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29-05-2010, 12:35 | #1 |
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Questions - P14 dogs???
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Way have Hamlet no pedigree ??? Way are the parents P14 dogs ??? Is the parents alive ??? Do the parents have pedigree´s Way not use the parents in breeding ??? Best regards / Mikael
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29-05-2010, 19:21 | #2 | ||||
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Club rules about inbreeding and mate dogs without bonitation or P14
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Thats why I simply ignore bonitation results, as we can meet atipical dogs with P1 as well. Quote:
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I'm pretty happy that Pura Gioia kennel used Hron Radov Dvor with Gioia Zlata Palz, as looks like in future these dogs will be pretty important at breeding. Today its more and more difficult to find litters with interesting pedigrees like that.
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29-05-2010, 19:45 | #3 |
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Thanks very mush for your answers Paula
Very best regards / Mikael
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30-05-2010, 11:51 | #4 | |
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I agree that there may be atypical dogs which got P1. I don't think you get any such dogs that were judged by Slovak judges Oskar, Sonya and Fero Rosik. And you never get really good dogs that got P14. So ignoring the bonitation results is not so good idea. You should at least think about why the results are such as they are. Hamlet Radov dvor was born of pairing of half-siblings, his father was almost a puppy still, with none of the conditions for breeding fulfilled, therefore Hamlet couldn't get papers even if the breeder asked for permission. If the puppy doesn't have papers, it doesn't have registration number and clear identity. You cannot use such animal for breeding Czechoslovak wolfdogs, as any animal, that was born after 1989 and does not have papers, is not considered Czechoslovak wolfdog and that is official. And this measure was taken to prevent cross breedings such as Mutaras.
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30-05-2010, 17:34 | #5 | |
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In other races / breeds just the using of this kind of dogs again and again for breeding has caused at last all the problems with health and low vitality a lot of these "high- domesticated races" today have. Because you never know the negative parts of genetics inside this dogs which can be concentrated by the inbreeding as much as the positive ones which you can see by phaenotypus and appearance. So breeding with highly -inbreeded individuums is always a high risk for the offspring. Is this really needed ? |
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30-05-2010, 18:51 | #6 |
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No, I do not think so, and maybe it’s not possible as Hamlet might not be alive. I think it’s better to use the parents together whit other good dogs to keep this rear line alive, and that way the offspring’s will get a FCI pedigree. Maybe the parents of Hamlet can be Bonitated again and get a new better result ??? Best regards / Mikael
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