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Old 27-12-2008, 22:35   #159
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socialisation ou danger??

moi je dirais oui socialisation a danger!!!!

tout le monde c'est que jai une chienne de cher margo ""ma glasya"" a moi....

quand je voit que lon site margo en exemple je ne peut m' empêcher d'intervenir..

quand jai u glasya 3 jours après on a commencer nos visites cher le véto..
verdict parvovirose + pneumopatie....
en 1 mois et demi ça ma couter plus cher que le prix de la chienne...

fabrice est un menteur car il mavait dit que son chiot a l'époque avais juste un rhume et maintenant c'est un vers au poumon ""quel évolution""..

fabrice ton chien avait la meme chose que glasya car il vient du meme endroit et en meme temps car les 2 on fait le voyage dans ta voiture et en plus tu disait quils avais prit un coup de froid a cause de la clim...MDR....

moi ma chienne a u plusieurs antibio avant de venir a bout de tout ça ,radios ,meme antibio par nebulasion 3 x jour enfermer dans une boite pendant 30 minutes..et pendant 15 jours ....

a oui c'est vrai la socialisation était top mais a quel prix.........
je me serais bien passer de toute cette merde...

et quand je parlais de tout ça a margo via skype pas de réponse ...
surement peur que je réclame de l'argent....

par contre quand je lui envoyais les résultats des expos la javais réponse..

rien a envier a se genre d'éleveur ..

si jai un point positif c'est merci davoir produit une aussi belle chienne ,pour tout le reste le merci est pour moi ,6 fois cher le véto en 1 mois et demi et 1000€ de dépenses..

alors aujourd'hui si GLASYA est la c'est grace a moi ,si elle est aussi primés c'est grace a moi ,et si elle a battue toutes les plus belles chiennes c'est grace a moi aussi et surtout pas grace au risque non mesurer de son éleveuse..

ceci est de l'amateuriste ..

et amener des chiots de 4 semaines en animalerie whaouuuu..quel incompétante en élevage canin....

et ensuite comparer ça a des bb humains ...
a oui on les voit ses bb humains trimbaler partout comme un joujou ,pleins de morve au nez qui leurs coule dans la bouche...

avant le permit a chien ils aurais du pondre le permit pour avoir le droit d'élever un enfant.....

tient martial ta liste de marchands de chiens s'agrandi au fil des prises de tetes avec les gens ....

enfin l'élevage de clt est réserver au gens qui on un cerveau et non une noix de beurre a la place....

a bientot pour la suite des aventures de wolfdog........

la passion l'emporte toujours """ MDR"""
Sorry stephjj but what you wrote is really not fair towards me... But I see Furyos is already informed about fairy tale "Glasya which almost died" so maybe it is good it has been mentioned on the forum and no more told behind my back... Because now I have at last the CHANCE to answer it....

So I start with the story of Glasya.
One of the French breeders contacted us that he is interested in a puppy from us. We asked about him in Poland and also French people and they said only good opinions about him. So we promised him a puppy from Jolly...
He came here, choosed one puppy (not the one we suggested him) and when it came to sign the contract the problems started... In our contract it is written it is NOT ALLOWED to re-sell our puppies and the dog can not change the owner without our knowledge... But he told me he will be co-owner of the dog and (even if I don't liked it because I don't like such "surprise") I agreed... My mistake... He took Glasya to his kennel and few days letter he sold her to you...

No, not you buyed Glasya from us but she was re-sold to you by an other breeder... You know I'm not angry on you but I mentioned it because it makes some things clear.... The whole story of reselling my puppy made me sick but it also caused that you never met me, you never saw how the dogs are living at my house, you didn't saw Glasya here and never saw the condition of other puppies... Also if you would pick up the puppy you would know what is written in the contact and not blame me "for being affraid about paying the costs"...
I'm not attacking you - we cleared it before, right. And you was the same victim in this case as we are. But because not you buyed the puppy from us you also don't know many things.. And now back to the point:

1) All the puppies which leave our home are already vaccinated. Usualy already two times.... And few times dewormed...

2) WE do not sell ill puppies... If I see a dog has cold or I have any doubts I keep the puppy here till I'm sure it is fully OK.
Sure there are cases when the dog get infected in the kennel but seem to be OK at the moment when the owner pick up the puppy and because of this we take the responsibility for such cases - we pay all veterinary costs when the dog gets ill within 72 hours after the dog leaves our home...

3) You wrote me some emails but none that Glasya has parvo. And I can believe in many things (I do not disown ANY responsibility) but not when I see with the time the stories about Glasya are more and more serious and more and more far away from the truth you wrote us in that time..
Parvo is very infectious virus and it is not possible to overlook it. The breeder who took Glasya from us stayed at our home not for few minuts (so it would be possible to "hide" diarrhea and that puppies are weak and apathetic). But for over one day. He saw nothing like this because there WAS nothing like this. And he really had enough time to see how the puppies are...
At this time we had two litters at home and if Glasya would have parvo she would not be the only infected puppy. But none of the puppies had it. I say more - so far (tfu, I don't want to put a jinx on it ) we never had a single case of parvo here and also no other similar serious diseases.

4) Please do not write we had no contact at that time because I was 'affraid' to contact you... We had contact pretty often and you know it and you know why... We exchanged emails because it was also about the pedigree - more people were involved because the breeder who re-sold the puppy cheated us and sold the puppy without our knowledge. And some people suggested us we should not send the pedigree because the rules of our contract were broken and we should pick up Glasya back...
If I would knew that you have problems which make you angry I would pick up her IMMEDIATELY and so finish your problems... If you would wrote it and I would knew something I would really do this. Expecially that there were so many people EXTREMLY interested in this litter that believe me I had not even single reason to palm a puppy off on somebody...

I know the problems with the pedigree made you angry and it is also the reason why you don't like me a lot.... But please do not write I didn't took the responsibility for the puppy. No, I would be the first HAPPY person when I will have Glasya back at that time. I was furious when I get information that someone is trading with one of our puppies. You are agry because of it and now it makes you happy to write some bad words about me. But the problems which made you so crazy (that we were thinking about taking her back, about to sending the pedigree since he was resold) are exactly the best denial for your words that we were too affraid to contact you...

The biggest problem was not me but the fact that you don't buyed the puppy directly from me but from the re-seller. Please do not blame me for this. But it also caused that you do not know me and the only contact we had was the quarrel about Glasya and the whole situation. Not nice begin but it was not my fault... I only made mistake by selling one puppy.
One thing makes me happy - I really had luck that it was the one and only such case...

On the other hand I can not be extremly angry about the French breeder which buyed the puppy from us... He imported several dogs to France from Slovakia, Czech Republic, aso... and it is not his fault that he get used to the situation that some breeders care only about selling the puppies. That it is normal that when you take more puppies you get "discount" or then you buy 2 puppies you take the third puppy for free as bonus. And that they will also sell you their own mother if you will pay enough... It is not his problem that he had contact only with such breeders and though ALL breeders are like this.
And he was shocked that he must sign a contact. But for us it was NORMAL that ALL puppies are sold with contracts and it is forbidden to resell the puppies - that's the reality here. And that's normal by all breeders we know here... The problem was the French breeder had contact only with breeders from this part of Europe which are also here known as producers... But also here such style of breeding is not NORMAL... He just didn't knew it...
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