Wolf Attack in Canadá

Nebulosa · 06-03-2006, 04:34

"Four Wolves Suspected in Man’s Death in Remote Area of Canada
By Jess Edberg, Information Specialist -- International Wolf Center, 12/12/2005

An apparent wolf attack has been determined as the cause of death for 22-year-old Kenton Joel Carnegie, whose body was found on Tuesday, November 8, at Points North Landing near Wollaston Lake in the Canadian province of Saskatchewan, about 450 kilometers northeast of La Ronge.

The main theory in this case is that Carnegie was attacked by a pack of four wolves seen in the area for some time that were showing signs of losing their natural fear of humans (an indication of habituation to humans), according to Saskatchewan Environment and Resource Management (SERM) wolf biologist Tim Trottier, who is investigating the case. There is also evidence that Carnegie and others had recently been interacting with the wolves at close range.

Canadian wolf biologist Dr. Paul Paquet has also been investigating the incident and says that evidence points to approximately four wolves, based on blood and tracks present in the area. Investigating conservation officers, given permission to kill any wolves suspected in the incident, have killed two wolves from the area. Dr. Paquet’s examination of the animals showed cloth, hair and flesh in the large intestine that resembled human remains and are being tested for human origin.

Paquet said that the wolves suspected of attacking Carnegie probably had prior human contact and that the attack was likely spurred by the animals’ interest in discarded food or garbage.

“I suspect that ultimately we will find that these are garbage-habituated wolves that are either being inadvertently fed or intentionally fed in the area,” he said. “That is the common thread to most wolf attacks that I’ve investigated.”

If wolves are proven to have killed Carnegie, it will be the first documented case of healthy, wild wolves killing a human in North America.

Does this mean that all wolves should be considered a serious threat to humans living in or visiting wolf country? Not necessarily. Wolves and other wild animals have always been unpredictable. Bears, mountain lions, bison, moose and even domestic pets have been known to present a serious threat to people under certain circumstances. The danger may lie more in how we as humans behave in the presence of a wild animal and not the other way around. Tens of millions of human visitor days have been logged in wolf country without wolf attacks.

Like other wild and domestic animals, wolves are responsive to the actions of humans. Humans have a remarkable ability to influence and shape animal behavior, whether that involves a black bear harassing campers for food after being fed by an eager photographer, a raccoon rummaging through your trash can when the lid is not secured, or a chickadee feeding contently at a backyard feeder while you watch through your kitchen window.

Our actions have the potential to cause immediate and sometimes dangerous behavioral changes in wildlife. Wolves are probably no different from a chickadee in how susceptible they are to habituation. By avoiding contact with wildlife or providing negative stimulus in the presence of a bold animal (yelling, banging pots and pans, throwing sticks), also known as aversive conditioning, we may be able to avoid habituating animals to us.

Could this regrettable event have been prevented with appropriate waste disposal and aversive conditioning by those encountering wolves? We cannot know; we can simply be aware of the potential danger of habituating wild animals to us and take action against it in the future."

saschia · 07-03-2006, 18:33

This is a very sad event. Sad from the point of all interested - the killed man and his family and friends, the local and global wolves, people in general and wolf enthusiasts in particular.

natbot89 · 08-03-2006, 01:10

anyone know the autopsy report or are they just assuming that the wolves killed him & it wasnt natural causes? Because it could be that he was already dead and the wolves were just feeding of the rotting carcass.

Dharkwolf · 08-03-2006, 02:05

It is interesting that you should raise the point.

I am also very interested in the autopsy report though the corpse would hardly have been rotting - between the last minute when the victim was seen alive and when his body was found the interval was around 2-3 hours no more.

There is something grotesque about the whole affair - however it does seem that three months after the incident there is still no available autopsy report at least not publically and probably not to his family either (I took the time to read through the site they set up especially to mourn).

Given the great impact that the media has given this affair (apparently there have been 20 or so articles published) and the influence it is already having (many groups are already taking a stance of the issue - even Dr. Mech has had statements to say in this matter) it is unlikely that an unbiased autopsy report will ever be released - if it was to be released it would have happened by now.

The death of the young student was tragic - regardless of whether he was killed by the wolves or died through some other mishap does not detract from the tragedy of the incident.

It is also tragic that wolves will suffer for this in the end - regardless of the outcome of the autopsy. Three of the four wolves assiciated with the incident have already been shot - while it can be argued that it would be safe to shoot those animals responsible (if indeed they were responsible) wolves across the globe will pay for this - now everyone will look back to this incident and point to the wolf as a real man killer.

It is I suppose ironic - one man allegedly killed by wolves and wolves across the world will suffer. Yet how many men have been killed by other men and what happens then?

Nebulosa · 08-03-2006, 02:15

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Originally Posted by natbot89

anyone know the autopsy report or are they just assuming that the wolves killed him & it wasnt natural causes? Because it could be that he was already dead and the wolves were just feeding of the rotting carcass.

Is possible to know if the animal bite the man when he already is live, the position of the victim before the attack, if he have make any reaction, how much time he survive after the atack etc etc etc. ( this is about the man, not about the wolf that tey kill)
I take this from Wolf.org, I not belive that they would go put one sad notice like this whitout certainly of that the information is true.
About the wolf culprit, I not belive that tey can have certainly that is this wolf that bite the man and kill the man.

For this thought (kill the animal probably assassin), all the assassins (humans) would have to be died like these dogs/wolves that "probably" kill one human ( probably make acidents).

06-03-2006, 04:34	#1
Nebulosa Moderator Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Rio Grande do Sul Posts: 1,334	Wolf Attack in Canadá "Four Wolves Suspected in Man’s Death in Remote Area of Canada By Jess Edberg, Information Specialist -- International Wolf Center, 12/12/2005 An apparent wolf attack has been determined as the cause of death for 22-year-old Kenton Joel Carnegie, whose body was found on Tuesday, November 8, at Points North Landing near Wollaston Lake in the Canadian province of Saskatchewan, about 450 kilometers northeast of La Ronge. The main theory in this case is that Carnegie was attacked by a pack of four wolves seen in the area for some time that were showing signs of losing their natural fear of humans (an indication of habituation to humans), according to Saskatchewan Environment and Resource Management (SERM) wolf biologist Tim Trottier, who is investigating the case. There is also evidence that Carnegie and others had recently been interacting with the wolves at close range. Canadian wolf biologist Dr. Paul Paquet has also been investigating the incident and says that evidence points to approximately four wolves, based on blood and tracks present in the area. Investigating conservation officers, given permission to kill any wolves suspected in the incident, have killed two wolves from the area. Dr. Paquet’s examination of the animals showed cloth, hair and flesh in the large intestine that resembled human remains and are being tested for human origin. Paquet said that the wolves suspected of attacking Carnegie probably had prior human contact and that the attack was likely spurred by the animals’ interest in discarded food or garbage. “I suspect that ultimately we will find that these are garbage-habituated wolves that are either being inadvertently fed or intentionally fed in the area,” he said. “That is the common thread to most wolf attacks that I’ve investigated.” If wolves are proven to have killed Carnegie, it will be the first documented case of healthy, wild wolves killing a human in North America. Does this mean that all wolves should be considered a serious threat to humans living in or visiting wolf country? Not necessarily. Wolves and other wild animals have always been unpredictable. Bears, mountain lions, bison, moose and even domestic pets have been known to present a serious threat to people under certain circumstances. The danger may lie more in how we as humans behave in the presence of a wild animal and not the other way around. Tens of millions of human visitor days have been logged in wolf country without wolf attacks. Like other wild and domestic animals, wolves are responsive to the actions of humans. Humans have a remarkable ability to influence and shape animal behavior, whether that involves a black bear harassing campers for food after being fed by an eager photographer, a raccoon rummaging through your trash can when the lid is not secured, or a chickadee feeding contently at a backyard feeder while you watch through your kitchen window. Our actions have the potential to cause immediate and sometimes dangerous behavioral changes in wildlife. Wolves are probably no different from a chickadee in how susceptible they are to habituation. By avoiding contact with wildlife or providing negative stimulus in the presence of a bold animal (yelling, banging pots and pans, throwing sticks), also known as aversive conditioning, we may be able to avoid habituating animals to us. Could this regrettable event have been prevented with appropriate waste disposal and aversive conditioning by those encountering wolves? We cannot know; we can simply be aware of the potential danger of habituating wild animals to us and take action against it in the future."

07-03-2006, 18:33	#2
saschia Member Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Bratislava Posts: 936	This is a very sad event. Sad from the point of all interested - the killed man and his family and friends, the local and global wolves, people in general and wolf enthusiasts in particular. __________________ Saschia (Sasa Zahradnikova) http://www.chiens-loup-tchecoslovaqu...ei-et-damon.ws

08-03-2006, 01:10	#3
natbot89 Junior Member Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: New York Posts: 13	anyone know the autopsy report or are they just assuming that the wolves killed him & it wasnt natural causes? Because it could be that he was already dead and the wolves were just feeding of the rotting carcass.

08-03-2006, 02:05	#4
Dharkwolf Junior Member Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Brussels Posts: 201	It is interesting that you should raise the point. I am also very interested in the autopsy report though the corpse would hardly have been rotting - between the last minute when the victim was seen alive and when his body was found the interval was around 2-3 hours no more. There is something grotesque about the whole affair - however it does seem that three months after the incident there is still no available autopsy report at least not publically and probably not to his family either (I took the time to read through the site they set up especially to mourn). Given the great impact that the media has given this affair (apparently there have been 20 or so articles published) and the influence it is already having (many groups are already taking a stance of the issue - even Dr. Mech has had statements to say in this matter) it is unlikely that an unbiased autopsy report will ever be released - if it was to be released it would have happened by now. The death of the young student was tragic - regardless of whether he was killed by the wolves or died through some other mishap does not detract from the tragedy of the incident. It is also tragic that wolves will suffer for this in the end - regardless of the outcome of the autopsy. Three of the four wolves assiciated with the incident have already been shot - while it can be argued that it would be safe to shoot those animals responsible (if indeed they were responsible) wolves across the globe will pay for this - now everyone will look back to this incident and point to the wolf as a real man killer. It is I suppose ironic - one man allegedly killed by wolves and wolves across the world will suffer. Yet how many men have been killed by other men and what happens then?