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Old 04-11-2012, 09:37   #41
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I see major problem with nomenclature, i.e. what the term "open" means. It used to be the opposite of "secret" but for some people here seems a synonyme of "noble" "honest" or "ethical".

If I said to any of you: "I openly admit that I plan to kidnap and kill your vlcak, becacuse I need its body for an important experiment", would you consider me honest or ethical? Would you excuse such doing or consider it noble? Well, you should, I was being open, unlike many who just steal dogs for such purposes.

If somebody who calls himself a breeder openly plans to take part in the process of breed destruction IMO isn't honest, but cynical (or just ignorant and greedy ).

Whatever the end of the "Stephanie-gate" is, FCI and national KCs should definitely undertake more effective efforts in educating its members, so they would better understand the mission and goals of the organisation and the sense and goals of breeding as such.
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Old 04-11-2012, 10:48   #42
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If somebody who calls himself a breeder openly plans to take part in the process of breed destruction IMO isn't honest, but cynical (or just ignorant and greedy ).
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Old 04-11-2012, 12:31   #43
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but not believe in free tamaskans from this litter or with price include vactination and pet pasport
I can only say to this that litters registered by the TBA or TDR must have their vaccinations, passports, vet checkup, and DM test because one of the parents is a carrier.
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Old 04-11-2012, 13:42   #44
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I can only say to this that litters registered by the TBA or TDR must have their vaccinations, passports, vet checkup, and DM test because one of the parents is a carrier.
this mas have all dogs puppy not important what a breed are
I speak about price I think they cost moore not this minimum price who mas pay breeder for vactination pet pasport and DM test
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Old 04-11-2012, 13:46   #45
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I can only say that I must ask you witch price you have in mind.
Because of course it can be a way different price as a price for a CWD. why because they aren't CWD's
They will be registered as limited tamaskan outcross.
So yes they go for less than a full registered tamaskan

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Old 04-11-2012, 13:51   #46
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I can only say that I must ask you witch price you have in mind.
Because of course it can be a way different price as a price for a CWD. why because they aren't CWD's
They will be registered as limited tamaskan outcross.
So yes they go for less than a full registered tamaskan
mix mas give from free in this case price is much biger like pure CSV (I interesing special in this - interesing from what need this to make, when can have normal CSV litter when Tamaskan are not breed and I not believe with this breeding plan and falsh mixing in oficial breed in future too. We all can make a club and breed rare super breed from dogs who found near ours house, but this not are a breed)
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Old 04-11-2012, 21:55   #47
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According the Dutch Tamaskan club the price is between € 1000 and € 1500 for a Tamaskan (not registered FCI breed) puppy : http://www.tamaskan-dog.nl/de-tamaskan/aanschaf
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Old 04-11-2012, 22:34   #48
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According the Dutch Tamaskan club the price is between € 1000 and € 1500 for a Tamaskan (not registered FCI breed) puppy : http://www.tamaskan-dog.nl/de-tamaskan/aanschaf
The Tamaskan is not a breed of dog and never has been - it is simply the crossing of various northern breeds to produce a wolf-like dog!
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Old 05-11-2012, 01:42   #49
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The German tamaskanclub want nothing to do with it.
The German club are also not agree!!!

http://www.tamaskan-club.de/
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Old 05-11-2012, 14:41   #50
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The Tamaskan is not a breed of dog and never has been - it is simply the crossing of various northern breeds to produce a wolf-like dog!
Exactly, so why bother and make such a fuss about it.
At least we know what was crossed in (in that certain case...) which we didn't before and still don't know in most Tamaskan lines.
Not to mention the ridiculous denial of wolf genes in the Tamaskan.
Ok, the German club has a short note on his website that a Saarloos was bred in, but that was not all...
As they and most readers here do know.
It is doubtful enough creating a so called breed just for the looks.
If "wolfish" or not...

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Old 06-11-2012, 12:44   #51
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Exactly, so why bother and make such a fuss about it.
The fuss depends on whether this thread is about tamaskans or breeders' ethics. As long as the breed club & the kennel club of the 'breeder' and the CSV breed guardian - Slovakian Kennel Club have not formally agreed to such an "experiment" it is against the rules and against the CSV breed interest.
It is also against the mission and principles of breeding pedigree dogs, which members of cynological organizations undertook to obey and support when joining them!
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Old 07-11-2012, 13:48   #52
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I cant argue with the things being said in regard to regulations or the ethics of the breeder here as I just dont have that kind off information.

All I do know is what I have read on a tamaskan forum and I think they are making a lot better effort. DNA tests have been done and they seem to be trying to track as far as they can to get an understanding. I also read that they wanted to agree as a whole when to outcross for genetic diversity and for behavioural issues. They have a type in mind and are working towards that.

I dont see with this in mind if there is careful consideration and a cross done. Of course the breeder of the CzW would have to be involved and really for the sake of good feelings this breed club should be spoken with.

Its not an insult to the breed if someone seeks to use it in an ETHICAL manner.

If this person is really just another BYB as we call them well thats a whole different kettle of fish. I wonder how the Tamaskan breeders who are working hard feel about this person.

For the record I dont want a Tamaskan or any kind of cross of a CzW. Happy to wait for the real thing. I didnt win lotto so going to be a while yet
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Old 14-02-2013, 00:34   #53
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Some random web surfing, the Czechoslovakian Vlcak bitch in the original post Moonlight Kaylee van Goverwelle has indeed been covered by a mixed male dog.

http://vantaelsesluske.nl/index-t.php

And that this has been sanctioned by the 'Tamaskan Dog Register'.
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Old 23-03-2013, 18:27   #54
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You guys might be interested in knowing that the covering did not seem to take.
Kaylee did not conceive any puppies.
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Old 06-04-2013, 01:06   #55
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Thanks, Nino
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