is a cruelty for a young puppy. Now he is staying in house during the night and also from time to time during the day. I don't want to get used him only inside ...
But for a dog ... it's a normal situation in my opinion ...

I understand you very well. But don't forget that people on this forum want the best for their dogs. Some of us even put dog first and then human. So the idea that he is still a dog, differs from person to person. I'm also living with my czw's in the house. They have a big yard of 2000 sqm and two big paddoks, but they prefer the house and they NEED to be in contact with people all the time (especially family). So you try to think that this is not a dog, but most wolf and look at many documentaries about wolf behaviour. It is vital for your puppy to stay more than half of the day with you, especially in this critical period, which is so important in his forming. A loose dog will do only what he wants and this is not good for his future training. Must be equilibrium between "no" and "good boy". He needs your appreciation and feedback on everything. You need to have a lot of communication to him, and most of all, he needs to know that your son is also as important as any other family member and he is also a pack leader.
It's also important to train him not to pee in the house.
You can put him stay outside, in the paddock, but you must reward him every time he enters and stay there and then increase the time progressivelly. He must not preceive it like a punishment. And when you establish a rule, don't deviate form it. And remember: he will always try to be the boss. The success for his training lies only in your hands (and your family's).
Every dog will defend its teritory. So I'm sure that your dog will bark at the people or dogs approaching your home. But, as other colleagues here said it: the czw is best for personal defence. They would love to defend you and your family.

Yes, I do have exterior space to put the dogs but, if I wanted a dog to live outside and guard, I wouldn't get this breed with its high need for companionship and low desire to guard things over family :)

Update ... :)


http://i979.photobucket.com/albums/a...ocamdata/1.jpg

Very cute :) have you managed to overcome the biting? I've been puppy broody for the past few weeks and this is making me so much worse :lol:

He's growing up :) Looks like he is enjoying that nice big bone - much tastier than his cardboard (but all puppies love to rip up cardboard, so maybe it does taste good to them?)

We still have this problem ... but increasingly less.
The biggest problem is that my wife is afraid of him and he knows that.
When I am around everything is perfect but in my absence he think that he is the boss ...


Not only the cardboard ... everything can be destroyed :)) ...

Hi!
Have you thought their names???:p

I suggest your wife take up training him.