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01-01-2011, 02:31 | #1 |
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Anyone have experience with a purebred wolf?
Hi all,
Just wondering if anyone on this board has any experience raising and living with a purebred wolf? There is a breeder in TX http://www.freewebs.com/wolfhavenspiritofthepast/ who breeds pure wolves for companions. As an Ethologist, I have always wanted to have a wolf or coyote as a companion - to see the "raw" canine nature - to study them in my own environment. The above breeder has several different strains that she breeds, all of them with different temperament characteristics. Of them, I am inclined towards the McKenzie Valley strain. I am not so interested in a hybrid, nor am I interested in breeding (I would spay/neuter at maturity) - I just want to experience living with a real wolf... |
01-01-2011, 03:24 | #2 | |
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Hey there,
I almost never post here but when I saw this post and I had to sign in to write a reply! Please stay FAR, FAR away from this breeder! They are very well known all through the ("american") wolfdog world as being some of the worst for misrepresentation and flat out lies. They certainly do not breed pure wolves, from the very few rather blurry pictures they put up of their dogs it's painfully obvious that they are low contents or dogs, most of all them. Here you can see them http://www.freewebs.com/wolfhavenspi...hourwolves.htm they are definitely a mix of malamute/husky/GSD and who knows what else but certainly very little if any wolf. They also have some very unlikely claims...here are some quotes. "The wolf is the lion of the North. They are called that because they are descendants from the same lineage as lions. Their eyes are that of a lion brown color and a thick mane runs around their neck and down their back. Females have shorter hair than males. They also have a cat-like bone structure. They can collapse and dislocate their joints. They can "collapse and dislocate their joints"??? And from the same lineage as lions....I have no idea where these ideas are coming from but I see no common sense. Anyway I would please advise to stay away from these breeders. If you actually want a pure wolf (and please, think it through carefully...all the facts on that website are completely fabricated) please find another more responsible breeder. Quote:
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01-01-2011, 03:37 | #3 |
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Thank you so much for your reply. My only link to the american wolfdog community is through this more international site - I have a vlcak...
I do agree some of the claims are a little much...!!! I am having a difficult time finding pure wolf breeders to even converse with let alone purchase a pup from - would love any guidance you could give me. And yes, I have been thinking long and hard - for many years - probably since I first got involved in Animal Behavior studies in college and studied the various wild canines (my 1993 BA major was Animal Behavior), about bringing a pure wolf into my life. I am in no rush - it would likely be a few years at least before I brought a wolf pup into my home, but I would like to find a responsible pure wolf breeder I could develop a mentor-type relationship with who I would eventually purchase a pup from. I am in no way interested in breeding wolves myself, so unless keeping the animal intact was required by the breeder, he (I would prefer a male) would be neutered at maturity. I am on Disability and only work part-time, so I do have the time to devote to the intense relationship requirements - and I have perhaps a different understanding of them than the average joe... Again, thank you and if you have some contacts or guidance for me, I would greatly appreciate it. |
01-01-2011, 16:57 | #4 | |
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if ,as you say,you had more of an understanding of them ,why on earth would you want one as a pet? also,without meaning to offend you in anyway... you also advocate pinch collars etc whilst training your dogs? what tool would you decide to use to 'control' your 'pet wolf'? of course a lot of people dream of living with a wolf...and imo it should stay just that, a dream...enjoy your csv and learn from them :-) happy new year all :-) |
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01-01-2011, 18:52 | #5 |
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If I had enough money, I would rather buy land where wild wolves could live their own life undisturbed by the activity of people. As that is not likely to come to pass, I buy trees instead. There is this organisation in Slovakia, which is buying land in Eastern Slovakia in Cergov mountains and which has build a private reservation there. By buying a tree, you help buy more land, where the wood is not cut and where animals can live freely and not hunted. Wolves live there too, so although I don't own a wolf, I own a piece of land where it can live its life. I would recommend everybody to find a similar organisation in his/her own country - or any other country and donate some money or efforts in this kind of direction. It is much better for the wolves than trying to own one.
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01-01-2011, 20:25 | #6 | |
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01-01-2011, 05:08 | #7 |
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Than go do it in the wild, where they behave natural
And if you really love wolves do not get one for your own good Best regards / Mikael
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01-01-2011, 10:24 | #8 |
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01-01-2011, 11:11 | #9 | |
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I am not sure about USA, but in most of countries in Europe it is illegal to keep a wild creature at home. This summer one family contacted me to ask what to do with a little sparrow, who was found out of it's nest - I contacted the ornitologist's organization, so they told that in fact they even had no right to take the sparrow home! And people so easily take wild animals as wolves and make them their pets - this is not "love for wolves" this is "look how cool I am", nothing more. I know this - I have similar feelings about ravens, a girl I know owns one, she found it injured. Amazingly interesting bird, very very intelectual (as much as I've read, more than even the big parrots), so I keep dreaming about also having one. But I am not afraid to admit it is an ego thing - it is interesting and fun for ME, also - haha - this looks cool, doesn't it? A lady with a "wolf" and a real raven Still this is not a reason to start looking for a raven... Last edited by Vaiva; 01-01-2011 at 11:20. |
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01-01-2011, 11:28 | #10 |
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Just a fake !
Hello and best wishes for new year 2011 to everyone here first of all !
As "Kootenay" has told here before it´s obvious that this "breeder" has not wolves but definitely dog- mixes, may be with more or less wolf-blood... You can see on the different photos without any doubt that these animals are no pure wolves. And at last i agree to the opinion of all the other posters here before: It is complete nonsense trying to keep a wolf as a pet ! I´m wondering about that this is need to be told ! Best greetings , Uli alias Silvester from Germany |
01-01-2011, 12:15 | #11 |
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Agree 100%!!!
Lunas Mom, you've probably realized that there is a lot of controversy going on here, people argue, disagree, confront each other, have conflicting interests, etc. But when MOST forum members, who normally have very different opinions agree on something it's very meaningful. Please, take this aspect under very careful consideration. |
01-01-2011, 12:34 | #12 |
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' Responsible' breeders of pure wolves would work to preserve the numbers in the wild, not make them for pet or even experimental private keeping.
I agree with Ina and for the life of me, can't understand who would look at that site (I've seen them before) and not just laugh.. I truly think that those people have mental problems. Besides, even if they were the real thing, I would never condone the keeping of some critically endangered animals like the Mexican wolf as a personal pet project... Last edited by yukidomari; 01-01-2011 at 12:44. |
01-01-2011, 11:26 | #13 | |
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For me private keeping of a wolf like you plan to do it is pure egoism and abuse of an animal. Even if you would have the money and space to keep him in an appropriate enclosure, is thinking of keeping one and thinking to be able to compensate the companionship of another wolf for him abusive and naive, even your wolfdogs can´t compensate. Sorry for those rude words but if you have been involved in behaviour studies worth this name you should know better. But don´t worry, you will get more than enough PMs of at least one member here.. Ina |
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