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Old 01-11-2010, 23:31   #1
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Reading a Norwegian article on Czechoslovakian Wolfdog in Wikipedia the author claim that the CSV/TWH is banned in Germany. Any information on the subject is welcommed.
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Old 01-11-2010, 23:51   #2
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Ha ha ha, it´s not April yet Per ;0)))))

Because clearly this must be a joke ;0)))))

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Old 02-11-2010, 00:02   #3
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It certainly is no joke, Mikael. The article is here and the autor's comment is here. Unfortunately in Norwegian only.

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Old 02-11-2010, 00:47   #4
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Thanks, I did read it all, I know 80% Norwegian ;0)

But I think it is just a BIG misunderstanding ;0)))

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Old 02-11-2010, 08:52   #5
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This is simply not true, they are not even on the dangerous dogs list but considered perfectly normal dogs.

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This is simply not true, they are not even on the dangerous dogs list but considered perfectly normal dogs.

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Thanks Ina But how do I prove it?
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This is a little bit difficult as every federal county of Germany can make it´s own law for it, the Gefahrenhundeverordnung, what means that you have to show up every counties law to proof. I would only write that there is no Gefahrenhundeverordnung that lists up CSWs.

Even if the breed would be seen as hybrids - what they aren´t - the owner would only have to fullfill several requierments - but it wouldn´t be banned totally.
Or if it would be listed on a dangerous dog list - what it also isn´t - it wouldn´t be banned in itself but you would have to fullfill other requirements.

As far as I can remember don´t we have any banned breed at all.

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Hi Per,

here is a link to the vdh (fci) http://www.vdh.de/rassenlexikon-deta...scherWolfshund where the breed standard is shown for the czechoslovakian wolfdog. So everybody can see that it is a recognized breed which is allowed to have and to be shown in dog shows. I guess you can put it in google translator for norvegian or english or maybe it is in english too on the website of the vdh.

I think that must help.

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As there are several registered breeds that are banned in countries I can´t see any proof in this.
There are also registered breeds with the VDH that are on dangerous dog lists...
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As there are several registered breeds that are banned in countries I can´t see any proof in this.
There are also registered breeds with the VDH that are on dangerous dog lists...
Excactly. The CSV/TWH is a FCI registered breed but nevertheless banned in Norway.
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How can a dog be banned and start in the biggest dog show in germany in Dortmund? If he is banned he even could not be there...

By the way Per, in germany wolfdogs are allowed from F 1. There is no definte law which forbites. The EU-law 318/2008 from 08.04.2008 says only that hybrids from F 1- F 4 from the wild(!) wolf are endangerend species, if there are stable populations in the wild! Even our german wild wolves do not have a stable population. That EU-law was made for countries like spain, greece, rumania and others, but of course not for germany.

On this Dangeranimals laws (Gefahrtierverordnung) from some countries in germany, is only said that you need a permission to have a preadtor like a wolf. In one country it is totally forbidden and in one only for the use for scientific research. But nothing is said about having hybrids. And as Ina wrote, the czechoslovakian wolfdog is on no dangerous doglist in germanys countries.
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You did ask how it is in germany and not how it is in norway! But are you allowed to show csw in Norway in dogshows? No, of course not. They would take away a csw at the border and kill the dog. So you see the difference! When I remember right, there are list from the dogs who appear in the shows on the website of the vdh. Here are the results from two weeks ago, please scroll down there you find the csw:

http://edienst.vdh.de/frontend/gesamt?z_id=7&fci=1

Maybe that is a proof?
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Hi Christian.

Thank you for your replies. The reason for asking the question is that the author of the Wiki article on CSV/TWH did not believe that Norway is the single country opposing a ban on the breed but argues that to his/her knowledge the breed is banned not only in Norway but in Germany as well.
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Hi Christian.

Thank you for your replies. The reason for asking the question is that the author of the Wiki article on CSV/TWH did not believe that Norway is the single country opposing a ban on the breed but argues that to his/her knowledge the breed is banned not only in Norway but in Germany as well.
There was a girl about two years ago, she wanted to get a CsV, but got the info that they was not OK for import to Iceland.

Do you know anything about Iceland´s dog law Per :0/ ???

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A bit off topic, but to my knowledge Iceland is very restrictive on importing dogs. I believe the keeping of dogs are allowed in Reykjavik, the capital of Iceland, but not elesewhere. I may be wrong about that
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Thanks Ina But how do I prove it?
That there is over 18 breeders of Cs Vlcak registred in Germany might help ;0)))))

>>> http://www.wolfdog.org/php/modules.p...els&country=DE

Just send him the link and the phone nr to the German Kennel Club ;0)

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That there is over 18 breeders of Cs Vlcak registred in Germany might help ;0)))))
You are a genius
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