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Old 10-01-2007, 20:47   #1
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Do you remember Highlandwolf?

It seems he managed to put his ideas into practice - there were two addresses of UK based breeders put on Dogsey Forum yesterday.

Ther first one is Paul's - Congratulations, Paul! The puppies are gorgeous!!!
http://ukwolfdogs.com/first.html

and the other - of Highlandwolf
and www.hebrideanwolfdogs.com,

Just out of curiosity, does anyone know who sold him the CSV pup? The following fragment appears especially awkward:

The wolfdog is not a specialised dog but in fact very versatile due to its highly tuned nature. It should not be owned by anyone (in my own opinion) with small children, pets etc. However if you are to consider owning a wolfdog as a pet it would be useful to be able to answer 'YES' to the following questions...

* Do you love wolves?
* Do you have another dog?
* Do you live in the countryside?
* Is your home free of small children?
* Can you walk 2/3 miles a day, rain, hail or shine?
* Do you have a brick kennel with a big run?
* Are you patient and persistant?


If you can answer 'Yes' to all the questions above, you would be suitable as a wolfdog owner. Otherwise I would think twice. The reasons are as follows...

A companion dog for your wolfdog is essential, you will need to leave him alone from time to time, and unless you have another dog as a companion for him you WILL come home to a destroyed home, trust me! If you live in the City, Forget a wolfdog for now unless you can keep up with the demanding excersice needed for him (and also keep him away from children, cats, smaller dogs etc). A brick kennel is also a must in my opinon, Wooden kennels WILL be chewed through, as will rope/leads if he is tied (they can bite twice as hard as a German Shepard, so trust me this doesn't take long). A good long chain is also quite essential for those times when you need the house as a 'people only' place. Oh yes one other thing, They WILL run away if given half a chance, and kill other animals for that matter, so a chain lead is a must. Please consider these reccomendations, as they will hopefully help you decide whether or not a wolfdog is for you...


Guys, are your kids, cats and other small animals still alive, of have they been devoured by your CSVs?

In the links section he put that wolfdog.org is among
Other UK based Wolfdog Sites


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Old 10-01-2007, 20:50   #2
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Here is the active link:

www.hebrideanwolfdogs.com
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Old 10-01-2007, 23:09   #3
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I have no idea what to say, words escape me completely...


Im sure bringing more illegle breeds into the country is really going to help with the media currently on a dangerous dog witch hunt.


And can czechoslovakian wolfdogs honestly bite twice as hard as a german shepherd... has this guy even been on the recieving end of a german shepherd when its going!!!? Do they have some phenominal super power build up in their muscles that can do this? haha... I wonder how he got that information.

This whole site seems ignorant to me. Completely ignorant, I have researched this breed long and hard for 5 years and I dont feel knowledgeable enough to own one yet! So god knows!

I wonder what Paul thinks of this.
(I wonder how the pups are doing also!)



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Old 10-01-2007, 23:36   #4
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Poor Paul, he make one work, Higlandwolf destroy this work...

And tamaskan are wolfdogs...

Great start of new year
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Old 11-01-2007, 02:14   #5
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I think it is the same man with who I was corresponding for a long time. And I did give him also a lot of info about the breed. (not all the unbelievable info that you can read on his site now!)

But I never did not want to sell him a puppy before I did meet him. I did invite him several times to come over, and we did make appointments for this. But he never did come... So I did refuse to sell a puppy to him.
So I am also very curious who did sell him a CsW puppy.

.......has, because of his occupation, a license of Defra for wild animals. But it is a pity that he uses it for this

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If the author of Welcome to Hebrideanwolfdog.com webpage wants to keep dogs like prisoners and make strange experiments with various wolf crosses disregarding the dogs wellness and at the same time ruining the Czechoslovakian Wolfdog breed, especially the dogs’ mental stability and predictability which the breeders managed to obtain over the years, I strongly protest against his using a stolen photograph of my dog - Cheitan z Peronowki to advertise such a suspicious enterprise.



Cheitan is a typical representative of CSV breed and will be used only for reliable and fair breeding. I consider such behaviour as the above most unethical and unfair.


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(By the way - I live in a flat in the center of the capital city, keep my dog neither chained nor in a brick kennel, and believe me or not - he does not demolish my home)
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Old 12-01-2007, 00:19   #7
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^ To not ask permission for use of the photo to me is blatent disreguard. Not only to your own property but for copywrite law, If I were you I would demand that It be taken down.
He has no permission and no right to use that photo.

And maybe he doesnt realise just BECAUSE its a wolfdog it means it will run after and kill animals.
Ive seen greyhounds and other dogs hunt and kill yorkshire terriers and other such small companian breeds. My friend has JRT's that have 5 generations of pet ownership - yet the dog has no qualms of shaking any small furry animal to death as soon as seeing it.

http://www.hebrideanwolfdogs.com/

HAVE YOU SEEN THOSE COMMENTS!!!!

what a bunch of utter weirdos, some of them are jokes but the real ones...

to compare the hunting of wolves to the holocaust is a bit beyond me and sicking... complete disregaurd.
These people are NOT pro animal... they are anti human
God knows where this site has been advertised...
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Old 12-01-2007, 13:23   #8
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Guys, are your kids, cats and other small animals still alive, of have they been devoured by your CSVs?
Well... My young iguana and a couple of cockatiels (parrots) didn't pass the natural selection test and were eaten by my CsV while she was only 6 months...
Despite this, she is a perfect dog for living in a very small flat in the middle of Vilnius (capital of Lithuania).

Does this guy owe a shikoku dog? I am sure the breeders from the USA would be very interested in hearing about his plans...
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Old 13-01-2007, 01:44   #9
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HighlandWolf has reformulated his site now: removed Cheitan's photo, his CSV pup has been turned just into a mere "wolfdog" and a distinction between high percentage wolf wolfdogs and Czech wolfdogs has been made clear. The page looks much more decent now...

There is some hope that maybe those wild animals lovers will not associate Czech wolfodgs with CSVs and will leave the breed alone
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yes, looks much more decent, and put out CzW and SwH of the "assassin uncontrolable list", now alone the hibrids F1 are the "demons"
"Oh yes one other thing, an F1 cross WILL run away if given half a chance, and kill other animals for that matter, due to their high prey drive, at times a chain lead is a must. "

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They certainly will!
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We set up ScottishWolf-dogs in 2005 with our 2 wolfdog puppies FOR SALE, a male Czech Wolfdog called Kane (*WHO IS FOR SALE* due to pressure from UK breeder),
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They certainly will!
Yes, they will. But CSV wolfdogs rather won't, especially if they're well socialised by responsible breeders and carefully brought up and trained by wise owners who care not only for their dogs but also for the breed itself.

The methodical selection process in the Czechoslovakian military kennel in the 50-60 ties led to deaths of many dogs and pups. Though the present CSVs owners have nothing to do with it - it would be most irresponsible and absurd to ruin or let others ruin the breed now, when it has become more and more stable both in terms of dogs' looks and character. The great amount of suffering that occured at PS kennel would be totally wasted

Especially that so many people in so many countries put so much time, hard work, genuine enthusiasm and goodwill to keep improving the breeding base by breeding healthy, beautiful dogs of stable character which do not have to be kept prisoners, but are rather loyal family members.
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Yes this fello had also stolen 3 photographs from my website and claimed that they were his own.
Does he actually own a CWD, I mean to begin with he had a Tamaskan and then it was a Tamaskan Wolfdog and now its just a Wolfdog, maybe his other dog is just a nice looking Utonagan or NI and not a CWD at all????
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I had brief email contact with this guy. I don't have an opinion because I don't know them but so far I do feel uneasy. My reasons are that when I first saw the site his two pups were, 1 Tamaskan and 1 Czechoslovakian Wolfdog. I replied to an email saying I hope you don't find this question patronising and are able to put my mind at rest but you don't plan on breeding the two together do you. I made a comment like it would be a great shame for the Czechoslovakian Wolfdog to be cross bred here before they are even a breed here in the UK - a bit like ruining everything before a start has even been made. I would have been really pleased to get a informative response back saying they agreed and had no plans to cross the two but I never heard back

I'm not saying that these people will be crossing but they didn't take the opportunity to confirm they would not be.

Also I am uncomfortable that they have a 'donations' page where you can donate if you believe certain animals should be reintroduced to the Scottish Highlands - which is great, but it says nothing of their involvement in this project and gives no details of funding and what people will be donating towards in direct relation to these people.

It's a shame because on one hand it look very professional in the visual sense but sadly very lacking with words.

I've no doubt they love their dogs but I don't believe they want what is best for the Czechoslovakian Wolfdog as a breed at this time.

I would like to also know where they acquired the pup and if the breeder knows of the possibility of cross breeding it if indeed that is to be the case. If however they mean well and do not plan on crossing their dogs I wish them all the best.
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Hi,

I had brief email contact with this guy. I don't have an opinion because I don't know them but so far I do feel uneasy. My reasons are that when I first saw the site his two pups were, 1 Tamaskan and 1 Czechoslovakian Wolfdog. I replied to an email saying I hope you don't find this question patronising and are able to put my mind at rest but you don't plan on breeding the two together do you. I made a comment like it would be a great shame for the Czechoslovakian Wolfdog to be cross bred here before they are even a breed here in the UK - a bit like ruining everything before a start has even been made. I would have been really pleased to get a informative response back saying they agreed and had no plans to cross the two but I never heard back

I'm not saying that these people will be crossing but they didn't take the opportunity to confirm they would not be.

Also I am uncomfortable that they have a 'donations' page where you can donate if you believe certain animals should be reintroduced to the Scottish Highlands - which is great, but it says nothing of their involvement in this project and gives no details of funding and what people will be donating towards in direct relation to these people.

It's a shame because on one hand it look very professional in the visual sense but sadly very lacking with words.

I've no doubt they love their dogs but I don't believe they want what is best for the Czechoslovakian Wolfdog as a breed at this time.

I would like to also know where they acquired the pup and if the breeder knows of the possibility of cross breeding it if indeed that is to be the case. If however they mean well and do not plan on crossing their dogs I wish them all the best.
I just wanted to add if the dogs are crossed it wont be the first time it has happened in the UK unfortunatly which does worry me a bit regarding the breed's best interests.
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I see the biggest problem in the fact, that on the page "Hebridean wolfdogs" you actually have no mentioning of the origin of the two wolfdogs - Kodi and Kane. I do know they are Czechoslovakian wolfdogs and I do have my idea, from where did they came.

However, my point is, that this website not only mentions the origin of the dogs, but also throws them into one bag with wolf-dogs, that are of uncertain origin and came up simply from crossing wolves and dogs without any goal and plan. Also the links to the books about wolfdogs are rather scary, because for example the book "Living with wolfdogs" by Nicole Wilde is THE BOOK, that was partly a reason why Czechoslovakian wolfdogs were banned from UK.

Considering the above mentioned, maybe it is better that the owner of Kodi and Kane does not mention the fact, that they are pedigree CSW. It would be very bad for the breed to be put in the same bag with so called wolf-dogs (wolf crosses in fact). My personal opinion though is, that the owner of Kodi and Kane does not mention it simply because it sounds more interesting, to speak about "wolfdogs" than about Czechoslovakian wolfdogs aka working breed.

I only wish people get some brain finally and cases like this were really really rare.
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