Crying Wolf - kennel

[hanninadina]

Hi Frank,

I am wondering about your announce mentioned above about your litter: On one picture we can see Merlin but on the other it is not Ossa! It looks like a wolfhybrid. Please tell us more about.

I have to tell you that I was 2 years the owner of a sister to Merlin, Myla Crying Wolf. I got her with 5 and half weeks from Edit. She was living with us in the house. I can say that it was really possible to go by metro bus, warehouse under lots of people and so on. She was perfect sozialized. This one thing. She has HD B, what is ok! The other thing is that she could behave like a wolf. It means she could open every car door even they were closed by key. She got out of every kennel. She could jump from 4 meters like a cat. She is 64 cm by 32,4 kg. She was very wild when people came to visit us. Wild but friendly. But she was mobbing other bitches too.

So Ossa is a very nice female. The brother Orpheus now called Magni will live in 3 weeks here in my town in germany Hannover. But he has bad hips he has HD D! So if Edit did HD-Test Xrayed the hips pf Ossa, I am wondering why it doesn´t stand on www.wolfdog.org?

So Frank, what is wrong? But it is true you have made a real nice litter!!! And I remember when I saw the puppies with 5,5 weeks that the 4 boys were really calm and the two ladies had lots of power.

So it is not so bad as some here mean. I own now U´Tala z Molu Es. Myla is with a friend of mine who had more time to look for her and he has 13 years experience. She was also mobbing my Briard boy. And because he is a gentleman he did nothing. It was very hard for me to give her away and I wanted her back after 10 days but the new owner likes her a lot. He is not a real friend I know him about a csw breeder who made the contact.

So from my point of view you can´t make things wrong if you buy a puppy from him. But you have to be aware that Crying wolf dogs are really hard ones. They are not like a normal dog they are in some kinds more like a wolf and they have 32 % wolfblood.

Greetings

Christian

[hanninadina]

Hi Wolfin,

there is a brother to Merlin and Myla he is called Mephisto and living in Finland with Suski. So far I heard he is kind of aggressiv and doesn´t like people. But he is living more outside and has not much contact so he isnot socialized good. But Crying wolf dogs are not easy to handle that know everybody. But they are good dogs. And I could work with Myla, she was just a week befroe companion test. Crying wolf from this litter (mother Mona and fahter Hero) is quite fascinating and even so the parents to Ossa.

Christian

PS: Look for Myla Crying wolf in the galery there you can find some pics of her training with my 9 year old daughter at that time!!!

[Wolfsirius]

HANNINADINA; i would like to know where is your info about Mephisto coming from?

Mephisto IS NOT AGRESSIVE to people, NOT SHY, or dangerous.Mephisto was adult as came by us, get used to live outside, and cant live inside the house cause cats, and kids.

(i dont keep adult wolfdog with kids if they are not used to it, basic reason why he is livin outside)
All wolfdogs who's lived with us since they were puppy are excellent with kids.

Mephisto have daily contact with people. He is not EASY DOG AT ALL, but not as you described him.
Have you met him?

-Suski, from Finland

[wolfin]

Originally Posted by hanninadina

So from my point of view you can´t make things wrong if you buy a puppy from him. But you have to be aware that Crying wolf dogs are really hard ones. They are not like a normal dog they are in some kinds more like a wolf and they have 32 % wolfblood.

sorry but this your saying is not right

i have Geryon z Peronowki, father this dogs Kondor have Sarik-wolf, realy wolf, and Geryon is very closely with real wolf he have 30,56% and have realy wolf in 5 generation.
and i NOT HAVE problem with hem, he is normal and very friendly dogs.

all problems with CW i think is from not good socialization in breders kennel, as puppys born and young dogs living as wolf, not contacts and socialization training, now he have problems.

i see some CW dogs and puppys in real, and dogs be fatal with behavior. Owners mas very long training this dogs, than he be half normal dogs

[hanninadina]

Hi Suski, oh so my information are wrong. I am sorry, but I thought they were real. I apolagize!!! So, we get together that tehy are not easy to handle.

Hi Wolfin,

so you see that Mephisto is too not a problem dog! First of all. But you are right that the socialization doesn´t not happen, the socialization to people. But Edit sells the puppies normaly with 5,5 weeks and this is a good age so puppies won´t miss a thing. As Frank and I told you, we could go everywhere without any harm.

Your example with your new G-puppy from Margo. You have a puppy, if there will be problems they will start not now but later, when your dog will be adult!!! But Margo does very good socializaton so you have a really good base. So it seems to me that you don´t know really the dogs from Edit, do you? Some are really shy ones. But a shy one is not a problem for people!

Bye for now

Christian

[jasmine]

no,this topic is not about the puppy age...and please don't pretend that you don't understand what I have written before!
or...if you don't undestand it would be better to come back to the french site.......................sorry...but I have lost my tolerance in this case.....

[elf]

Childishness answers.
I was reading this thread because of johnslawek. And was astonished to read hanninadina saying you sell puppies the age of 5,5 weeks. If I want to write straight about a breeding point or another no problem for me and I wrote it this way: http://www.wolfdog.org/forum/showpos...&postcount=111

[jasmine]

how do you dare to use John Slawek for your disgusting intricts?????
Shame on you!!!!

[elf]

No shame here, please stop this king of insinuation. Reading old messages written by John Slawek to know more about him ? I see no problem. As I told you and show you in de la Louve Blanche thread I don't need any artefact to tell straight people what I want.

The only shame I see here, is the problem you have answering clearly questions about your way of breeding, especillay the way you breed regarding HD. I told in the other thread the way HD allele propagate into the breed. A more adult and serious approach from you would be to explain why you mate dogs with so much bad HD pedigree ? With which statistical results ? Or to tell if you made some changes meanwhile, why, and how ? Why you make mating around 20% consanguinity on 5 gen whereas the time is to take care of diversity in the breed ? The answers you would provide can be useful for anyone, so please stop your childish attitude putting the head on the floor or escaping behind lame answers. It's early time for the breed to think about health first. I can already tell you that the number of disease will increase rather fast, especially heart side. No more for me.

Hi Christian, I know not bad wolfdogs and always asks people when I don't know something (especially Nicole Wilde I consider as one of the very best for wolfdogs), I can tell you 6 weeks is to early (if you need reference about this send me a PM I would send you scientist publications about it), this often leads to hyperactivity trouble (if all is nice with your Myla it's all good, but one cannot expect it's the rule for pups separated the age of 6 weeks for the mother). Wolfdogs the age of 8 weeks have no problem to make strong bond with the owner, and this give 4 more weeks for the owner to make efficient socialisation. All this phase correspond of well know cognitive development.

[jasmine]

I'm just wondering why do you think that the hd results on the wolfdog database are correct and complete????? I must tell you it is not correct and not complete!!!Moreover we have very strict examination,and maybe I could bring my dogs to some other countries for better results.......but I won't do that!
About my attitude: those who know me they know I'm very direct person...not hide behinde the curtain..and I'm very critical especial my own dogs...but..I'm so sorry elf...I think not you are the right person who could tell me what should I do:
my results and satisfied owner of my dogs are justify me.
If you wouldn't minde I would stop this usless communication with you!

[wolfin]

Originally Posted by hanninadina

Your example with your new G-puppy from Margo. You have a puppy, if there will be problems they will start not now but later, when your dog will be adult!!!

i'm sorry but i am not a beginner in this breed. i am a breeder and judge of czechoslovakian wolfdogs. i already passed some exams, took part in many dog shows and meetings and summer camps. i know that puppies get adult but wolfblood have less to do with character of the dog. proper socialisation is much much more important. if the puppy has no contact with people it will play no role if you will take it with 5,5 weeks or 5,5months it will stay shy. like wolf.

Originally Posted by hanninadina

So it seems to me that you don´t know really the dogs from Edit, do you?

i am sure i saw more CW dogs than you. i saw many in summer camps, metings and dog shows. and the only one with good character was Karlik - but he was also not very stable. the rest was shy like wolves...

Originally Posted by hanninadina

Some are really shy ones. But a shy one is not a problem for people!

what are you telling? do you know the breed standard? shyness is disqualification fault. so don't tell here that it is no problem. such dogs do not pass bonitations and should not be use for breeding

PS. i know german language and i read german forum and i see that you write there that CW dogs live in very bad conditions and it is why they are shy

[jasmine]

Hello Hannibal, Daiva and others!


That's very nice start a new topic with my kennel name! And I'm just woundering how many dogs have you ever seen from my kennel? And please tell me which one's were dangerous,agreesive and unhandable????
And please tell me how long do you deal with this breed , how many pups you have, how many csw wolfdogs have you got?

Please try to give the minimum respect to each other!
Take into the consideration that we work for the same aim and same breed and of course not the same way, but it's not a bad thing!What I like is else what you like, but we are different!
But write a lot of bad things about people and dogs and kennels you have never seen, never met.....???For me is very strange!

Frank never mind: your pups will be very nice!


Edit

[Rona]

Originally Posted by jasmine

and others!
That's very nice start a new topic with my kennel name! And I'm just woundering how many dogs have you ever seen from my kennel?

I haven't seen any dogs from your kennel and I haven't written a single word about YOUR dogs. We were just discussing with Christian the qualities of shy dogs and trying to sort out if they're dangerous for people or not. We were talking of ANY shy dogs of ANY breed, mind you .

It sometimes happen that a topic may lead to interesting discussions on other subjects -

[wolfin]

Originally Posted by jasmine

And please tell me how long do you deal with this breed , how many pups you have, how many csw wolfdogs have you got?

not the quantity is important but the quality. one of the best american breeders said that the best kennel is a kennel where dogs have good live. when they live at homes with their families. where there is no more dogs as 5.
only such breeders can take care of their dogs, can socialise the pups, can take care for interesting couples. so are the good kennels - the rest is just production.

i live in Lithuania - it is very far away from Slovakia and Czech. but i was able to breed CSW on the right way - i was able to make bonitation of my dogs and use dogs which have also the bonitation. i train my dogs so the have also working exams - it is very important because it is working breed. so i dont unterstand breeders which breed dogs without bonitation, without x-rays and without working exams....

i like very much to look of your dogs (i am in love with Galiba) but i write what i see - i see many very shy dogs. maybe the owners are not ok and make nothing with the pups but they told always it was no their problem because the pups were from begining shy...
but as as breeder i have an other problem - it is results of the hd. how you want to make the breed better when you make couples of two dogs hd-b or two dogs hd-c. it is not right, it is not ok. best example is ossa - in 2 genetations 4!!! of 6 dogs do not have good hips. is see ossa is a very nice dog but as breeding dog it is not nice when there is so many displasy in the pedigree

[Liesbeth]

Hi,

I have a female puppy (3,5 months old) of Tcheska Elsi de Louba Tar and Merlin Crying Wolf. She's very beautiful and I love her very much (of course I do). She had a very good socialisation (by the breeder and also here, with me). I take her to the puppy-class, in the car, we go to restaurants together and so on... But I have to admit she's not as social as my other dog, Karma-Jennah van Goverwelle (8 months old). I gave her the same 'education', but still, she's more shy. I think that all dogs are different and maybe it is right that some bloodlines are more shy then others. But I will try to work hard to get my puppy better socialised. With Jennah, it was no problem.
If you would like to see a picture of my youngest one:
Faro-Yuccah Les P'tits Loups d'Amour, she's in the database.

But I have to say that I like the dogs of 'Crying Wolf' very much. I think they're beautiful, but I don't know anything about their character, so I cannot say anything about it. All I know is what the breeder of Faro-Yuccah told me about Merlin Crying Wolf. According her, he was not shy at all and he was very social. And I believe her whan she says that. For the rest: I'm just a 'beginner' with the breed, so I just try to learn as much as possible. That's why I read here on the forum. And I just wanted to tell you about my own experiences with my little 'half-Crying Wolf', because that's what this topic is about!

Greetings from Belgium!

Liesbeth Roelants
Karma-Jennah van Goverwelle &
Faro-Yuccah Les P'tits Loups d'Amour

[furyos]

hi...liesbeth...nice if yu have a baby from my merlin-furyos ...y keep faraon the brother (with a friend)and he s not shy my friend take him on his job(fish market in street)he have a good relation ...and it s for that we can say clt are" unique "and one clt is not the other one ....if yu have news y m so happy to have ....see yu perhaps in show in france or belgium or luxembourg ....frank

[mijke]

@ Suski: My compliments for your answer!

Originally Posted by wolfin

and the only one with good character was Karlik - but he was also not very stable.

Sorry, but I don't agree with you!
Karlik (Crying Wolf) did come to us as a replaced dog when he was 10 months. He was not socialised, was not clean in the house, did not know any command and did not even know his name...
But he was a very stable dog who did like to train. It was amazing to see how fast he did learn everything. After a few weeks he was used to our family with kids and daily many visitors. And after a few months he was also used to shopping centres, traveling by bus, metro aso. He went even with us to camp grounds and to my work (with difficult young people)
(His only problem was, that in house he marked every time again travel bags and beds of guests and foster kids when he was alone)

[wolfin]

HI Mijke! i though about something else. there are two types of stable dogs - very stable with strong character and second type - just stable. i just said that KArlik is not a strong dog - he is stable but not a macho-type. i mean just that the dog CW with the bast character is still not a dog with a very strong character as you can see by other breeders.

regards from LT

[massimo]

Hi all
In my opinion it is not correct to "speak" on internet about a specific breeder or his dogs negatively without really knowing all that must be known.
I know many breeders and owners and I assure you it is possible to find something NEGATIVE for each of them, even the ones you consider the best.
Surely even I can find many many mistakes and wrong things made by Edit Molnar but of course also many good ones, but this applies to ALL other breeders, no one excluded.
I still haven't met the PERFECT wolfdog or the PERFECT breeder....
This thread really shouldn't have such title because it was not started with the intention to speak about the breeder but about a litter made by an owner of two dogs from the same kennel, it makes no sense.

I just wanted to point out one thing: lack of information on this site does NOT necessarily mean that the information is not there, so I suggest not to make such assumptions (no HD xrays, no bonitation, no litters) without being really sure
Not all owners or breeders want to share info with this site, and not all information is considered worth being put up in this site (ex. some bonitations made in Italy).
It is a real pity because today this site is the BEST and most complete tool we have in order to know better pros and cons of this marvellous breed, if only people put aside personal problems...
Not only for wolves but also fro Czechoslovakian wolfdog MAN is the WORST ENEMY....

About Crying Wolf characters: I own Lunatica Crying Wolf
She is HD D and tends to be not shy but untrusty.
I can go EVERYWARE with her because she trusts me completely.
Very rarely will you see her with a tail below the belly (I travel a lot so many people know me and can confirm what I say is true).
I also go around the city center and unless people gather around and concentrate on her, she feels comfortable.
Also again if nobody concentrates to much on her, I have no problem going around without the leash, she doesn't allow to much distance to separate her from me (of course if there is no rabbit to chase....)
Training: ZOP done and we are training for ZPU1. She does a good aport (i think it's Borko's blood...)

CHARACTER IS SURELY INFLUENCED BY BLOOD AND GENETICS but you, OWNER, can really do a LOT to change and improve...let's not always blame the breeder.
massimo

[hanninadina]

No one wanted to blame Edit and her breed. As you wrote Massimo, everyone (breeder) has his good and not so good sites. I don´t know who put the name of the breed in the subject??

If people were more talking to each other it would have an better ending for the csw. That is for sure. But some people are standing on their rear legs and mean that they only know the real truth. They never thought do meet at the middle. And that is a shame.

Christian