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Old 01-02-2009, 01:37   #1
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hi guys, sorry if this question has already been answered but i was wondering if there is any breeders in australia or if there is laws which do not allow this breed?

any help will be much appreciated.
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Old 01-02-2009, 08:57   #2
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No, at the moment there is not. But Sogna Bognarova lives at Australoa now and plans to start over there. It was a very dark day for the wolfdog world when she left but she may be able to help you, she speaks English perfectly.

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Hello,
what i think, in Australia is some long karantene for pups. And it is "end" of wolfdog puppy. It must be always with people. If it will be closed in karantene box longer time, you can say goodbye good socialisation. Every day between people is for small wolfdog very important. What is no problem for small german sheepdog, is problem for small wolfdog
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Old 02-02-2009, 09:09   #4
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Hi everybody,

first of all thanks to Ina for introducing me in such a nice way... I live in Adelaide, SA and would like to meet people in Australia who are interested in CSW. I would like to import this breed here, starting with my own dog first. I have to admit that I am missing the whole wolfdog community - meaning people and wolfdogs very much!!! I've started communication with ANKC already and dare to be quite positive about the importation. Well, it will take time, efforts and costs of course. I am aware of how important the education of people prior importing CSW to Australia is and would really appreciate reasonable co-operation with people interested in this breed. Actually, I was looking for Simon Larman from Melbourne, who posted here few years ago. Apparently his email address is not valid anymore, don't anybody have his contact details? Should anyone here like to get in touch, don't hesitate to email me: [email protected]

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Hi Sonja, you are living . And what is about long karantene? Is it true or no?
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Old 02-02-2009, 23:20   #6
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Yeees, Hanka, I am still alive..... As for the importation - it is not only about quarantine, you have to gain also a permit to bring the dog here. Duration of the quarantine depends of the period all required vaccinations and tests were done prior the travel. However, the minimum quarantine for any dog is 30 days (and then up to 6 months) and it is linked to vaccinations and tests being done 150 days prior the travel itself. There are only 3 quarantine stations in Australia - in Perth, Melbourne and Sydney. For all interested, more information here: http://www.daffa.gov.au/aqis/cat-dogs
And of course, you pay at every bloody step of the procedure... But I fully agree, even 30 days quarantine is bad for a wolfdog puppy, moreover, there are some other restrictions, I don't remember them all. I truly hope that at least there will be no troubles with an official CSW recognition here, I am quite optimistic in this.
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Thanks for info. So I cross fingres for your idea, bye Hanka
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Old 03-02-2009, 14:45   #8
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hi, i have two czech puppies booked for Austrialia this year, they do have quarenteen but this differs, from uk quarenteen is only for 30 days as uk is rabies free, if you need any help on importation to Aus please let me know, you are aware there are very limited quarenteen kennels in Aus and that you need to pre book long in advance of your animal arriving, if you have any questions please email me at [email protected]
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hi, i have two czech puppies booked for Austrialia this year, they do have quarenteen but this differs, from uk quarenteen is only for 30 days as uk is rabies free
Sorry, I think 30 days is too long for any puppy, and wolfdog especially, that's a month lost in learning that there is a world full of people and cars and other dogs. I wouldn't recommend anybody to do that. If anybody wants to import, I would recommend getting a young (and best also bonitated and X-rayed dog - so you can use it safely for breeding) which is already socialized, or coming to Europe and socialize it themselves, or if both are impossible, wait a couple of years and get an Australia-born pup.
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Sorry, I think 30 days is too long for any puppy, and wolfdog especially, that's a month lost in learning that there is a world full of people and cars and other dogs. I wouldn't recommend anybody to do that. If anybody wants to import, I would recommend getting a young (and best also bonitated and X-rayed dog - so you can use it safely for breeding) which is already socialized, or coming to Europe and socialize it themselves, or if both are impossible, wait a couple of years and get an Australia-born pup.
hi, I am exporting two cwd to Australia, the importation regulations vary, Europe is different from uk, it differs as in if the country is classified as rabies free, with vaccinations and blood test the earliest a pup could leave uk is approx 4 mths old, i have explained to the new owners about the cwd and that i am not happy about the 30 days quarenteen, they are checking with ministry vets to see if it is possable to import without this 30 days, if not both new owners have agreed that i keep the dogs with me till they are 7-9 mths old, all my breeding stock is health tested, we do not have bonitation in uk but i use copy of the code on my dogs to best of my ability, i also get help from very senior uk judge, i also worry as it is very long flight, i have spoken to another breeder of Akitas in uk as he exported to Aus, he give me email of importer who got a dog from uk, he has told me that the dog he got from uk arrived safe and well and did not seem to be overly affected by the long flight, but this was Akita not cwd,,,I have warned both people that i am still not 100% on sending dogs to Australia, both said they will understand if i change my mind, hard decision,,,,,pacino
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Hello Solowolf, I don´t plane export pups to Australia, it was just question (quaratnene) , because here was this topic some years ago.......but thanks for help
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Hi Pacino, it's OK, if you prepare the dogs for the long flight and long quarantine, I thought you ment young pups, if already grown, that's better.

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t i use copy of the code on my dogs to best of my ability, i also get help from very senior uk judge
Well, what I think abou this you can read in another topic (northern inuit dogs), so I won't go into detail here. But if starting a breeding in a far country where import itself is very expensive, I would really try to at least import dogs which were judged by not only senior, but wolfdog-experienced judges, as suitable for further breeding. Especially, as there is a great wolfdog judge Sonya in Australia now.
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Especially, as there is a great wolfdog judge Sonya in Australia now.
Oh yes, I forgot that parasks very likely doesn´t know her. Sonja is a very experienced wolfdog owner and breeder that knows the breed since decades, she is a specialised judge, a boniation judge and knows I think most of the CSW population all over Europe. If you think about importing one I would surely take her advice where to get one and out of which pairings. You would have the best possibilities to start over there you can get and you would be two of you to start with the breed what will make things easier.

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I would really try to at least import dogs which were judged by not only senior, but wolfdog-experienced judges, as suitable for further breeding.
It would be interessing, but unhaply the things not work like that.
I know really some cases of people wich ask help of a very famous, experienced judge for introduce a new breed in his country, and it not work like that, what I saw mostly times was people sending really bad dogs ( dogs wich none would buy on the original cuntry) to these far away people who ask for help, saying that those dogs are the best, good lined and so on.
I saw the introduction and the start of some new breeds here, I can garantee you, those that ask help of the club for get good dogs and advices only brings descarted dogs with the illusion of bring a good one "because club say it is", I saw also some champion with very important title for the breed coming, with the breeder thinking it would be a garantee of a good dog, and when the dogs arrive he was really non-standarded dog.. but titled.
In truth seems people from the origin country loves send dogs wich would be a suposedly "shame for a kennel" outside, maybe, as one way to hidden problems in his breeding.
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That's why I said bonitated. If you buy bonitated dogs, you know what you are getting.

I personally don't approve of selling bad pups to countries for starting breeding there, but people are different. On the other hand, even if you sell a pup which has good parents and seems fine, it doesn't have to stay like that. Lots of times there is a champion in a litter and a poor dog in the same one. And with the growing etc. you never have a certainty.
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it's OK, if you prepare the dogs for the long flight...
I vent to Australia in 2001 and it took me 28h to get from Stockholm - London - Singapore - Sydney...
BELIEVE ME, IT IS A HARD TRIP even for a human. you MUST realy prepare in advance...
and Singapore and Australia can be very very hott...

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I vent to Australia in 2001 and it took me 28h to get from Stockholm - London - Singapore - Sydney...
BELIEVE ME, IT IS A HARD TRIP even for a human. you MUST realy prepare in advance...
and Singapore and Australia can be very very hott...

Good luck Best regards / Mikael, former AUS Cattledog owner
hi,after reading this i have contacted both people who want pups in Australia, i have told them this journey is very long time, i have explained i would only consider sending adult cwd on such a journey. it would be best to maybe get dogs from as far west as possable then maybe the journey will not be so long as from uk,
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Hi Pacino, it's OK, if you prepare the dogs for the long flight and long quarantine, I thought you ment young pups, if already grown, that's better.



Well, what I think abou this you can read in another topic (northern inuit dogs), so I won't go into detail here. But if starting a breeding in a far country where import itself is very expensive, I would really try to at least import dogs which were judged by not only senior, but wolfdog-experienced judges, as suitable for further breeding. Especially, as there is a great wolfdog judge Sonya in Australia now.
it is of coarse very important that if cwd are to go to Australia then the best possable dogs must only be sent, it would be expensive, but as the cost is a lot of money i was selling my two cwd for very very little money £200 each i am more interested in getting the cwd to Australia as it is great that people are interested in the breed out there, i also agreed to pay for all vaccinations and the sky kennels, i get the sky kennels very cheap from quarenteen kennels as many people leave them there when they import dogs to uk, as journey is so long it is not for pup or young dog, adult dog is best then at least all health checks can be made before export insuring the best possable start for the breed,,,,,pacino
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It would be interessing, but unhaply the things not work like that.
I know really some cases of people wich ask help of a very famous, experienced judge for introduce a new breed in his country, and it not work like that, what I saw mostly times was people sending really bad dogs ( dogs wich none would buy on the original cuntry) to these far away people who ask for help, saying that those dogs are the best, good lined and so on.
I saw the introduction and the start of some new breeds here, I can garantee you, those that ask help of the club for get good dogs and advices only brings descarted dogs with the illusion of bring a good one "because club say it is", I saw also some champion with very important title for the breed coming, with the breeder thinking it would be a garantee of a good dog, and when the dogs arrive he was really non-standarded dog.. but titled.
In truth seems people from the origin country loves send dogs wich would be a suposedly "shame for a kennel" outside, maybe, as one way to hidden problems in his breeding.
why would people want to send bad dogs as the dogs sent would represent the breed, in Europe you health check dogs as in uk, but you also have bonitation code so it is up to you to give best advise to people on where to get good dogs from for export, the new dogs are an example of the breed and it is of utmost importance that they are very good examples of the breed. it would be madness to send bad dogs. i take no notice of champion status, its the dog i look at and whats behind it, the show world is same everywhere dogs that are in very small classes can become champion and then you have not the dog champion but who is on other end of lead rope, my friend is judge champion,,,,,,
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why would people want to send bad dogs as the dogs sent would represent the breed, in Europe you health check dogs as in uk, but you also have bonitation code so it is up to you to give best advise to people on where to get good dogs from for export, the new dogs are an example of the breed and it is of utmost importance that they are very good examples of the breed. it would be madness to send bad dogs. i take no notice of champion status, its the dog i look at and whats behind it, the show world is same everywhere dogs that are in very small classes can become champion and then you have not the dog champion but who is on other end of lead rope, my friend is judge champion,,,,,,
Because commonly they don't care for what is going on at other lands, principally far away ones, if the breeding have problems or not its not their problem if the breed in their country is fine, so, at end in truth exportations for some countries are only for send outside dogs wich they don't want, and I don't talk here only of introduct a new breed but about bring new lined dogs also.
I considere it madeness because I see non sense in it, I would never do something like that principally because I know how its difficult to bring dogs from outside, but its a sad truth in mostly cases.
For you have an idea, people here for years try to bring good european lined dobermann to my country, but mostly of the breeders give up because the are enough to pay a lot for a supposedly excelent puppie, and arrives a completly different one, sometimes even with different pedigree, so they use americans dobermanns not because its the nicer, but because is where they found honest breeders wich send what they promited.

Unhaply this isn't a far truth for CzW, I had already listen a lot of hystories wich can be confirmed of the same thing, people solding dogs of the "suposedly best litter of the year" when in truth it's a litter that only by the line itself nobody on the country wants have it, you can find even on our breed hole litters beging sold outside because it, for the breed this litter have no value and will not be selled easy on the origin countrie.

How many cases of good addult bonitated and X rayed dogs that was sold happen on CzW? I think we can count on our fingers, without talk about the value of those dogs, even because none will want to give away a good lined, interessing, bonitated and X rayed stud to a country so far away that they have a high probability to never more seen this dog.

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That's why I said bonitated. If you buy bonitated dogs, you know what you are getting.

I personally don't approve of selling bad pups to countries for starting breeding there...
What you wrote seems I can confirme for mostly Slovakians I know, but unhaply its like an exception then mostly part of other countries think pretty different, principally when we talk about send dogs soo far away, so, for those commonly its valid what I wrote for Paul above.
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