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Old 14-12-2015, 10:51   #1
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Default Frauds made by the kennels: "z Dubnicanky" (SK) and "CRying Wolf"(HU)

For sure you all know about mixes, fake pedigrees. For sure many of you have enought of it because of Wolfdog.org database. But time passes and there are more and more evidences confirming frauds made by some breeders. This time again warning about Hungarian "Crying Wolf"-kennel and Slovakian "z Dubnicanky"....

Since a longer time the Slovakian Club was warning about frauds made by "Crying Wolf". They were telling that you can not take serious pedigrees made by Edith Molnar because she is puting fake information there (fake parents names, fake dates of birth). Many words were spoken but people were waiting for proofs. This time we get it from Slovakia....

But I'll start from the beginning.
You know for sure Garon spod Dumbiera. Nice dog with interesting blood. He did not pass the bonitation. First in Slovakia (he did not pass the character test - inadequate socialization). Later he also did not pass the bonitation in Czech Republic (health problems likely caused by the disastrous conditions in the kennel which owns him). He didn't had breeding rights but "z Dublicanky" kennel decided to breed him. The puppies were born on 16.11.2013 (look on the first photo published P. Krotkovsky (co-owner of "z Dubnicanky" dogs)).



There were NOT breed according the FCI rules so they did not get the FCI-pedigrees. BUT "z Dubnicanky" kennel sold the puppies without informing the puppy buyers that the puppies are NOT registered. On the photo 2 you can see that one of the puppy owners registred the puppy on a FCI dog show - doing it the breeder broke (unintentionally) the FCI show regulation by showing a dog without the pedigree! Only because they were reachetd by the Slovakian breeder :/



Because of those frauds Slovakian CzW Club decided to remove Pavol Poruban ("z Dubnicanky" kennel) from the Club (what was finally done 2015).
Because P. Poruban is a very good friend of Edith Molnar ("Crying Wolf") she decided to help him. She registered the puppies with FAKE date of birth in Serbia. On the 3. photo you can see the fake pedigree. You can see that she changed the date of brirth to 28.01.2014 (she made the puppies younger more than 2 months!). Nobody from the Serbian kennel club checked the puppies, nobody checked if the parents have breeding rights. Nobody checked of the parents are correct.


These are not the first fake pedigrees made by Edith Molnar. Slovakian Club informed about it a long time ago. They knew it but there were no printed proofs. The problem is serious because there are more and more RED puppies (Saarloos mixes) born among the "Crying Wolf" dogs. On the last two photos you can see Crying Wolf-puppies (photo published on Edith's FB page) and red CzW-Saarloos-Mix which she tried to sell to Italy as Saarloos-Mix. As you can see both photos were taken on the ground of "Crying Wolf" kennel (people who visited Edith will confirm the place but even you can compare both photos)...



I hope this will end the discussion about Crying Wolf kennel because it make two facts indisputable:
1) Edith is chating the pedigrees and you can not trust the information which she puts there
2) she owns and breeds Saarloos mixes selling them as "Czechoslovakian Wolfdog"
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Old 15-12-2015, 18:24   #2
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Margo si milá že robíš reklamu šteňatám po Garonovi, časom zistíš aká hlúpa a naivná osôbka sa z Teba stala Nejako zámerne si zabudla uviesť, že Garon spod Ďumbiera má vyznačenú chovnosť "reproduktor" v Poľskej republike, to len tak pre začiatok na poriadok.

Stále napádaš Edit Molnár, podľa mňa by si sa radšej mala venovať svojmu chovu a svojím Kryptorchidom ako stále napádať druhých chovateľov... Z môjho pohľadu jednoducho nevieš uniesť dnešnú silnú konkurenciu a bojíš sa toho, že svoje šteňatá začneš mať problém predávať, možno aj z toho dôvodu, že produkuješ veľa šteňiat, čím sa v mojích očiach stávaš obyčajnou množiteľkou, ktorej ide hlavne o to, aby chovom československého vlčiaka dosiahla čo najvyšší profit, inak sa nedá vysvetliť vysoký počet psov, ktoré u seba doma máš...

Po ďalšie, Peter Krotkovský nie je spolumajiteľ mojich psov, veď ty ani nevieš, ktoré psy sú v mojom vlastníctve, a ktoré sú vo vlastníctve môjho otca, s ktorým máme rovnaké mená, to by si si mala ešte zistiť

Záverom nemám v pláne reagovať na tvoje trápne a smiešne výplody fantázie, ktorými svet československého vlčiaka obťažuješ už dlhú dobu, viem že proti Tebe chce viacero chovateľov podniknúť aj právne kroky, no myslím že sa máš na čo tešiť, ahoj
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Old 15-12-2015, 19:37   #3
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Margo si milá že robíš reklamu šteňatám po Garonovi, časom zistíš aká hlúpa a naivná osôbka sa z Teba stala Nejako zámerne si zabudla uviesť, že Garon spod Ďumbiera má vyznačenú chovnosť "reproduktor" v Poľskej republike, to len tak pre začiatok na poriadok.

Stále napádaš Edit Molnár, podľa mňa by si sa radšej mala venovať svojmu chovu a svojím Kryptorchidom ako stále napádať druhých chovateľov... Z môjho pohľadu jednoducho nevieš uniesť dnešnú silnú konkurenciu a bojíš sa toho, že svoje šteňatá začneš mať problém predávať, možno aj z toho dôvodu, že produkuješ veľa šteňiat, čím sa v mojích očiach stávaš obyčajnou množiteľkou, ktorej ide hlavne o to, aby chovom československého vlčiaka dosiahla čo najvyšší profit, inak sa nedá vysvetliť vysoký počet psov, ktoré u seba doma máš...

There are simple questions with simple answers that are repeatedly being avoided by Mr. Poruban/z Dubnicanky:

Are you alleging the pictured Serbian registration papers in fact do not exist, or that the data contained about the puppies and parents' breeding status are correct?

Why is the litter of Garon spod Dumbiera and Hermiona Oskar Dor registered in Serbia to another breeder who already has a registered FCI kennel name, but it is oddly left out on these registration papers?

On another note, for what it's worth, I suppose this has also been reported through the official channels to the Serbian kennel club?
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Old 20-12-2015, 16:31   #4
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After the discusion on the German FB forum there are more interesting things:

How it is possible that Edith Molnar has two kennels names registered by FCI: "Crying Wolf" in Hungary and "Crying Wolf 1996" in Serbia. FCI regulations do not allow it...

You can find there words written by a person (ex(?) Edith's friend) who confirmed that Edith mixes Saarloos and CzW. Edith told her about it during the dog show in Komarom (HU) - October 2014. Edith's idea was to add "new blood"... :/

It confims what we new already knew for a long time: that Edith mixes and breeds Saarloos/CzW mixes and sells them with FCI pedigrees as Czechoslovakian Wolfdog... It means many of her dogs which are born after 2004 are NOT pure Czechoslovakian Wolfdogs and they must be treated as mutts (as far as there are no official parentage tests saying something else)
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Old 20-12-2015, 17:58   #5
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Old 20-12-2015, 18:12   #6
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After the discusion on the German FB forum there are more interesting things:

How it is possible that Edith Molnar has two kennels names registered by FCI: "Crying Wolf" in Hungary and "Crying Wolf 1996" in Serbia. FCI regulations do not allow it...

You can find there words written by a person (ex(?) Edith's friend) who confirmed that Edith mixes Saarloos and CzW. Edith told her about it during the dog show in Komarom (HU) - October 2014. Edith's idea was to add "new blood"... :/

It confims what we new already knew for a long time: that Edith mixes and breeds Saarloos/CzW mixes and sells them with FCI pedigrees as Czechoslovakian Wolfdog... It means many of her dogs which are born after 2004 are NOT pure Czechoslovakian Wolfdogs and they must be treated as mutts (as far as there are no official parentage tests saying something else)

I can not understand how the FCI enables people who mix dogs and falsifying pedigree, affix and maintain their pedigree
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Not convinced that the Serbian Kennel Club can or will do anything about it, but has anyone taken the official route in reporting the fraudulent activity to them?
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After the discusion on the German FB forum there are more interesting things:

How it is possible that Edith Molnar has two kennels names registered by FCI: "Crying Wolf" in Hungary and "Crying Wolf 1996" in Serbia. FCI regulations do not allow it...

You can find there words written by a person (ex(?) Edith's friend) who confirmed that Edith mixes Saarloos and CzW. Edith told her about it during the dog show in Komarom (HU) - October 2014. Edith's idea was to add "new blood"... :/

It confims what we new already knew for a long time: that Edith mixes and breeds Saarloos/CzW mixes and sells them with FCI pedigrees as Czechoslovakian Wolfdog... It means many of her dogs which are born after 2004 are NOT pure Czechoslovakian Wolfdogs and they must be treated as mutts (as far as there are no official parentage tests saying something else)
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Thank you for this important update. It's saddening, but not surprising in the least...
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