CzW needs and characteristics - Page 2

Vaiva · 17-02-2011, 19:46

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Originally Posted by yukidomari

The other day I was at the dog-park and a lady asked me what kind of dog our CsV is, and what they were bred for?

I told her they were originally bred by the CS border patrol and she immediately said, "Those dogs are vicious".

Then she said, "Oh, but of course not YOUR dog.... he is nice.."

Well, I can understand her.. If she is from the former USSR... Czechoslovakia was also a communist country, so... Or survived nazis...
There is nothing glorious about the history of our breed. The people trying to escape former Czechoslovakia mostly weren't smuglers or criminals... I do not want to insult the creators of the breed, but at least in Lithuania there is nothing glorious about being a comunist army officer

Yesterday we were celebrating Lithuania's Independence Day (1918 year). When my grandpa (mother's father) was 16, in allready occupied Lithuania, some of his classmates on February 16th rised a Lithuanian flag in their class - all the classmates were takes to Siberia. My grandpa doesn't speak a lot about it, I just know, that on his eighteenth birthday he was too weak to stand up from his so called "bed" - and I am sure they were also protected by dogs. My fathers mother was one of the 9 children - only 3 of them left after the partisan war, and dogs were not on the side of partisans

Some time ago and old man in street said he knows similar dogs (I was with Brukne) - he was a 10 years old jewish boy, trying to "run away" (didn't ask from who, but we can all understand it), the dogs were told to catch him, but did not touch a child...
So her reaction is not strange at all...

saschia · 17-02-2011, 20:00

Vaiva - yes, that's true, but that was not the breed, that were dogs, and the reason for the dogs to be like that were people. It's always the people in the end, whether the dog kills refugees, or bites a child on the patio.

I can understand no love for patrol dogs, or dog in general, if someone has bad experience.

But I really hate when people generalize to whole CSW population some random facts acquired from third-party experience on the first F generations.

And it is always breed character that is important for our relationship with that breed, not breed history. And even bad history can bring good character. I mean in wolfdogs we've got just what we like, although we might not like the first purpose.

yukidomari · 17-02-2011, 20:15

Vaiva - Thanks for explaining your experience!

I too agree with Saschia that breeds are created to operate under human direction for human purposes and agendas, though, and especially of border patrol dogs, they are/were trained to react in specific manners that respond to their human handler's wishes.

But I can definitely understand the bad association

especially if a person has been exposed to that kind of trauma.

Vaiva · 17-02-2011, 20:52

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Originally Posted by saschia

Vaiva - yes, that's true, but that was not the breed, that were dogs, and the reason for the dogs to be like that were people. It's always the people in the end, whether the dog kills refugees, or bites a child on the patio.

Sure

But as Yukidomari wrote - I simply explained why people react negatively to the fact the dogs were used for military purposes in comunist countries

saschia · 17-02-2011, 21:22

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Originally Posted by Vaiva

Sure

But as Yukidomari wrote - I simply explained why people react negatively to the fact the dogs were used for military purposes in comunist countries

That, I don't dispute at all.

Rona · 18-02-2011, 09:17

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Originally Posted by yukidomari

The other day I was at the dog-park and a lady asked me what kind of dog our CsV is, and what they were bred for?

I told her they were originally bred by the CS border patrol and she immediately said, "Those dogs are vicious".

Then she said, "Oh, but of course not YOUR dog.... he is nice.."

Funny; last year my husband's colleague from the Czech Rep. on seeing we have a vlcak commented: 'Oh, I see you have the unsuccessful result of the Czechoslovakian Army experiment!'
'Why unsuccessful?!' I protested.
'Well, they were designed to be blind "tracking/attacing machines" but in the end turned into loyal family dogs with their own brains'

Mikael · 19-02-2011, 23:10

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Originally Posted by Rona

'Well, they were designed to be blind "tracking/attacing machines" but in the end turned into loyal family dogs with their own brains'

If that is how it is, I´m so so happy that the Czechoslovakian Army did fail

Best regards / Mikael

17-02-2011, 20:00	#22
saschia Member Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Bratislava Posts: 936	Vaiva - yes, that's true, but that was not the breed, that were dogs, and the reason for the dogs to be like that were people. It's always the people in the end, whether the dog kills refugees, or bites a child on the patio. I can understand no love for patrol dogs, or dog in general, if someone has bad experience. But I really hate when people generalize to whole CSW population some random facts acquired from third-party experience on the first F generations. And it is always breed character that is important for our relationship with that breed, not breed history. And even bad history can bring good character. I mean in wolfdogs we've got just what we like, although we might not like the first purpose. __________________ Saschia (Sasa Zahradnikova) http://www.chiens-loup-tchecoslovaqu...ei-et-damon.ws

17-02-2011, 20:15	#23
yukidomari Moderator Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: Los Angeles CA Posts: 847	Vaiva - Thanks for explaining your experience! I too agree with Saschia that breeds are created to operate under human direction for human purposes and agendas, though, and especially of border patrol dogs, they are/were trained to react in specific manners that respond to their human handler's wishes. But I can definitely understand the bad association especially if a person has been exposed to that kind of trauma.