My favourite csw

massimo · 18-05-2009, 17:51

I am going to propose to you something strange... particular:
an "election", nothing official or serious, just something I hope wil be interesting and funny.

What is your favourite CSW?
Categories:
Working-Training
Character-Family
Character-CSW
Head
Body
Wolfishness
Best reproducer

Rules for voting:
Character-Family and Character-CSW have been separated because many dogs are great dogs for living in a family with children, calm, quiet.
This is considered a great gift and it actually is.
But a calm and quiet dog is often also quite phlegmatic, indifferent, shy
Character-CSW instead includes dogs which are balanced but with a strong character, even dominant but which knows when to use his power and strength and are balanced in ANY occasion.
CSW standard says that a CSW must be "Lively, active, tough, obedient with quick reactions, fearless and courageous" today I unfortunately read that many owners don't care about standard, so I entered the -Family character for them, this is a game, nothing about standard!.
Please do not vote for dogs in Character categories if you haven't seen them in real life, it really makes no sense.
Wolfishness i mean that the dog has looks, posture of a wolf.
This category doesn't necessarily mean it's a perfect CSW, to my experience it actually it never is...but how fascinating they are anyway!
Best reproducer I mean the CSW that has given, according to you, the highest number of high quality sons and has passed along the best characteristics.
Please do NOT vote for dogs of less than 1 year of age, they are not "ready" for this election.

How to vote:
send me an email to this address [email protected] copying and pasting the categories indicated above and the name of the dog you want to vote (pedigree name)
I will post the election on the other languages too and at the end I will post the results of the top 5 for each category.
Election ends on 27th May, midday (10 days should be enough)

Any comment sent by email which goes beyond the election will be ignored, so don't expect a reply.
I can answer any question you want to make on the forum, not by email.

Vaiva · 19-05-2009, 15:55

Oh it is so hard

ESpecially hard to be really objective

massimo · 19-05-2009, 16:59

hehe...it's just a game!
some people put their own csw in every category!

of course...the more dogs you've seen...the more you can be objective.

Vaiva · 19-05-2009, 17:06

Quote:

Originally Posted by massimo

hehe...it's just a game!
some people put their own csw in every category!

of course...the more dogs you've seen...the more you can be objective.

I would also like to put my dog in every category

But I do not want people to think bad about me

saschia · 20-05-2009, 09:58

No, MY dog should be the winner of every category

Especially the best reproducer - she had 3 pups and all were adorable...

Vaiva · 20-05-2009, 11:32

Quote:

Originally Posted by saschia

No, MY dog should be the winner of every category

Especially the best reproducer - she had 3 pups and all were adorable...

Well, mine hadn't have puupies at all yet, but still she could be the best in that too

Angelika · 20-05-2009, 12:11

Quote:

Originally Posted by massimo

What is your favourite CSW?

Ooooh .... I´m in two minds. Is Danja better than Fajdal or vice versa? Impossible to decide - loooool

massimo · 20-05-2009, 12:18

So, i had several requests telling me that I should separate males from females.
Ok.
Also, it seems it's not so easy to vote or to understand how to vote, so I will make an example HERE.
This is MY vote.
Please don't send your votes on the forum but to my address as mentioned before.
This is just an example, my example.

----------------------------------Male/ Female
Working-Training :-------------Hero Od Uhosti / Upstream Ariminnum
Character-Family:--------------Induk Passo del Lupo/Upstream Ariminnum
Character-CSW:----------------Lorenz Farouk Ariminnum/Upstream Ariminnum
Head:---------------------------Galiba Crying Wolf/Mona z krotkovskeho dvora
Body:---------------------------Oliver Passo del Lupo/Ulicnice z molu es
Wolfishness:------------------Galiba Crying Wolf/Mona z krotkovskeho dvora
Best reproducer:---------..---Grey z Molu es/Amalka od Bulicinku

I also posted on other forums of other languages.
If you write on those forums, could you add the info about males and females?

Vaiva · 20-05-2009, 16:46

Oh, yes, I also like public relations

Maybe we should all simply put the dogs we like most here - this would be really fear

Kerstin · 20-05-2009, 17:26

Quote:

Originally Posted by massimo

hehe...it's just a game!
some people put their own csw in every category!

of course...the more dogs you've seen...the more you can be objective.

Sure. And the more dogs I see, the more I love my own ones :-)
Do you really think you ll get many objective opinions? I wish you will, but I would be suprised if so

Quote:

Originally Posted by Vaiva

I would also like to put my dog in every category

But I do not want people to think bad about me

Don't worry. I think we all feel the same. And I am pretty sure Massismo will get e-mails like this! Best dog: mine. Best working dog: mine. Best reproducer: Me & my dog. And so on...

Quote:

Originally Posted by Vaiva

Well, mine hadn't have puupies at all yet, but still she could be the best in that too

Yes let's wait. I can tell you in a week. But I am absolutely sure I will love these puppies. First when they will be born and later when they grow up. They will be wonderful dogs, just like their parents.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Vaiva

Oh, yes, I also like public relations

Maybe we should all simply put the dogs we like most here - this would be really fear

This will happen anyway. I wonder how many objective answers he will get

I have seen so much jealousy and bad talk lately that I will not be suprised, about anything. But it does not matter. Not to me and not to the dogs.

Maybe I should write this mail to Massimo :-) for more dogs and more impressions. Massimo: I really hope you will publish all your information. Real nice suspenceful game.

Regards,
Kerstin

massimo · 20-05-2009, 19:18

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kerstin

This will happen anyway. I wonder how many objective answers he will get

I have seen so much jealousy and bad talk lately that I will not be suprised, about anything. But it does not matter. Not to me and not to the dogs.
Maybe I should write this mail to Massimo :-) for more dogs and more impressions. Massimo: I really hope you will publish all your information. Real nice suspenceful game.

Go on Kerstin, why not start sending yourself an objective judgement?
As you can see from my vote, i put my own dog only in ONE category, as honestly, considering his age, I never saw a better physical structure than oliver's, but i didn't put him in any other.
Believe me, i did get a couple of "mine mine mine" votes but they won't count much as nobody else will vote "his his his" so 1 vote doesn't go far!
Of course it all depends on what you have seen.
Mostly the italians are playing, the non Italians seem "too serious" for this kind of fun...strange...that's what I remember during summer camps in front of the fire...
Massimo

Hanka · 21-05-2009, 05:56

Hello Massimo, I thought about my voting...I can´t be objective. For example in YOUR voting is a few dogs, what give to children very serious health problems......
So I will watch with pleasure the results, but I will not vote, sorry. bye bye

Kerstin · 21-05-2009, 13:42

Quote:

Originally Posted by massimo

Go on Kerstin, why not start sending yourself an objective judgement?
As you can see from my vote, i put my own dog only in ONE category, as honestly, considering his age, I never saw a better physical structure than oliver's, but i didn't put him in any other.

Massimo, I am NOT objective. Noone of us is. And especially in the categorie working it is very hard to judge, because I work with my own dogs only. So I can only jugde HOW they work. And this is not the same with the titles or exams they have. They work wonderful.

Working-Training: see above
Character-Family: I don't know how you mean this.
Character-CSW: It is really hard to judge the character of of a dog I have only seen for a couple of minutes

- so it is hard to be fair. Sure I know the character of my dogs.

Head: Well, this is a nice one, which I could answer
Body: Yes. They all have bodies.
Wolfishness: Uuh, the looks of a wolf? Ok, maybe similar to the wolf head.
Best reproducer: I don't have a clue. I am pretty sure, I know a dog, which gives his good charakter as well as some other things. You mean this, yes? Or is it giving parts of themselves to the puppies? Looks, body and whatever?

I suppose I ll tell you at the fireplace

even with a smile...

Regards,
Kerstin

massimo · 21-05-2009, 14:39

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kerstin

Massimo, I am NOT objective. Noone of us is. And especially in the categorie working it is very hard to judge, because I work with my own dogs only. So I can only jugde HOW they work. And this is not the same with the titles or exams they have. They work wonderful.

gosh...you guys take yourselves too seriously...nobody is asking you to choose the best wolfdog in the world...I'm sure you have your own opinions.
Anyway, no problem really, it's not so important.

I don't wanna know in front of fireplace, I wanna know now.
If not, no hard feelings, it's really not important!

Mikael · 21-05-2009, 20:17

I think this is a grate topic Massimo

Even if just fur fun, as nobody knows or have meet all CsV in the World.
But I think all owners and kennels have there favourites and not just there own dogs

My own dog is not in any of the categories in my opinion, but he is the CsV in the world I love the most

I will send you my votes in all categories later and be as fair as I can.
But it is hard to judge best character when I only just meet a few CsV in real life...

Very best regards / Mikael

massimo · 27-05-2009, 03:11

Tomorrow I'll send out results
Not many "non italians" voted and this will be evident by results.
If anybody wants to "vote", you can still do it till midday
massimo

massimo · 27-05-2009, 18:51

Here are the results!
Unfortunately not many votes so the results have really little meaning and mostly referred to dogs in Italy because the non italian votes were only 5 out of 27 total.
I indicated dogs who got 3 votes or more, the dogs who got 1 or 2 votes are not mentioned.

Working-Training
Males: Uno z Molu es - 4/22 - 18%
Females: Upstream Ariminnum - 5/13 - 38%

Males
Character-Family
Males: Misha Pdl - 3/15 - 20%
Females: Upstream Ariminnum - 3/18 - 16%

Character-CSW
Maschi: None got more than 2 votes
Females: Upstream Ariminnum - 4/16 - 25%

Head
Maschi: Galiba Crying Wolf 4/22 - 18%
Females:
1) G'Maya Zlata Palz 6/18 - 33%
2) Jasna Zlata Palz 4/18 - 22%

Body
Males: Oliver Passo del lupo - 5/21 - 24%
Females:
Ex Equo Ulicnice z Molu es & Renia Passo del lupo - 3/15 - 20%

Wolfishness
Males:
Ex Equo Galiba Crying Wolf & Dredo (Anouk) - 3/19 - 16%
Females:
1) Jasna Zlata Palz - 6/19 - 31%
2) G'Maya Zlata Palz - 3/19 - 16%

Best reproducer
Males: None got more than 2 votes
Females: Jolly z Molu es - 3/15 - 20%

Juniorwolf · 27-05-2009, 19:38

Quote:

Originally Posted by massimo

Working-Training
Males: Uno z Molu es - 4/22 - 18%

Did 3 other people than my self actually vote on Uno(I guess 4/22 = 4 votes out of 22 possible votes in this category) ???

If it is so, I am very honoured

Thanks to all who voted on Uno ...beers are on me

Rolf

Mikael · 27-05-2009, 22:34

Quote:

Originally Posted by massimo

Here are the results!
Unfortunately not many votes so the results have really little meaning and mostly referred to dogs in Italy because the non italian votes were only 5 out of 27 total.
I indicated dogs who got 3 votes or more, the dogs who got 1 or 2 votes are not mentioned.

Working-Training
Males: Uno z Molu es - 4/22 - 18%
Females: Upstream Ariminnum - 5/13 - 38%

Males
Character-Family
Males: Misha Pdl - 3/15 - 20%
Females: Upstream Ariminnum - 3/18 - 16%

Character-CSW
Maschi: None got more than 2 votes
Females: Upstream Ariminnum - 4/16 - 25%

Head
Maschi: Galiba Crying Wolf 4/22 - 18%
Females:
1) G'Maya Zlata Palz 6/18 - 33%
2) Jasna Zlata Palz 4/18 - 22%

Body
Males: Oliver Passo del lupo - 5/21 - 24%
Females:
Ex Equo Ulicnice z Molu es & Renia Passo del lupo - 3/15 - 20%

Wolfishness
Males:
Ex Equo Galiba Crying Wolf & Dredo (Anouk) - 3/19 - 16%
Females:
1) Jasna Zlata Palz - 6/19 - 31%
2) G'Maya Zlata Palz - 3/19 - 16%

Best reproducer
Males: None got more than 2 votes
Females: Jolly z Molu es - 3/15 - 20%

Congratulations to all

and thanks Massimo

Best regards / Mikael

18-05-2009, 17:51	#1
massimo Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Prague 6 Posts: 2,090	My favourite csw I am going to propose to you something strange... particular: an "election", nothing official or serious, just something I hope wil be interesting and funny. What is your favourite CSW? Categories: Working-Training Character-Family Character-CSW Head Body Wolfishness Best reproducer Rules for voting: Character-Family and Character-CSW have been separated because many dogs are great dogs for living in a family with children, calm, quiet. This is considered a great gift and it actually is. But a calm and quiet dog is often also quite phlegmatic, indifferent, shy Character-CSW instead includes dogs which are balanced but with a strong character, even dominant but which knows when to use his power and strength and are balanced in ANY occasion. CSW standard says that a CSW must be "Lively, active, tough, obedient with quick reactions, fearless and courageous" today I unfortunately read that many owners don't care about standard, so I entered the -Family character for them, this is a game, nothing about standard!. Please do not vote for dogs in Character categories if you haven't seen them in real life, it really makes no sense. Wolfishness i mean that the dog has looks, posture of a wolf. This category doesn't necessarily mean it's a perfect CSW, to my experience it actually it never is...but how fascinating they are anyway! Best reproducer I mean the CSW that has given, according to you, the highest number of high quality sons and has passed along the best characteristics. Please do NOT vote for dogs of less than 1 year of age, they are not "ready" for this election. How to vote: send me an email to this address [email protected] copying and pasting the categories indicated above and the name of the dog you want to vote (pedigree name) I will post the election on the other languages too and at the end I will post the results of the top 5 for each category. Election ends on 27th May, midday (10 days should be enough) Any comment sent by email which goes beyond the election will be ignored, so don't expect a reply. I can answer any question you want to make on the forum, not by email. __________________ ---------- Oliver & Lunatica

19-05-2009, 15:55	#2
Vaiva ir Brukne Join Date: May 2006 Location: Vilnius Posts: 1,768	Oh it is so hard ESpecially hard to be really objective __________________ Walkiria Girios dvasia

19-05-2009, 16:59	#3
massimo Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Prague 6 Posts: 2,090	hehe...it's just a game! some people put their own csw in every category! of course...the more dogs you've seen...the more you can be objective. __________________ ---------- Oliver & Lunatica

20-05-2009, 09:58	#5
saschia Member Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Bratislava Posts: 936	No, MY dog should be the winner of every category Especially the best reproducer - she had 3 pups and all were adorable... __________________ Saschia (Sasa Zahradnikova) http://www.chiens-loup-tchecoslovaqu...ei-et-damon.ws

20-05-2009, 12:18	#8
massimo Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Prague 6 Posts: 2,090	So, i had several requests telling me that I should separate males from females. Ok. Also, it seems it's not so easy to vote or to understand how to vote, so I will make an example HERE. This is MY vote. Please don't send your votes on the forum but to my address as mentioned before. This is just an example, my example. ----------------------------------Male/ Female Working-Training :-------------Hero Od Uhosti / Upstream Ariminnum Character-Family:--------------Induk Passo del Lupo/Upstream Ariminnum Character-CSW:----------------Lorenz Farouk Ariminnum/Upstream Ariminnum Head:---------------------------Galiba Crying Wolf/Mona z krotkovskeho dvora Body:---------------------------Oliver Passo del Lupo/Ulicnice z molu es Wolfishness:------------------Galiba Crying Wolf/Mona z krotkovskeho dvora Best reproducer:---------..---Grey z Molu es/Amalka od Bulicinku I also posted on other forums of other languages. If you write on those forums, could you add the info about males and females? __________________ ---------- Oliver & Lunatica

20-05-2009, 16:46	#9
Vaiva ir Brukne Join Date: May 2006 Location: Vilnius Posts: 1,768	Oh, yes, I also like public relations Maybe we should all simply put the dogs we like most here - this would be really fear __________________ Walkiria Girios dvasia

21-05-2009, 05:56	#12
Hanka Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Kadaň Posts: 1,622	Hello Massimo, I thought about my voting...I can´t be objective. For example in YOUR voting is a few dogs, what give to children very serious health problems...... So I will watch with pleasure the results, but I will not vote, sorry. bye bye

21-05-2009, 20:17	#15
Mikael Scandinavian Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Stockholm Posts: 1,089	I think this is a grate topic Massimo Even if just fur fun, as nobody knows or have meet all CsV in the World. But I think all owners and kennels have there favourites and not just there own dogs My own dog is not in any of the categories in my opinion, but he is the CsV in the world I love the most I will send you my votes in all categories later and be as fair as I can. But it is hard to judge best character when I only just meet a few CsV in real life... Very best regards / Mikael __________________ _________________________________________________ Hronec, Rasty, Zilja Kennel, Wolfdog of Sweden* http://kennelwolfdogofsweden.vpsite.se/Home.html http://www.facebook.com/pages/Wolfdo...53067971392916

27-05-2009, 03:11	#16
massimo Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Prague 6 Posts: 2,090	Tomorrow I'll send out results Not many "non italians" voted and this will be evident by results. If anybody wants to "vote", you can still do it till midday massimo __________________ ---------- Oliver & Lunatica

27-05-2009, 18:51	#17
massimo Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Prague 6 Posts: 2,090	Here are the results! Unfortunately not many votes so the results have really little meaning and mostly referred to dogs in Italy because the non italian votes were only 5 out of 27 total. I indicated dogs who got 3 votes or more, the dogs who got 1 or 2 votes are not mentioned. Working-Training Males: Uno z Molu es - 4/22 - 18% Females: Upstream Ariminnum - 5/13 - 38% Males Character-Family Males: Misha Pdl - 3/15 - 20% Females: Upstream Ariminnum - 3/18 - 16% Character-CSW Maschi: None got more than 2 votes Females: Upstream Ariminnum - 4/16 - 25% Head Maschi: Galiba Crying Wolf 4/22 - 18% Females: 1) G'Maya Zlata Palz 6/18 - 33% 2) Jasna Zlata Palz 4/18 - 22% Body Males: Oliver Passo del lupo - 5/21 - 24% Females: Ex Equo Ulicnice z Molu es & Renia Passo del lupo - 3/15 - 20% Wolfishness Males: Ex Equo Galiba Crying Wolf & Dredo (Anouk) - 3/19 - 16% Females: 1) Jasna Zlata Palz - 6/19 - 31% 2) G'Maya Zlata Palz - 3/19 - 16% Best reproducer Males: None got more than 2 votes Females: Jolly z Molu es - 3/15 - 20% __________________ ---------- Oliver & Lunatica