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06-10-2011, 23:59 | #81 |
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*gg* which Gaelic dialect do you prefer: irish, scotish, or welsh?
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Maybe I then can ask all the CsW dwarf owners for permission to publish Sorry just a joke! I know owners who did not want to harm the breeder (because he/she is a good one and did have bad luck with the combination) And that was the only reason these owners did not want to share the test info. Also there are owners with "probably dwarfs" , but I'll never publish this without official test results. This all is for me a very complicated matter...... Because: I know some people or clubs in several countries still deny dwarfism is an issue in the breed....... I know there are more CsW's carrier of this mutation then were ever published..... I know breeders who have (proven) carriers breed with no tested dogs..... So sometimes I become very sad about this all...........
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07-10-2011, 08:41 | #84 |
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Na českém foru běží diskuze o DM, koukněte tam. Tady by nás brzy všichni sežrali (za češtinu).
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The x-ray evaluation is subjective. It depends on the vet who makes it. Additionally dysplasia is polygenetic (+ environmental influence) - nobody can say which genes the dog have - nobody test it. So the HD-results of the children say NOTHING (or better said "almost nothing) about the HD-results of the children. DM and dwarf is something else - a DM/DM dog has its genes not from the air, not thank to the butterlies or bees but "thanks" to the mother and father. Both are DM carriers. The same with N/N results. Sure people make mistakes - but people work also at the official laboratories. Sure the breeders cheat - but we have presumption of innocence: the majority of the breeders breed according to the rules. The rest - especially the DM test - the "unofficial" can show some cheatings. Quote:
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Sorry but is it not about ACCREDITATION. Yes - the laboratories must have accreditation and must be "responsible" for it. But the are not responsible for HUMAN MISTAKES. If human make mistake you will get "false" results by the puppies. What will do the laboratory? It will NOT loose the accreditation - maybe they will fire the worker who made the mistake. What you and the puppies will reach? NOTHING. But it is as Daniela and Rona wrote: it is easy to verify the results - it is easy to find out the cheatings and also the mistakes done (also by the official laboratories). But again - the results basing on the parents and offsprings are not marked "Done by the laboratory Wolfdog" but as "unofficial". You can accept it...or not. Free will. For the breeding it has ONLY good influence. |
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Apologies for writing in Czech in the English forum a bit naughty I know, I'm from Scotland but ashamed to say that my Czech is much better than my Gaelic .
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E.g.if the pups owners of certian litter test their dogs, openly publish the results and in that litter the results are n/n, n/dm, dm/dm it is clear that both parents must be n/dm. So it does not matter if the parents' owner publish the results or not - they just become "visible" Should DWARF test be cheaper and thus more available and common - the effect would be the same - impossiblity of hiding the results by breeders, (unlike in the case of HD or ED) Thanks to Daniela's project DM result is no longer a taboo, but becomes a "public" issue. For me struggling for the secrecy of the DM results is ... suspicious. If somebody claims he breeds transparently he should not try to hide them, even if they are unofficial (provided this is clearly stated!) |
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the basic difference between HD, ED and DM:
For dysplasia - we assess (select) phenotype For degenerative myelopathy - we assess (select) genotype |
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a scotts-man... great
tapadh leidh, cuideachd sidh! hm...das ist reflexiv, oder?
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I've got some details, 15/10 club meeting & bonitations in Frýdlant nad Ostravicí & 22/10 bonitations in Roudnice nad Labem (I will go there), I think they may be the last 2 dates for "free" tests judging by what has been written in the Czech forum on DM, I'll ask Daniela to clarify though.
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PS Daniela, could you tell us when the stage of gathering samples for the DM study closes? While talking with people I've got the impression many think it'll be open forever, but it doesn't make any sense to me ... Last edited by Rona; 07-10-2011 at 14:09. Reason: PS |
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Yes, but withim the research degenerative myelopathy, tests are free. We are not a commercial lab, not expose certificate. |
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Still accept samples of foreign dogs.
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"Look not a gift horse in the mouth."
Seriously: we're very pleased with what you've offered the vlcak community worldwide |
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So apologies, I was reading the Czech pages as well as the English & mis-interpreted a post from Daniela where she was trying to encourage more Czech owners to have their dogs tested too & not just foreign owners. I didn't want to "invite" everyone to these events without first checking with Daniela first, that's all.
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