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Old 18-03-2012, 17:53   #121
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you can proceed to the dark color of wolf dog



http://www.wolfdog.org/site/fr/dbase/d/9634




Namtar z Peronówki

and






http://www.wolfdog.org/site/fr/dbase/d/15715

but we never said that in these marriages there was rewetting ..........
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Old 18-03-2012, 18:03   #122
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and again in france .....



http://www.wolfdog.org/site/fr/dbase/d/6299

is not "louve blanche" but is very CWD .............
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Of Course! It is not desirable to have shy dogs! But today we find many more shy dogs rather than brave unfortunately!
The breed was created by crossing a Wolf and a German Shepherd ... Consequently, at the beginning we couldn't expect brave dogs! We change the nature over the years and we're still doing ... But I repeat, there are now many more shy dogs!
Maybe in the future they will all be brave!
If your country has a problem with a majority of shy dogs then I encourage more breeders in your country to breed from dogs with correct temperament. There won't magically be more dogs with correct temperaments in the future if everyone breeds from shy dogs. It's common sense. ..
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What is not true Michael?
I know a lot of Csw and many more of this are shy...
In their home are good but in expo or at the street are so shy... This is not god it't true! But is really!

For example ... The attack on the sleeve. I'm not an expert in this field but a friend explained to me that the dog must enter for the first time in a "field" and when person come out the dog should attack or otherwise not show signs of fear. Most people train the dog to do this action. This doesn't make the brave dog, but you get used to do and train a specific action.

The Czechoslovakian wolfdog isn't born brave, not usually ...
We will train you to be!
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Old 18-03-2012, 18:34   #125
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What is not true Michael?
I know a lot of Csw and many more of this are shy...
In their home are good but in expo or at the street are so shy... This is not god it't true! But is really!
It´s me, Ina not Michael.
I know CSW since 1997 and I know several hundreds of them in different countries.
You don´t almost see any genetically shy dog nowadays in Slovakia, the Czech Republic, Germany, Poland. I have seen dogs from France and Italy and Belgium all of them not shy.
In the past it was very funny that the same lines weren´t shy in the countries of origin but in Germany. It was simply the owners fault. We changed a lot of things, we talked to people and nowadays even normal judges that have seen the breed from it´s beginning in Germany come to us and tell us that there has been an enormous improvement.
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For example ... The attack on the sleeve. I'm not an expert in this field but a friend explained to me that the dog must enter for the first time in a "field" and when person come out the dog should attack or otherwise not show signs of fear. Most people train the dog to do this action. This doesn't make the brave dog, but you get used to do and train a specific action.

The Czechoslovakian wolfdog isn't born brave, not usually ...
We will train you to be!
This doesn´t seem to be a person with much knowledge of normal dog behaviour or training. And braveness could be called stupidity in that behalf.
If you see so many shy dogs in your place you should go to other places and look how the dogs of the same origin behave there. If they behave different it´s a problem of people not dogs.
And if you see Wolfcrosses and Saarloos as no problem in this breed because they are soooo beautifull then I can tell you that those animals are extremely often genetically shy and their offspring is quite likely to become shy. This is one of the main reasons why people want the dogs out of illegal crossings banned out of the breed. They destroy their working ability and charakter.
And they give a totally wrong impression of the breed and attrack people that are getting CSW for their wolfish looks and see this kind of charakter as normal for this breed. It is not!

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Old 18-03-2012, 19:23   #126
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Of Course! It is not desirable to have shy dogs! But today we find many more shy dogs rather than brave unfortunately!
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Ina is right! I know lots of normal, well socialized vlcaks that aren't shy at all, and just a couple shy ones.

Your vision of the breed must be really seriously destorted if you make a statement like this! Such claims only confirm that something is wrong with breeding, training, selection... Haven't you read the breed standard?


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If you see so many shy dogs in your place you should go to other places and look how the dogs of the same origin behave there.
Agree 100%!

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...how the dogs of the same origin behave there. If they behave different it´s a problem of people not dogs.
Well, it might also be a problem of dogs... if the origin is the same only on paper, it wouldn't work...
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Well, it might also be a problem of dogs... if the origin is the same only on paper, it wouldn't work...
But would be another proof.

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Old 18-03-2012, 19:38   #128
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Hy Jessica ,
you remember Juri, last year - in Italy?,
that's normal Standard...!
You remember what you tell me, Juri a very open dog - this is normal-Standard!


We see us soon

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Old 18-03-2012, 19:43   #129
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I read only now ...






I do not understand where you see the Saarloosm or American wd!!!
In next time when we meet I will give you a glasses, because you have problem with a eyes
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What is not true Michael?
I know a lot of Csw and many more of this are shy...
In their home are good but in expo or at the street are so shy... This is not god it't true! But is really!
and? you want say this is NORMAL and typical? and this animals mas go to breed and we all mas say oh they have a wolf blood and mas be shy? SORRY but NOT.

read this:
BEHAVIOUR / TEMPERAMENT:
Lively, very active, capable of endurance, docile with quick reactions. Fearless and courageous. Suspicious. Shows tremendous loyalty towards his master. Resistant to weather conditions. Versatile in his uses.
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I have seen a lot of extremely shy dogs in Poland, Germany and Slovakia. Also shy in 2-3 generations. And I see shyness is no problem even for well known and reputable breeders
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Hy Jessica ,
you remember Juri, last year - in Italy?,
that's normal Standard...!
You remember what you tell me, Juri a very open dog - this is normal-Standard!
We see us soon
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YES, Juri is TYPICAL normal dog with typical behavior-with this behavior who have now almost all CSW who I saw in Germany, Poland, Slovak, Rusia, Lithuania, Czech Republic.
When, example, people want buy a CSW in Lithuania they first want a THIS behavior, when I not meet a people who want a wolfish but shy dog, they want this behavior who are in standart, later is important animal who is a similar to wolf, but not like a wolf, only similar.
Why I speak about this- If you friends want a breed a wolf- mix - OK make this, only WHY this animals mas have a falsh pedigree, why not can breed this like a American wolfdogs- without pedigrees, this AW have a fans and have a clients who want buy this. Why mas fals pedigree and sale this poore animals like pure CSW with standart anatomy and behavior when they this NOT HAVE? from what you and friends want a CSW pedigree?
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I must 100% agree with Daiva. When someone likes mixes of csw and wolves, OK, do it, sell it, but WHY do you made false pedigrees and want to insert them into our breed? There is nothing standard on this dogs... and everyone who has eyes can see it too. SURE, they are just beautiful, but not standard csw!
produce your mixes, sell them, but do it openly and do not say, they are csw...
and one thing... is it SUCH A BIG problem, to make DNA tests? is it realy such a problem? to proof, that all of the breeders and owners are mistaken, and those dogs are realy CSW? you made something such beautiful without any wolfblood, you made a great thing, a thing that no one else can do with his dogs, not in Slovakia, not in Czech, Poland, Germany,... so why can you show us, that your breeding is the best? if its realy pure CSW, then I want your pupps!!! realy! because such exterior must be saved!
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Ariminium, you have no idea about what you're talking and also you should have problems in your eyes.
All the dogs you posted have the typical marks expected of a CzW, different of the only dark coated de la louve blanche dogs.


The Shepherd like dog by Les Plaines de L'est is a linebreeding done in very shepherd like Czech dog, it is atypical animal but yet with features you could expect to pop in the breed.
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Why mas fals pedigree and sale this poore animals like pure CSW with standart anatomy and behavior when they this NOT HAVE?
Good question Daiva,
I think a many, too - WHY,

I have many points - why...make - bad breeders - a falce pedigree...
I think
champonats FCI, Shows and much more..........is a big point important for many people.
AWH is only mix in europe!
this
"""BEHAVIOUR / TEMPERAMENT:
Lively, very active, capable of endurance, docile with quick reactions. Fearless and courageous. Suspicious. Shows tremendous loyalty towards his master. Resistant to weather conditions. Versatile in his uses."""
this is very good for shy dogs-for mix-make the dogs better)))
health, etc. ..

and many points more

but my english not good - to write here, sorry.



best regards mariana
we must fight for transparenz...
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Yes Mariana Juri is pefect! I know! With gooood carachter! But you remember how many dogs had the tail between the legs?
This is not to say that dogs are shy, maybe I explained evil ... I mean that the majority, in those situations, they are not comfortable! Everything here!
And anyway, I bought the dogs just to make money ... And given the time now in Italy hope to make many! Ahahahahaha

Wolfin... We will meet soon if you come in Italy Saturday ... Appearance glasses!
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Und überhaupt, kaufte ich mir die Hunde nur um Geld zu verdiene
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Old 18-03-2012, 20:59   #138
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Yes Paula, Fragon is very good example too ....

Arriminium, you tell very well know the race, OK, made to understand us where from comes this type??? I'm curious

Please, a little seriousness....

see, other dark color, you give example, I hlep you, other example :








you make him express or you still understand nothing ????

Really, ok, your female is nice, Demoniak is nice, Gunner too .... I'm sincere, but they are nice animal, not nice real CSW ....
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Hy jessica,
I saw some "hybrid"-"mix" with a lot of fear, shy.
could not only talk-very silence-normal for fear,shy!
only in this situation-but only on show-not more.

big eys (pupil) - and a lot of water in the mouth!
But I also saw a lot of good-dogspeak, good kommunikation - and much more..!

but this is not only a problem in italy-this is a problem in europe with this mix..us problems-and the dog problem, too.!
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Old 18-03-2012, 21:19   #140
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you actually read YOUR dogs are quiet, obedient, they are never afraid of anything, but we never see a ring ........
you had better stay in the German Shepherd ... there at least there is no mixes, no suspicions, the dogs are all healthy ....
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