Responsible breeding - health

[solowolf]

just been reading all the posts congratulating the first litter of Czechoslovakian wolfdogs in south America, glad to see mother and puppies are doing well, i see all the mails are from our regular crew on wolfdog.org, the same crew that are very pass remarkable about breeders in uk, about the breed and health problems, yet here we have a dog used with a hip score C , or in uk or Australia C is equal to 26-35, sorry but in uk this dog would never of been in any breeding programme with hip score so high, and before you all start defending any breedings have a look at the average hip score of your breed as a whole,,,, you rabbit on about what needs to be done for the good of the breed, give all info on line about health problems and all the tests we need to do before breeding, but then it seems o.k. if its a friend who breeds useing high hip scored animals, and it is a high score by breed standards, you people never cease to amaze me, there is no excuse for useing this dog in any breedings, so dont patronise me with any jumped up excuses's, i am sick of listening to a load of hypocrites on this forum, now go practice what you all preach and breed healthy dogs,

[wolfin]

Originally Posted by solowolf

just been reading all the posts congratulating the first litter of Czechoslovakian wolfdogs in south America, glad to see mother and puppies are doing well, i see all the mails are from our regular crew on wolfdog.org, the same crew that are very pass remarkable about breeders in uk, about the breed and health problems, yet here we have a dog used with a hip score C , or in uk or Australia C is equal to 26-35, sorry but in uk this dog would never of been in any breeding programme with hip score so high, and before you all start defending any breedings have a look at the average hip score of your breed as a whole,,,, you rabbit on about what needs to be done for the good of the breed, give all info on line about health problems and all the tests we need to do before breeding, but then it seems o.k. if its a friend who breeds useing high hip scored animals, and it is a high score by breed standards, you people never cease to amaze me, there is no excuse for useing this dog in any breedings, so dont patronise me with any jumped up excuses's, i am sick of listening to a load of hypocrites on this forum, now go practice what you all preach and breed healthy dogs,

hmmm,
http://www.wolfdog.org/eng/dbase/o1066.html
I not see HD ED results.

[martiou07]

I am in the same case that Paula, i use a female being A/C, therefore officially C. Paula used her coming standard on a female a relatively healthy line. Now, knowing optics of Paula, who is relatively close to me, I know very well; it will do one followed its pups, as much more it acts of the first range South America!!!! Thus for my part, any hypocrisy!!! and again, congratulation for this first Paula range!!!

now, I include/understand your fear concerning Dysplasie ..... but Solowolf…. for my part, i have much more fear concerning the breedings using this dog as a close ancestor …. http://www.wolfdog.org/dbase/d/1167
a little risky to promote a race in a country where the livestock builds itself….

you include/understand me Solowolf

[solowolf]

Originally Posted by martiou07

I am in the same case that Paula, i use a female being A/C, therefore officially C. Paula used her coming standard on a female a relatively healthy line. Now, knowing optics of Paula, who is relatively close to me, I know very well; it will do one followed its pups, as much more it acts of the first range South America!!!! Thus for my part, any hypocrisy!!! and again, congratulation for this first Paula range!!!

now, I include/understand your fear concerning Dysplasie ..... but Solowolf…. for my part, i have much more fear concerning the breedings using this dog as a close ancestor …. http://www.wolfdog.org/dbase/d/1167
a little risky to promote a race in a country where the livestock builds itself….

you include/understand me Solowolf

then we have been very lucky so far as no hip scores from our breedings is over 9.thank you for your very knid concern.

[martiou07]

I wish you it there do not have a problem, to see in some generations ...... i hope that you will keep us informed…

all this, simply to say to you, before criticizing, lean favours over your work before coming to criticize

[solowolf]

Originally Posted by wolfin

hmmm,
http://www.wolfdog.org/eng/dbase/o1066.html
I not see HD ED results.

we have been removed from breeders listings and our flag also removed, from previous posts the uk breeders have been offended and now black listed by moderators on wolfdog.org. we get recognition from uk kennel club within 2 months, we have had the law changed after 6 year fight with authorities, we have all dogs health tested, we have worked hard and earned our place with our beautiful dogs only to be shunned by know it all people on this forum, and you seriously think we will give any information to this web site. we have 3 breeders of pure czechoslovakian wolfdogs in uk and this week sees a forth, we have imported new blood lines from European breeders and more will arrive soon,we only work with serious breeders from Europe who are helping us , not knocking us back and taking the p..s out of us, if half you people had as much fight for the breed as we do in uk we may respect you, over the past 6 yrs myself and Andre tanner have had to move home to protect our dogs, we have had to move them to stop them being siezed by the authorities, we have been threatened with going to jail and heavy fines, but we would not give in, and your people remove us and our countries flag and think we will dissapear, NO CHANCE... it is very obvious that certain peole on this site are anti British, or maybe they can explain to us all on line for the removal, as we have often asked over the past two years with no reply??? so back to the subject if you want healthy dogs then why are C rated hip scores in a breeding programme. and everyone who sent congratulations then must also see nothing wrong with this type of breeding. and i hasen to add these people are the first to slam anyone else outside the circle of friends who does anything untowards in breeding. i rest my case and just hope new owners of any Czechoslovakian Wolfdogs dont get advise on breeding from you lot......

[wolfin]

i NOT see HD ED results in Wolfdog.org
and I SEE very problematic linie dogs in your kennel- dog without HD ED with HD E in yours linie.
sorry but Nebulosa have healtest linie and dogs, not You.
I wish have puppy from shes kennel but for You not, when i see big risik for bad HD and others problems.
yes this is me opinion but maybe when speak about others people first see who have self.

[solowolf]

Originally Posted by wolfin

i NOT see HD ED results in Wolfdog.org
and I SEE very problematic linie dogs in your kennel- dog without HD ED with HD E in yours linie.
sorry but Nebulosa have healtest linie and dogs, not You.
I wish have puppy from shes kennel but for You not, when i see big risik for bad HD and others problems.
yes this is me opinion but maybe when speak about others people first see who have self.

what more could one expect from good old wolfin.......

[solowolf]

Originally Posted by wolfin

i NOT see HD ED results in Wolfdog.org
and I SEE very problematic linie dogs in your kennel- dog without HD ED with HD E in yours linie.
sorry but Nebulosa have healtest linie and dogs, not You.
I wish have puppy from shes kennel but for You not, when i see big risik for bad HD and others problems.
yes this is me opinion but maybe when speak about others people first see who have self.

i love posting this site, the replys will come later as everyone is now looking up the data base to see if they have any E scores in there lines before replying to the posts........suckers

[solowolf]

Originally Posted by wolfin

i NOT see HD ED results in Wolfdog.org
and I SEE very problematic linie dogs in your kennel- dog without HD ED with HD E in yours linie.
sorry but Nebulosa have healtest linie and dogs, not You.
I wish have puppy from shes kennel but for You not, when i see big risik for bad HD and others problems.
yes this is me opinion but maybe when speak about others people first see who have self.

sorry i must dash of to another forum to start another scandel lots of love Pacino

[martiou07]

Solowolf, I do not need to consult the base of data to know on which line you work… to you do not be only, and I do not include/understand why stockbreeders work on this line, I do not think that is a good base for the development a race in construction like the wolfhound….

But I understand that you find an answer, normal, it acts of your work, you know self-criticism can be very use

[admin]

Originally Posted by solowolf

we have been removed from breeders listings and our flag also removed, from previous posts the uk breeders have been offended and now black listed by moderators on wolfdog.org.

NONE of the UK breeders have been offended. The steps were done because of missing responsibility of some breeders who we selling the puppies telling they are FULLY registered and FULLY recognized while CzW is not registered by KC till now. Simply said - we can not advertise puppies which are "non-breeds" for FCI.

If it is true and the breed will get recognition from KC the breeders who are KC-registered will return on the breeders list.

WITH ONE EXCEPTION: there will be NO ADVERTISING for breeders of any kind of mixes and nonbreeds with pedigrees.

We do not advertise here kennels:

- which mix and register Saarloos-Czechoslovakian Wolfdog mixes

- which use lines where appear the offsprings of the mix
Dark (priv. Locchi) who was registered by ENCI with the false parents names. And it doesn't matter in ANY GENERATION the dog will appear

- which own and use for breeding the nonbreeds know as Mutaras (Ave Lupo ---Mutara--, Audrey Lupo ---Mutara--- and Ares Lupo ---Mutara---)

- which own and/or use for breeding any nonbreeds and their offsprings coming from the S- Passo del Lupo litter: Selly Passo del Lupo, Sakim Passo del Lupo, Sam Passo del Lupo, Sangria Passo del Lupo, Sanika Passo del Lupo and Seiko Passo del Lupo.


REASON: There is no advertising and soon the future puppy buyers will be warned not to buy any puppies from this lines and kennels because the litter S-Passo del Lupo, Dark and Mutaras were officially BANNED by the Slovak Club and recognized as NON-BREEDS!!!!
Because it is not possible to count with the national kennel clubs and for example ENCI seems nothing wrong in registering mutts as purebreed dogs it was needed to make additional steps and protect the CzW genepool.

So NONE of these dogs and NONE of their offsprings will EVER be registered by the breed club in Slovakia (and also Czech breed club) and it will be not ALLOWED to import or breed ANY offsprings of these dogs EVEN if the nonbredd will be in 20-, 30 or 100- generation.

We will also not advertise ANY kennels which mix Czechoslovakian Wolfdog with other breeds or wolves and advertise the puppies as "Czechoslovakian Wolfdogs" which is so common in UK...

[Mikael]

Originally Posted by Admin

- which use lines where appear the offsprings of the mix
Dark (priv. Locchi) who was registered by ENCI with the false parents names. And it doesn't matter in ANY GENERATION the dog will appear

- which own and use for breeding the nonbreeds know as Mutaras (Ave Lupo ---Mutara--, Audrey Lupo ---Mutara--- and Ares Lupo ---Mutara---)

- which own and/or use for breeding any nonbreeds and their offsprings coming from the S- Passo del Lupo litter: Selly Passo del Lupo, Sakim Passo del Lupo, Sam Passo del Lupo, Sangria Passo del Lupo, Sanika Passo del Lupo and Seiko Passo del Lupo.


REASON: There is no advertising and soon the future puppy buyers will be warned not to buy any puppies from this lines and kennels because the litter S-Passo del Lupo, Dark and Mutaras were officially BANNED by the Slovak Club and recognized as NON-BREEDS!!!

Just a small question on the above, way are this dogs in the CsV database at all ??? when they are not of the CsV breed ???

Very best regards / Mikael

[michaelundinaeichhorn]

I think it is good that you can find them there. They have been used for breeding or may be in future. As long as they are in the database it is possible to find out the origin of their offspring.

[Margo]

Originally Posted by solowolf

you rabbit on about what needs to be done for the good of the breed, give all info on line about health problems and all the tests we need to do before breeding, but then it seems o.k. if its a friend who breeds useing high hip scored animals, and it is a high score by breed standards, you people never cease to amaze me, there is no excuse for useing this dog in any breedings, so dont patronise me with any jumped up excuses's, i am sick of listening to a load of hypocrites on this forum, now go practice what you all preach and breed healthy dogs,

I really don't understand you...

1) There is nothing wrong and nothing new about using HD-C dogs. Expecially when the result comes from a very strict vet. And the HD-C dog is mated with veary healthy female.
If you like it or not the population of CzW is not big enoguh and in many cases we are using HD-C dogs to protect the gene pool. Of course it will be better to mate only HD-A dogs but in some cases we have to use also dogs with worser results.
Of couse the decision depends on the breeder. I personaly would use a HD-C dog comming from a very heathy line but I already decided several times NOT TO USE a HD-A dog (with HD-Aparents) comming from a line responsible for spread out hip displasia. So please see every case separatly because there are no easy answers.

2) It wonders me why exactly you are writing that OTHER breeders do not pay enough attention to the health. Sorry, but so far we have your litters:

- one litter: 3 generation with only 7 dogs checked of 14 ancestors. Results: 3 x HD-A, 1 x HD-B, 1 x HD-D, 1 x HD-E.
Inbreed done on Gar, Rep and Eta Pohostinstvo CS (HD-D)

- second litter: 3 generation with only 6 dogs checked of 14 ancestors.

- your new so advertised "wolfish arrival" : of 14 ancestors only 4 with clear hips (HD-A) and the dog is an inbreed on 5 dogs where 2 are not checked (in this case it is explicable because they are old dogs) but NONE of the others is HD-free!



Paula explained why she is doing her litter (PURE FACTS).
Are you ABLE to do the same and explain us your way of breeding. Because for 100% it is not a way of breeding which can be advertised to other breeders as one where the breeding of healthy dogs is the main goal...