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I just wonder if there are any recommended maximum number of offspring’s ???
When looking at the planned litters, I noticed that the same dogs shows up on almost every pedigree, whit in the first 4 generation !!! For example Omar z Krotkovského dvora CS whit his 95 offspring’s… I must say I am no expert on genetic, but to me it looks like some breeders are creating a very narrow genepool, fore future generation of breeders to use. Personally I think 20-25 offspring’s sounds like a good and healthy number of offspring’s, and maximum 30-35. And I ask my self if breeders that take over 50 offspring’s really are interested of breeding, or if it is just about the money ??? Sad regards / Mikael
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The CsV breed´s death list ?
Numbers of offsprings 10 topplist on CsV born after year 2000.
47 offsprings 2002.12.31 Baron spod Ïumbiera 48 offsprings 2001.12.03 Batt Malý Bysterec 54 offsprings 2004.01.31 Merlin Crying Wolf 51 offsprings 2000.10.06 Rendy ---Passo del Lupo--- 55 offsprings 2001.12.04 Edgar Passo del Lupo 60 offsprings 2004.11.11 Vaicko Passo del Lupo 73 offsprings 2003.04.18 Timber Wolf Arimminum 82 offsprings 2002.10.15 Duncan ---Colle del Lupo--- 135 offsprings 2001.04.12 Cutt ---dell'Irco Sortiere--- 151 offsprings 2002.10.03 Miky Passo del Lupo Very sad regards / Mikael
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and who You see problem. I like breeder see problemin this offspring- to small % be dogs to breed.
and when good dogs have big offspring is good, moore problem make this same litter with this same dog x bitch. And who is make breed linie? cann me say who this make? |
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CsV breed in need !!!
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But when you breed this much on one specific individual it will be hard to find unrelated breeding partners in the future… As my example whit Omar z Krotkovského dvora CS already shows... It does not matter if the dog is healthy or not, it is an unhealthy breedplan !!! I also have become informed of this… Quote:
Apperantley the UK understands this already how about you and your contry ??? Regards / Mikael
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You cann breed in 2 ways:
one is planed linie breeding. in this way stay all breeds and best dogs and breed 2 dogs who you have and not see in pedigree- this be not breeding but only sexturistik. and in this case maybe you have good dogs, maybe not, and not make breed breder only puppies make. I think You understand who is me way, and who have others breed way. |
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I talk about breeders that do over 50 offsprings on some of there dogs !!! and that is not healthy for the breed !!! I think you know what I mean Regads / Mikael
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And litters whit a COI on 25% or more on 5 generations I am but glad that you se HD as a problem... Regards / Mikael
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J. Gubbels - GENETIC MANAGEMENT OF DOG BREED POPULATIONS (2002) : http://www.gencouns.nl/artikelen/200...Management.pdf
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16-12-2008, 18:17 | #12 |
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You are playing words now. I just say, that not all the puppies of same stud are used in breeding, so it is good if a good stud has a lot of children. Inbreeding is for professionals, there is no need for you or me to use it in breeding.
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You will find again study case of over stud dog use ("The Price of Popularity"), but other articles that breeders should all read. |
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Read Elf´s link and get back to me about the proffessional part
I think the problem might be that future breeders will have no choice, if the population of CsV are totaly inbreed already when they start Regards / Mikael
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Calm down Mikael, I thought you Swedes have more sort of an iceberg character . Anyway, the mentioned above about the UK is not correct. The whole breeding so far is based on one bitch (Lynx Legend). WOLFZONE-Kennel even does a repeating of the first litter (Titan X Princesse). The other litters from PACINO-Kennel are from Princesse's full sister and her mother Lynx Legend. Regards, Michael |
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But it did sounds good on paper, the UK plans Regards / Mikael
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Would be nice if this post goes to: "what are the breeding rules, a (new?) breeder, should follow -regarding the situation from now 2008- in the CsV breed ?
About stud dog max offsprings ? About repeating mating ? Yes, no, how many max times, under which conditions ? HD pedigree rules ? COI, should be less than X% ? Or more allowed if condition Y ... ... What are the thoughts of the (old ?) wise around here ? |
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Somehow it doesn't seem to be SUCH a problem in our breed Not that hard to find a stud, which is not closely related with your female. |
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PLEASE, Read Elf´s link and get back to me about the proffessional part And maby then you will se this all as a problem ??? Best regards / Mikael
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16-12-2008, 19:13 | #20 |
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Mikael, in who ways you breed in future- I think You have problem- all dogs have this same blood.
I read and who? normal articul, I have others but not in english and in hes dr.vet or genetic say others info. and who say true in this case? |
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