test de caractere

[freewild]

Originally Posted by shakespeare

Ben en entrant, vous savez que vous êtes au MacDo, vous connaissez le menu, et vous avez choisi avant d'arriver au guichet et de faire HEU... Note: excellent

avec cet exemple la je pense que l'on peut comprendre

mais dans tout les cas beaucoup de personne ont fait la démarche de demandé comment cela se passe et on a expliqu" de long en large

il y a des personnes qui sont presente au CBEI qui font partie de la commission et donc peuvent apporter des infos

sur internet ; sur les forums et dans les instances officiels il y a ses infos la donc il faut vraiment ne pas vouloir pour ne pas s'informer !!

[plume]

Désolé, MAC DO C'est pas un restaurant , mauvais exemple...

[shakespeare]

C'est quoi, un magasin de chaussures? Un salon de coiffure? Un bureau de poste?

Restauration rapide = restauration = restaurant.

J'aurais pourtant tout fait pour être comprise, mais quand on veut pas...

[plume]

Mais je te comprends et je suis d'accord, jel'ai déjà écrit... juste toléré des des gens soient surpris, et qu'il peut y en avoir qui ne savaient pas.... c'est tout..
heuuu je mange pas de mac do non plus désolé, mais c pas grave j'accepte de d'autres le fasse

[Margo]

Originally Posted by plume

Oui c'est exactement ce que je pensais.. il ne faut pas perdre de vue que ces tests de bonitation ont été fait dans des pays ou le CLT est autorisé au mordant les chiens sont donc travaillés adns ce sens.. je pense qu'il faut soit modifier ces tests, soit autoriser le mordant pour nos CLT Français.. c'est juste une question de bon sens.

For sure it is really a BAD idea....

1) CzW is a WORKING breed. Breed which should STABLE character. If someone do not agree with it... it is free to buy... a Saarloos where shyness is allowed (and even asked)

2) The bonitation test is not about the attack but about checking how the dog will behave under stress...
For sure you saw what happend during the shooting in the main ring during the Nationale D'Elevage. Some dogs were totally under shock. Such dogs are not only useless for work and training. I CAN NOT IMAGINE to go with such dogs to the CITY. I can not imagine to travel with them by train or by bus. Because such "wild" animals are dangerous for people and also themself. There are MANY CzW killed by trains and cars because they run away because something scared them. Also most dogs which bite do this because they are affraid....
NO - SHY and unstable dogs are THE LAST thing you need in a society like you have in France...

3) You don't need a special character test for France becuase to be honest the rules are already changed and we take in to consideration that many people outside Slovakia and Czech Republic do (almost) nothing with the dogs and many of them are shy not because of the genes but because of the missing socialization. Because of it dogs in Western Europe are judged MUCH milder...

Here you have the results from Friday:
http://www.wolfdog.org/fra/bonitations/161.html
I must tell you that in Czech Republic only 2 dogs of the bonitated one would pass the character test with the perfect character code: Beny and U'Apache. The rest would have huge problems...
But as I wrote - we tried to find out the real character of the dogs even if they didn't behavied "according the rules"

[Margo]

Originally Posted by plume

donc, il faut informer les propriétaires de chiens du contenu du test, pourquoi ce n'est pas fait ? dommage..
Pour des chiens non entrainés il y a toujours un risque, les propriétaires de chiens, s'ils ne sont pas préparés devraient connaître le contenu de ce test, quitte à ne pas s'inscrire

If the dog is socialized properly and have the right genetics you do not need ANY preparation... The dog will behave normal, without fear.

We tested already some dogs from West Europe which were not trained but had good and friendly character and the typical reaction for the decoy attack was.... invitation for playing... No shyness, no shock - just curiosity....


And it is really not about the bonitation... It is about daily life....
Do you "prepare" you dog for PAIN? For being hurt? In such situations you can see that there is the correlation between the character test and behaviour of the dog....
Stable dogs, which pass the bonitation without any problems when they get hurt (for example wounded because an accident) allow the owner to help them...
Dogs which have HUGE problems with the bonitation, can not deal with stress have in such situations the tendency to bite all around and everyone.... And we have already cases when the dogs was hurt (on the summer camp) and we had to help the dog and ALSO the owner who was seriously bitten by his OWN DOG... (the dog was in shock even of he was hurt REALLY SOFTLY - slited paw)

[marik]

Originally Posted by plume

Désolé, MAC DO C'est pas un restaurant , mauvais exemple...