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Old 02-11-2011, 21:19   #21
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I chose this bread because I need a dog who loves children, has a very well developed sense of property and is suspicions with strangers and also for his look.
I don't think many vlcaks have a well developed sense of property! Instead they have rather extremely very well developed sense of pack membership.

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In the past I had two german shepherd and i train them by myself to obey basic commands.
CSVs "think" differently and act differently than GSDs. Reading some threads about training to avoid basic errors might be helpful.

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So ... about my yard ... the point was that I am not afraid that the puppies will destroy my sofa or my TV ... I do not intend to abandon that dog in the back of my house ... specially that I have a son which will fall in love of our next member of the family ...
Relieved to hear this In the first months a pup requires really a lot of time and energy! Any shortcuts in socialization and training might backfire later.


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Old 02-11-2011, 21:31   #22
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I chose this bread because I need a dog who loves children, has a very well developed sense of property and is suspicions with strangers and also for his look.
Then I think you're chosing the wrong breed.
Yes, wolfdogs do love child as they do love humans, after 4 months old you will have 2 wolfdogs with no idea about their own strenght and wishing to learn more about their own capacities, it will get worst as more they grow more strong they get, mean you will soon have two troglodytes in your garden, with 12 months they will have almost the size of an adult with the mind of a pup.
You will teach him how to play with humans, but when they play with each other they can easily run over someone without note they did it, it can be quite tragical for a small child.
But it talking about already educated dogs, lets think when they are learning about life and rules, they will jump and bite hard and they will be strong enough to bring down a child which is playing.
Then, lets correct it, educated adult wolfdogs can be good dogs with kids.

As guarding dogs, mainly when we talk about property, better chose a Rottweiler, maybe a German Shepherd working line, CzW can be good guarding dogs if you work hard on it and expend a lot of time socializing, even this way their tendency is not protect the property, but the pack, you will also need to have a strong bond with them to have them as really guard dog.
Either way, don't expect them to be a guard dog as you should be used to, after all wolfdogs loves humans and tend to be very kind with them, even strangers.
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Old 02-11-2011, 21:36   #23
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Yeah, they have a sense of property all right. Everything I want belongs to ME! That is the basic attitude. They know where is their pack headquarters, but that does not mean they will not try to roam around if they manage to escape and decide it is fun. They will guard their territory, which means they will bark at all dogs they are not friend with, and look suspiciously at people. They will let them in, but once they grow up, they'll not let them out.

With children they can be great - but they need to grow up near them - to know from puppyhood that that is something fragile. Of course, when a wolfdog is mature it will also be able to accomodate with children, the hardest is with adolescent wolfdogs who do not have child in the family and only meet them in streets (my Frei was long just too enthusiastic to play with them, so I had to be careful).

And last thing - young wolfdog needs a lot of time. It will not be better if you try to compensate for lack of it by giving it another wolfdog to play with. It does not need your time because it needs to play (it can play by itself a lot - destroying mostly) but it needs your time to be socialized, to be brought up and taught what is OK and what is forbidden.

I completely understand your desire to get a puppy or two. But if you want to be happy, you really should consider if you are doing the right thing. And really, even if you get a puppy (and I wish you good luck with that), I really thing better idea for a playmate would be a cat. They can be good friends (I know quite a lot wolfdogs that have cat friends), but do not support each other in doing wrongs and most of all, cat does not need so much of your attention as a second puppy does.

Good luck from me too!
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Old 02-11-2011, 23:46   #24
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Wellcome in the club DEOCAMDATA!
For sure there are different personalities of CSW and I subscribe to all the posts on this thread.
But one thing is for sure.Does not matter how big your yard is but your CSW will want to be anytime where you are.
When you ll get the pupies you will know what name.
Mine has also cats as friends and a shepperd dog.

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Old 03-11-2011, 08:27   #25
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He is just too big, rough, and at parks I must be extra careful, because he will knock children down and sometimes mouth too roughly even to me.
Oh yes, vlcak's affection sometimes... hurts
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oH, GOSH, a very careful breeder here in Italy once told me "If you want two CSWs, do it, they're splendid but... DO NOT TAKE TWO PUPPIES AT THE TIME... two pups are not twice the work, they are FOUR TIME the work!"

That is because they will form a very strong bond with each other, so you really risk to be cut out.

The child, besides, is very young and it is easier to teach to ONE dog (female, I daresay!) to be delicate than to two.

I have a 13 months old male who was so rough as a puppy with children, even if he loves them!! Now he has started to be more delicate (especially with very small children), but it took a lot of work and patience and I never leave the eyes off of him when children are around!!

Please, take only one, and raise it properly, then you can think to take the second (if the first has not done his or her job well :P)
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Old 03-11-2011, 20:26   #27
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Thank you all guys ...
This Saturday I will take final decision
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...please please do not get two at once if this is your first time living with this breed
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oH, GOSH, a very careful breeder here in Italy once told me "If you want two CSWs, do it, they're splendid but... DO NOT TAKE TWO PUPPIES AT THE TIME... two pups are not twice the work, they are FOUR TIME the work!"

That is because they will form a very strong bond with each other, so you really risk to be cut out.

The child, besides, is very young and it is easier to teach to ONE dog (female, I daresay!) to be delicate than to two.

I have a 13 months old male who was so rough as a puppy with children, even if he loves them!! Now he has started to be more delicate (especially with very small children), but it took a lot of work and patience and I never leave the eyes off of him when children are around!!

Please, take only one, and raise it properly, then you can think to take the second (if the first has not done his or her job well :P)

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So ... is only one ... for the beginning ...
It is absolutely spectacular ... very active and after first night seams that he has already accommodate with his new home and his new family.
His name in the pedigree certificate is Karlos ... probably he will have a nick name ...
So ... thank you again for all your advices.

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Congrats! I hope you'll all get used to one another quickly. I am glad that you decided for only one in the beginning. Lots of luck!
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So ... is only one ... for the beginning ...
Very wise decision... This time next year you'll know why

Enjoy his puppyhood and start training asap! The earlier the easier (though not necessarily faster) it's to imprint some behaviour patterns...
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brilliant!! good decision .. welcome karlos .... pics please
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I quote Rona!!

Wise decision, and yes, start training immediately (a training fit for the age) because you will need it in around 10 months XD...

Word of a male CSW owner!
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I quote Rona!!

Wise decision, and yes, start training immediately (a training fit for the age) because you will need it in around 10 months XD...

Word of a male CSW owner!
silly question but do dog owners in the continent not start training the minute the new pup/dog enters the home?
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silly question but do dog owners in the continent not start training the minute the new pup/dog enters the home?
Lot of them never start.
My first impression when I visit UK with my beagle was very high obedience level presented by normal owners and their pets on the streets, in parks, etc. I have never seen so awareness? owners as British
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Here in Italy it depends.

Most of the dogs do not receive the basic education. And when I say MOST, I mean MOST.

I started when Spettro was 4 months old. It was not easy to find the right person, the first I was at did not convince me and I did not trust him... when I found our present trainer, I was very happy.

Anyway, even if I did not have a trainer, I started teaching him little exercise and I socialised him a lot. So when we started, we weren't completely at zero.

I can assure you that dog owners that go to training are an exception.. Sadly.
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Most people in the USA do not take their dogs to class for training or socialization or get a trainer unless they are having huge problems with their dogs, and then only sometimes they will get help.

Mostly of the super minority people who do train, are people who intend to use their dogs for sports or working.
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My local kennel club offers basic obedience classes (sit, down, stay, heel, stand for exam) - 6 weeks, $60, one hour each week, all positive training with a fitted nylon slip collar (dominant dog collar). We usually start out with 8-10 people for a session (sessions are usually back to back). By the end, 25%-50% of the people have given up...it's not from lack of effort on the instructor's part! And it is usually the most out of control dogs. One can only guess what happens to the dog after that...
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brilliant!! good decision .. welcome karlos .... pics please
So ... this is Karlos Von Konigs Terry



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Wise decision, and yes, start training immediately (a training fit for the age) because you will need it in around 10 months XD...

Word of a male CSW owner!
I will ... after few weeks ... at least with the basic training ...
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