electrical collars

[krala]

Hi everybody!

I have started using a electrical collar recently on my dog (krala 13 months old). It really does work, but it really makes me feal bad for hurting the dog.
Are there any side efects to the use of the electrical collar? I am mostly worried by heart problems..

I should probably mentionn that I have bought the damn collar because I could no longer let the dog out of the leash. She attcked all female dogs in the park, never came or stoped when I called at her and one night she even attacked a man in the park. Not to mentionn that she almost got killed by sheep dogs as she was hunting all sorts of farm animals in the fields where we walk..
Now she gets to run free and when I call her, if she does not come I use the collar. It's painfull .. but very efficient.

Is this wrong?

Thanks..
Ioana
Romania

[Hanka]

Hello Romania,
I think, it is wrong. You try repair your mistakes by electrical collar. 13 months old wolfdog is puppy. I think, you did some big mistake during your behavior. But it is not possible to see it (for us), because we can´t see your puppy..........I think, it is sad.
I think, electrical collar can be good for some big problem of ADULT dog, especially male. Not for your puppy. Maybe, you see, it helps you, but......For me is sad to read your question.
bye Hanka

[btd]

Not that I'm wise and full of knowledge, but maybe wolfdog isn't for you?
From what you have written I see that you can't socialize and even educate your dog.
Attacking dogs and men? Come on, go find as fast as you can some professional trainer or behaviorist before someone gets your wolfdog killed !

[Per Olav]

Hi Ioanna.

I found this article on short and long term effects of using shock collars very useful.

Cheers

[Mikael]

Hmmmm

Stop using the collar, PLEASE

And attend on a dog course instead...and it is urgent, no time to lose !!!
Call the club today...

And I think you are to have the dog in lease for now...

Is this your first dog ??? and did you atend on a puppy course ???
And have you talkt to your Breeder about this problems ???
Maby she/he can help you, or take the dog back if you can not get this problem under control ???

Good Luck, regards / Mikael

[woland77]

Originally Posted by Hanka

Hello Romania,
I think, it is wrong. You try repair your mistakes by electrical collar. 13 months old wolfdog is puppy. I think, you did some big mistake during your behavior. But it is not possible to see it (for us), because we can´t see your puppy..........I think, it is sad.
I think, electrical collar can be good for some big problem of ADULT dog, especially male. Not for your puppy. Maybe, you see, it helps you, but......For me is sad to read your question.
bye Hanka

Hanka talk well..Personally I think the electric collar is permissible only on n adult dog with serious problems, like a last resort, as an alternative to kill the dog!

[krala]

wow..do I feel bad now..

Thanks for all your answers!
I can tell you that the electrical collar really was a last resort thing.
My dog had 2 trainers, the first at 5 months, she bit and thore his trousers, then the guy would not answer my phone calls. The second one at 11 months, she thore his t-shirt, the guy did not come anymore...
Since I have had her, we have been in the park with other dogs every day, she came everywhere with us, in the city center, on hollydays etc so she is very well socialized, but one day she was playing nicely with one female dog and the next she was attacking it..
She is incredible protective of me. Today she bit a person that aproached my friend. She would not stop when I called her but stoped when I used the collar...

I am certainly not using the collar to teach her dog tricks... But what am I to do when she bites someone ?! I am hoping that she will understand that she needs to listen to me and than stop using the thing. I have a friend that did just that..

But if anyone has some other ideas.. I am more than thankful for them..

ioana

[Mikael]

Originally Posted by krala

wow..do I feel bad now..

I am certainly not using the collar to teach her dog tricks... But what am I to do when she bites someone ?! I am hoping that she will understand that she needs to listen to me and than stop using the thing. I have a friend that did just that..

But if anyone has some other ideas.. I am more than thankful for them..

ioana

I think that the day it all turned arount she become leader of the pack.
using the collar vil therefore not help at all !!!

Train her in lease !!! And if she do not listen at all take her fore a wrestling match, but make sure to not hert her, after that you get her on the ground, sit on her steady, and tell her that you are the pack leader.

Important nr 1, when she gives up you pet her and tell her that she is good, to give her self to you, after about 1-2 minute you stand up and let the dog up ( on comand if posible)

Important nr 2, you will always have to win, otherwise it will get worse !!!

Important nr 3, you are the one to do this, not your trainer !!!

If it does not work do it again and again , until she understands.

And go a dog course to !!! they are to help you whit this if it is a good club...

Regards / Mikael

[Nebulosa]

Elletric collars commonly isn't used for training, but for correct some little imperfections at commands in a working dogs that will make official exams, like Schutzhund and IPO.
The dog may not fear your command because the shock, he must respect you and because this obey, he must see you as the leader of the pack.

But what am I to do when she bites someone ?!

And what would you do if she really attack someone? coock her with the eletric collar? Eletric collar isn't painfull enought to stop an furious attack when you have no control of the dog and when the dogs really thinks that attack is needed.

Are there any side efects to the use of the electrical collar? I am mostly worried by heart problems..

The eletric colla rmust cause only a strange fellin in the dog necks, isn't painfull but isn't good, that's why you must test the eletric collar in your neck BEFORE use it in the dog, in this way you will know how strong is the collar and if you need up or down the strenght of the shock.

My dog had 2 trainers, the first at 5 months, she bit and thore his trousers, then the guy would not answer my phone calls. The second one at 11 months, she thore his t-shirt, the guy did not come anymore...

What good trainers you had find, they're only accustumate to traine lazy dogs basic commands?!
First of all, I don't think you will find easly a good trainer, but believe me, worst than it is find a good trainer that are able to traine a wolfdog or that have th eminimally good experience with the breed, principally in your country wich czW not seems to be a common breed.
That's why before you chose this breed, you must read and know that this is a difficult breed wich need a very experienced owner and be aware that you cannot count with the help of supposed proffessionals if you have behaviour problems with your dog, normally the breeder must be prepared to help in this case.

She is incredible protective of me. Today she bit a person that aproached my friend.

Agressive reaction not ever means protective in corageous and guard way, but commonly a bad unthinkied reaction for fear and untrusth wich sometimes make us think in a corageous but reactive dog.

I am hoping that she will understand that she needs to listen to me and than stop using the thing.

Maybe, if you're able to make her conect your command to the shock, but this is to much strong for a 13 months old puppie wich have no head and is only testing the leardership of the owner... this if she already not take your place as alpha because the lack of a good and strong leader in the moment.

but when you use eletric collar to training the dog like it some dogs can start to show a better resistence against the shock with the time, even stop to gives attention to it, it would be a really big problem if she be trained only with the eletric collar without respect you really. That means, you cannot be dependent of the eletric collar, or probably you and your dog will have future problems because the eletric collar and because it's bad use.

Please, first of all NOT leave she outleash even she be an educate girl wich respect you and wich you have full control, this surelly will avoid accidents and problems for you, you must take the leader place at your home, fight for leadership is almost a dispute to see who have hardest head, you or the dog? Surelly you must see more stubborn than your dog for win.

- Feed her 3 or 2 times per day, you put her food at the dish and call her, gave 5 minuts for her comes and if she not comes you take out the food and save it on a properlly place, only gaves food for her again in the next round, she can refuse eat for 3 or 5 days, not brake your hearth for it and continues, when she be really with hungry she will comes and eat when you call.

- Try go to long walks with her AT LEASH, if she start to pull you or try to path the direction you stop and only back walk when she acept stop, if she start to guide you simple go in the contrary direction even if you need pulling her at the direction you want.

- At house some dominant dogs like to lie down blocking the corridor or doors passage, if she do that you may not jump for divert of her, but take her out of this place for you pass.

- Before gives gifths to her you may charge little exercices for she win the gifth, like sit or down, only after she makes what you want you may gives the gift.

Never forgeth, leaders are stubborn, hard head and selfish, you must be too.

In a beauty day she is down sleeping at sofa, you want sit in this sofa, why not sit EXACTLY where she is sleeping, making her go to another place?
Stole her play at the moment that she is having funny?

This is an exemple that will depend of the dog reaction against you in this situation, you must be aware that some dogs growl and even try to gives one advertence bite in these moments, you cannot fear your dog, if she try do it you can have a more energetic reaction.

Please, contact the breeders and talk about your problems with the dog, maybe the breeder will be able to help you with his experience.

Hide your eletric collar and only takes it again when you have a really well trained dog and need it for put perfection in the comands before you go to a working trial with your dog... I think you wont need it with a CzW anymore.