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Horrible numbers !!!
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What kind of inbreeding diseases will show up first,
Are there any common signs to look for ??? What is normaly a healthy % of COI ??? How hard will it be to get the COI back to 15% from 20-30% on a total pedigree ??? Regards / Mikael
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Nowadays for the CsV, breeders should try to be less than 10% on five generations (as this is the mean value on 5 generations). |
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To get the COI % back to normal on some lines whit the breeding plan of some breeders here are therefore impossible as I se it, especially when some breeders work in the opposite direction I also wonder way the owners of this dogs do not wont to give there opinion on the current situation... Quote:
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Wrong topic again !!!
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A little stat, dogs with COI(5 generations) more than 30% (sorted by birthday: breeding plans many years ago are not the same):
2006.10.27 -- 41.4062500000% -- Uros ---(priv. Bresciani)--- 2006.10.27 -- 41.4062500000% -- Llobas-Ghisa ---(priv. Bresciani)--- 2006.10.27 -- 41.4062500000% -- Hiroshi II ---(priv. Bresciani)--- 2006.10.27 -- 41.4062500000% -- Hiroshi ---(priv. Bresciani)--- 2006.03.27 -- 32.2753906250% -- Yado ---(priv. Orpelli)--- 2006.03.27 -- 32.2753906250% -- Tundra ---(priv. Orpelli)--- 2006.03.27 -- 32.2753906250% -- Sca ---(priv. Orpelli)--- 2006.03.27 -- 32.2753906250% -- Priscilla ---(priv. Orpelli)--- 2006.03.27 -- 32.2753906250% -- Pepe ---(priv. Orpelli)--- 2006.02.24 -- 35.4492187500% -- Thor Crying Wolf 2006.02.24 -- 35.4492187500% -- Therpsis Crying Wolf 2006.02.24 -- 35.4492187500% -- Thalia Crying Wolf 2005.05.27 -- 30.0781250000% -- Pavel ---(priv. Bresciani)--- 2005.05.27 -- 30.0781250000% -- Naise ---(priv. Bresciani)--- 2005.05.27 -- 30.0781250000% -- Lupo ---(priv. Bresciani)--- 2005.05.27 -- 30.0781250000% -- Lupa ---(priv. Bresciani)--- 2005.05.27 -- 30.0781250000% -- Kyra ---(priv. Bresciani)--- 2005.05.27 -- 30.0781250000% -- Duncan ---(priv. Bresciani)--- 2005.04.16 -- 30.9570312500% -- Sultan ---des Gardiens de la Cour--- 2005.04.16 -- 30.9570312500% -- Ayak ---des Gardiens de la Cour--- 2005.04.16 -- 30.9570312500% -- Attila ---des Gardiens de la Cour--- 2005.04.16 -- 30.9570312500% -- Akail ---des Gardiens de la Cour--- 2004.09.28 -- 30.5175781250% -- Nicea ---Ciccone--- 2004.09.20 -- 30.0781250000% -- Zeus ---(priv. Bresciani)--- 2004.09.20 -- 30.0781250000% -- Tularosa ---(priv. Bresciani)--- 2004.09.20 -- 30.0781250000% -- Luna ---(priv. Bresciani)--- 2004.09.20 -- 30.0781250000% -- Geronimo ---(priv. Bresciani)--- 2004.09.20 -- 30.0781250000% -- Daphne ---(priv. Bresciani)--- 2004.09.20 -- 30.0781250000% -- Blu ---(priv. Bresciani)--- 2004.09.20 -- 30.0781250000% -- Aria ---(priv. Bresciani)--- 2004.09.20 -- 30.0781250000% -- Anubis ---(priv. Bresciani)--- 2004.04.17 -- 30.9570312500% -- Vaillant ---des Gardiens de la Cour--- 2004.04.17 -- 30.9570312500% -- Bilou ---des Gardiens de la Cour--- 2003.07.10 -- 30.0781250000% -- Hutch ---Colle del Lupo--- 2003.07.10 -- 30.0781250000% -- Huri ---Colle del Lupo--- 2003.07.10 -- 30.0781250000% -- Hura ---Colle del Lupo--- 2003.07.10 -- 30.0781250000% -- Horus ---Colle del Lupo--- 2003.07.10 -- 30.0781250000% -- Hendrix ---Colle del Lupo--- 2003.07.10 -- 30.0781250000% -- Heda ---Colle del Lupo--- 2003.07.10 -- 30.0781250000% -- Heca ---Colle del Lupo--- 2003.07.10 -- 30.0781250000% -- Hasso ---Colle del Lupo--- 2003.07.10 -- 30.0781250000% -- Hanouk ---Colle del Lupo--- 2003.07.10 -- 30.0781250000% -- Hamlet ---Colle del Lupo--- 2003.07.10 -- 30.0781250000% -- Haita ---Colle del Lupo--- 2003.07.10 -- 30.0781250000% -- Hagen ---Colle del Lupo--- 2002.12.05 -- 32.7636718750% -- Manja ---Wollenberg Wolfdogs--- 2002.12.05 -- 32.7636718750% -- ? ---Wollenberg Wolfdogs--- 2002.12.05 -- 32.7636718750% -- ? ---Wollenberg Wolfdogs--- 2002.12.05 -- 32.7636718750% -- ? ---Wollenberg Wolfdogs--- 2002.12.05 -- 32.7636718750% -- ? ---Wollenberg Wolfdogs--- 2002.11.05 -- 30.0781250000% -- Lupo ---(priv. Bresciani)--- 2002.11.05 -- 30.0781250000% -- Kochis ---(priv. Bresciani)--- 2002.11.05 -- 30.0781250000% -- Jahanna ---(priv. Bresciani)--- 2002.11.05 -- 30.0781250000% -- Hug ---(priv. Bresciani)--- 2002.11.05 -- 30.0781250000% -- Geronimo ---(priv. Bresciani)--- 2002.11.05 -- 30.0781250000% -- Farak ---(priv. Bresciani)--- 2002.11.05 -- 30.0781250000% -- Angelina ---(priv. Bresciani)--- 2002.01.11 -- 49.2187500000% -- Rex z Krotkovského dvora 2002.01.11 -- 49.2187500000% -- Repka z Krotkovského dvora 2002.01.11 -- 49.2187500000% -- Rep z Krotkovského dvora 2002.01.11 -- 49.2187500000% -- Rama z Krotkovského dvora 2002.01.04 -- 30.0781250000% -- Raggio ---(priv. Bresciani)--- 2002.01.04 -- 30.0781250000% -- Nebbia ---(priv. Bresciani)--- 2002.01.04 -- 30.0781250000% -- Kocis ---(priv. Bresciani)--- 2002.01.04 -- 30.0781250000% -- Gandalf ---(priv. Bresciani)--- 2002.01.04 -- 30.0781250000% -- Ermanno ---(priv. Bresciani)--- 2002.01.04 -- 30.0781250000% -- Ares ---(priv. Bresciani)--- 2002.01.04 -- 30.0781250000% -- Andromeda ---(priv. Bresciani)--- 2001.01.19 -- 32.7636718750% -- Mikala ---Wollenberg Wolfdogs--- 2001.01.19 -- 32.7636718750% -- Manon ---Wollenberg Wolfdogs--- 2000.12.17 -- 31.6406250000% -- Puma z Krotkovského dvora 2000.12.17 -- 31.6406250000% -- Primus z Krotkovského dvora 2000.12.17 -- 31.6406250000% -- Prim z Krotkovského dvora 2000.12.17 -- 31.6406250000% -- Priam z Krotkovského dvora 2000.12.17 -- 31.6406250000% -- Pedro z Krotkovského dvora 2000.12.17 -- 31.6406250000% -- Pax z Krotkovského dvora 2000.12.17 -- 31.6406250000% -- Panda z Krotkovského dvora 2000.12.17 -- 31.6406250000% -- Pama z Krotkovského dvora 2000.01.25 -- 30.8105468750% -- Fibby Kollárov dvor 2000.01.25 -- 30.8105468750% -- Fenndy Kollárov dvor 2000.01.25 -- 30.8105468750% -- Farry Kollárov dvor 2000.01.25 -- 30.8105468750% -- Fanny Kollárov dvor 2000.01.25 -- 30.8105468750% -- Fallko Kollárov dvor 2000.01.16 -- 30.8105468750% -- Aragon Vlčia krv 1999.02.05 -- 33.0566406250% -- Eryx Kollárov dvor 1999.02.05 -- 33.0566406250% -- Elax Kollárov dvor 1999.02.05 -- 33.0566406250% -- Ejda Kollárov dvor 1999.02.05 -- 33.0566406250% -- Edy Kollárov dvor 1999.01.16 -- 32.1777343750% -- Bora od Miščicha 1999.01.16 -- 32.1777343750% -- Bona od Miščicha 1999.01.16 -- 32.1777343750% -- Bat od Miščicha 1999.01.10 -- 30.8105468750% -- Cézar Kollárov dvor 1999.01.10 -- 30.8105468750% -- Cliff Kollárov dvor 1999.01.10 -- 30.8105468750% -- Citka Kollárov dvor 1999.01.10 -- 30.8105468750% -- Cindy Kollárov dvor 1999.01.10 -- 30.8105468750% -- Cid Kollárov dvor 1999.01.10 -- 30.8105468750% -- Car Kollárov dvor 1998.10.12 -- 31.6406250000% -- Moňa z Krotkovského dvora CS 1998.10.12 -- 31.6406250000% -- Maxa z Krotkovského dvora CS 1998.10.12 -- 31.6406250000% -- Max z Krotkovského dvora 1998.02.05 -- 32.4707031250% -- Flip z Rofa 1998.02.05 -- 32.4707031250% -- Faxon z Rofa 1998.02.05 -- 32.4707031250% -- Faraon z Rofa 1998.01.18 -- 39.2089843750% -- Lord z Krotkovského dvora CS 1997.11.12 -- 31.6406250000% -- Kórach z Krotkovského dvora 1997.11.12 -- 31.6406250000% -- Káj z Krotkovského dvora 1997.11.12 -- 31.6406250000% -- Koro z Krotkovského dvora 1997.11.12 -- 31.6406250000% -- Kondor z Krotkovského dvora 1997.11.12 -- 31.6406250000% -- Kazan z Krotkovského dvora 1997.11.12 -- 31.6406250000% -- Kain z Krotkovského dvora 1997.04.01 -- 33.9355468750% -- Eryk z Ciriakovho dvora 1997.04.01 -- 33.9355468750% -- Eri z Ciriakovho dvora 1997.04.01 -- 33.9355468750% -- Emi z Ciriakovho dvora 1997.04.01 -- 33.9355468750% -- Elba z Ciriakovho dvora 1997.02.04 -- 32.4707031250% -- Brit Šikulov dvor 1996.01.31 -- 34.0820312500% -- Chira z Krotkovského dvora 1996.01.31 -- 34.0820312500% -- Chir z Krotkovského dvora 1995.12.15 -- 33.9355468750% -- Cézar z Ciriakovho dvora 1995.12.15 -- 33.9355468750% -- Cárka z Ciriakovho dvora 1995.12.15 -- 33.9355468750% -- Cuky z Ciriakovho dvora 1995.12.15 -- 33.9355468750% -- Ciro z Ciriakovho dvora 1995.12.15 -- 33.9355468750% -- Cida z Ciriakovho dvora 1995.12.15 -- 33.9355468750% -- Car z Ciriakovho dvora 1995.10.28 -- 31.6406250000% -- Hyke z Krotkovského dvora CS 1995.10.28 -- 31.6406250000% -- Hura z Krotkovského dvora CS 1995.10.28 -- 31.6406250000% -- Hesi z Krotkovského dvora CS 1995.10.28 -- 31.6406250000% -- Hera z Krotkovského dvora CS 1995.10.28 -- 31.6406250000% -- Hedy z Krotkovského dvora CS 1995.10.28 -- 31.6406250000% -- Halka z Krotkovského dvora CS 1995.08.10 -- 32.1777343750% -- Gurta z Krotkovského dvora 1995.08.10 -- 32.1777343750% -- Grečko z Krotkovského dvora 1995.08.10 -- 32.1777343750% -- Goro z Krotkovského dvora 1995.08.10 -- 32.1777343750% -- Gogo z Krotkovského dvora 1995.08.10 -- 32.1777343750% -- Gaston z Krotkovského dvora 1995.08.10 -- 32.1777343750% -- Gar z Krotkovského dvora 1995.08.10 -- 32.1777343750% -- Galka z Krotkovského dvora 1994.12.10 -- 41.6992187500% -- Europa z Krotkovského dvora 1994.12.10 -- 41.6992187500% -- Esta z Krotkovského dvora 1994.12.10 -- 41.6992187500% -- Emír z Krotkovského dvora 1994.12.10 -- 41.6992187500% -- Elbow z Krotkovského dvora 1994.11.25 -- 31.6406250000% -- Cézar z Krotkovského dvora CS 1994.11.25 -- 31.6406250000% -- Cirus z Krotkovského dvora CS 1994.11.25 -- 31.6406250000% -- Cidar z Krotkovského dvora CS 1994.11.25 -- 31.6406250000% -- Cida z Krotkovského dvora CS 1994.11.19 -- 31.6406250000% -- Bux z Krotkovského dvora CS 1994.11.19 -- 31.6406250000% -- Bugo z Krotkovského dvora CS 1994.11.19 -- 31.6406250000% -- Bryta z Krotkovského dvora CS 1994.11.19 -- 31.6406250000% -- Bryt z Krotkovského dvora CS 1994.11.19 -- 31.6406250000% -- Bruna z Krotkovského dvora CS 1994.11.19 -- 31.6406250000% -- Bega z Krotkovského dvora CS 1994.11.11 -- 33.9355468750% -- Asta z Ciriakovho dvora 1994.11.11 -- 33.9355468750% -- Ares z Ciriakovho dvora 1994.11.11 -- 33.9355468750% -- Amor z Ciriakovho dvora 1994.11.11 -- 33.9355468750% -- Amanda z Ciriakovho dvora 1994.11.11 -- 33.9355468750% -- Aktis z Ciriakovho dvora 1994.11.11 -- 33.9355468750% -- Aima z Ciriakovho dvora 1994.11.11 -- 33.9355468750% -- Ado z Ciriakovho dvora 1994.11.11 -- 33.9355468750% -- Abba z Ciriakovho dvora 1994.10.13 -- 34.0820312500% -- Hike Južná čast' 1994.10.13 -- 34.0820312500% -- Hik Južná čast' 1994.10.13 -- 34.0820312500% -- Hero Južná čast' 1994.10.13 -- 34.0820312500% -- Hektor Južná čast' 1994.10.13 -- 34.0820312500% -- Haso Južná čast' 1994.10.13 -- 34.0820312500% -- Hari Južná čast' 1994.10.13 -- 34.0820312500% -- Haide Južná čast' 1994.02.04 -- 32.1777343750% -- Zora z Krotkovského dvora 1994.02.04 -- 32.1777343750% -- Zola z Krotkovského dvora 1994.02.04 -- 32.1777343750% -- Zina z Krotkovského dvora 1994.01.17 -- 34.2285156250% -- Yzop z Krotkovského dvora 1994.01.17 -- 34.2285156250% -- Yrda z Krotkovského dvora 1994.01.17 -- 34.2285156250% -- Yra z Krotkovského dvora 1994.01.17 -- 34.2285156250% -- Ykon z Krotkovského dvora 1994.01.17 -- 34.2285156250% -- Yka z Krotkovského dvora 1994.01.17 -- 34.2285156250% -- Ydar z Krotkovského dvora 1994.01.17 -- 34.2285156250% -- Yda z Krotkovského dvora 1993.12.10 -- 32.3242187500% -- Bryta z Gilanovho dvora 1993.12.10 -- 32.3242187500% -- Bryt z Gilanovho dvora 1993.12.10 -- 32.3242187500% -- Bruna z Gilanovho dvora 1993.12.10 -- 32.3242187500% -- Begi z Gilanovho dvora 1993.12.10 -- 32.3242187500% -- Bajkal z Gilanovho dvora 1993.12.10 -- 32.3242187500% -- Bajka z Gilanovho dvora 1993.11.29 -- 46.8750000000% -- Xavan z Rosíkova 1993.11.26 -- 38.8183593750% -- Vlk z Krotkovského dvora 1993.06.09 -- 32.4218750000% -- Tola z Krotkovského dvora 1993.06.09 -- 32.4218750000% -- Tobi z Krotkovského dvora 1993.01.21 -- 32.1777343750% -- Samson z Krotkovského dvora 1993.01.21 -- 32.1777343750% -- Sam z Krotkovského dvora 1992.10.18 -- 31.1523437500% -- Astor Fončorda 1992.10.18 -- 31.1523437500% -- Argo Fončorda 1992.10.18 -- 31.1523437500% -- Alfa Fončorda 1992.10.18 -- 31.1523437500% -- Alan Fončorda 1992.10.18 -- 31.1523437500% -- Ajax Fončorda 1991.12.04 -- 30.3222656250% -- Antea Bonus 1991.12.04 -- 30.3222656250% -- Amir Bonus 1991.12.04 -- 30.3222656250% -- Algar Bonus 1991.11.22 -- 32.3242187500% -- Avar z Kyvule pod Lepeníkom 1991.11.22 -- 32.3242187500% -- Arza z Kyvule pod Lepeníkom 1991.11.22 -- 32.3242187500% -- Art z Kyvule pod Lepeníkom 1991.11.22 -- 32.3242187500% -- Area z Kyvule pod Lepeníkom 1991.11.22 -- 32.3242187500% -- Ama z Kyvule pod Lepeníkom 1991.11.22 -- 32.3242187500% -- Alma z Kyvule pod Lepeníkom 1991.11.22 -- 32.3242187500% -- Alba z Kykule pod Lepeníkom 1991.11.22 -- 32.3242187500% -- Achát z Kyvule pod Lepeníkom 1991.11.04 -- 32.3242187500% -- Nyx z Krotkovského dvora 1991.11.04 -- 32.3242187500% -- Nyr z Krotkovského dvora 1991.11.04 -- 32.3242187500% -- Nyk z Krotkovského dvora 1991.11.04 -- 32.3242187500% -- Nora z Krotkovského dvora 1991.11.04 -- 32.3242187500% -- Nor z Krotkovského dvora 1991.11.04 -- 32.3242187500% -- Nero z Krotkovského dvora 1991.10.03 -- 30.5175781250% -- Asy od Zejdy CS 1991.10.03 -- 30.5175781250% -- Ala od Zejdy CS 1991.10.03 -- 30.5175781250% -- Akita od Zejdy CS 1991.10.03 -- 30.5175781250% -- Aja od Zejdy CS 1990.12.04 -- 32.3242187500% -- Chán z Krotkovského dvora 1990.12.04 -- 32.3242187500% -- Chlipka z Krotkovského dvora 1990.12.04 -- 32.3242187500% -- Chlapík z Krotkovského dvora 1990.12.04 -- 32.3242187500% -- Chira z Krotkovského dvora 1990.12.04 -- 32.3242187500% -- Chir z Krotkovského dvora 1990.12.04 -- 32.3242187500% -- Chim z Krotkovského dvora 1990.12.04 -- 32.3242187500% -- Chama z Krotkovského dvora 1990.11.28 -- 32.3242187500% -- Aran z Gilanovho dvora 1990.11.28 -- 32.3242187500% -- Andy z Gilanovho dvora 1990.11.28 -- 32.3242187500% -- Alma z Gilanovho dvora 1990.11.05 -- 35.4980468750% -- Grácia Balmar 1990.11.05 -- 35.4980468750% -- Grof Balmar 1990.11.05 -- 35.4980468750% -- Goro Balmar 1990.11.05 -- 35.4980468750% -- Gina Balmar 1990.11.05 -- 35.4980468750% -- Gera Balmar 1990.11.05 -- 35.4980468750% -- Gapa Balmar 1990.11.05 -- 35.4980468750% -- Gaja Balmar 1990.10.17 -- 31.5429687500% -- Brian Trenčan 1990.10.17 -- 31.5429687500% -- Bresta Trenčan 1990.10.17 -- 31.5429687500% -- Brehmy Trenčan 1990.10.17 -- 31.5429687500% -- Borka Trenčan 1990.10.17 -- 31.5429687500% -- Bonita Trenčan 1990.10.17 -- 31.5429687500% -- Bern Trenčan 1990.10.17 -- 31.5429687500% -- Berenica Trenčan 1990.10.17 -- 31.5429687500% -- Barča Trenčan 1990.10.17 -- 31.5429687500% -- Baron Trenčan 1990.10.17 -- 31.5429687500% -- Barilla Trenčan 1988.12.29 -- 35.5468750000% -- Dono od Pavlišina CS 1988.12.29 -- 35.5468750000% -- Dino od Pavlišina CS 1988.03.16 -- 36.4257812500% -- Osa z Rosíkova CS 1988.03.16 -- 36.4257812500% -- Orlík z Rosíkova CS 1988.03.16 -- 36.4257812500% -- Olmar z Rosíkova CS 1988.03.16 -- 36.4257812500% -- Old z Rosíkova CS 1988.01.08 -- 35.5468750000% -- Cézar od Pavlišina CS 1988.01.08 -- 35.5468750000% -- Cira od Pavlišina CS 1988.01.08 -- 35.5468750000% -- Cida od Pavlišina CS 1988.01.08 -- 35.5468750000% -- Ciba od Pavlišina CS 1988.01.08 -- 35.5468750000% -- Ceno od Pavlišina CS 1987.01.12 -- 31.8359375000% -- Káj z Rosíkova CS 1987.01.12 -- 31.8359375000% -- Kora z Rosíkova CS 1987.01.12 -- 31.8359375000% -- Kazan z Rosíkova CS 1986.03.29 -- 36.4257812500% -- Bron Vopa 1986.03.29 -- 36.4257812500% -- Brix Vopa 1986.03.29 -- 36.4257812500% -- Brita Vopa 1986.03.29 -- 36.4257812500% -- Brit Vopa 1986.03.29 -- 36.4257812500% -- Brat Vopa 1986.03.29 -- 36.4257812500% -- Besy Vopa 1986.03.29 -- 36.4257812500% -- Bero Vopa 1983.12.01 -- 32.4218750000% -- Arnika z Graby CS 1983.12.01 -- 32.4218750000% -- Argus z Graby CS 1983.12.01 -- 32.4218750000% -- Ares z Graby CS 1983.12.01 -- 32.4218750000% -- Apis z Graby CS 1983.12.01 -- 32.4218750000% -- Almea z Graby CS 1983.12.01 -- 32.4218750000% -- Alba z Graby CS |
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Over 30 % on 5 generations !!!
This comes as a shock even to me, 30-50% on 5 generation !!!
This is really the death list of are breed, if we do not react now it will be to late Sad regards / Mikael
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Dogs with COI(5 generations) more than 20% since 2002 (sorted by birthday):
2007.10.12 -- 20.5078125000% -- Yvain Crying Wolf 2007.10.12 -- 20.5078125000% -- Yolka Crying Wolf 2007.10.12 -- 20.5078125000% -- Yasmine Crying Wolf 2007.10.12 -- 20.5078125000% -- Yarl Yanatos Crying Wolf 2007.10.12 -- 20.5078125000% -- Yanus Crying Wolf 2007.10.12 -- 20.5078125000% -- Yam Crying Wolf 2007.10.12 -- 20.5078125000% -- Yago Crying Wolf 2007.09.27 -- 21.0449218750% -- Zjev Cosmo Daniel D'Elite 2007.04.16 -- 28.2714843750% -- Jody ---Terre dell'Est--- 2007.04.16 -- 28.2714843750% -- Cindy ---Terre dell'Est--- 2007.04.16 -- 28.2714843750% -- Alex ---Terre dell'Est--- 2006.10.27 -- 41.4062500000% -- Uros ---(priv. Bresciani)--- 2006.10.27 -- 41.4062500000% -- Llobas-Ghisa ---(priv. Bresciani)--- 2006.10.27 -- 41.4062500000% -- Hiroshi II ---(priv. Bresciani)--- 2006.10.27 -- 41.4062500000% -- Hiroshi ---(priv. Bresciani)--- 2006.04.10 -- 21.0449218750% -- Quin Cosmo Daniel D'Elite 2006.04.10 -- 21.0449218750% -- Quiero Cosmo Daniel D'Elite 2006.04.10 -- 21.0449218750% -- Querida Cosmo Daniel D'Elite 2006.04.10 -- 21.0449218750% -- Quemada Cosmo Daniel D'Elite 2006.04.10 -- 21.0449218750% -- Quasar Cosmo Daniel D'Elite 2006.03.27 -- 32.2753906250% -- Yado ---(priv. Orpelli)--- 2006.03.27 -- 32.2753906250% -- Tundra ---(priv. Orpelli)--- 2006.03.27 -- 32.2753906250% -- Sca ---(priv. Orpelli)--- 2006.03.27 -- 32.2753906250% -- Priscilla ---(priv. Orpelli)--- 2006.03.27 -- 32.2753906250% -- Pepe ---(priv. Orpelli)--- 2006.02.24 -- 35.4492187500% -- Thor Crying Wolf 2006.02.24 -- 35.4492187500% -- Therpsis Crying Wolf 2006.02.24 -- 35.4492187500% -- Thalia Crying Wolf 2006.02.05 -- 23.2910156250% -- Havanna Hanouk de Louba Tar 2005.12.08 -- 20.1171875000% -- Rudy ---Casa della Rosa--- 2005.12.08 -- 20.1171875000% -- Roli ---Casa della Rosa--- 2005.12.08 -- 20.1171875000% -- Roky ---Casa della Rosa--- 2005.12.08 -- 20.1171875000% -- Red ---Casa della Rosa--- 2005.12.08 -- 20.1171875000% -- Razy ---Casa della Rosa--- 2005.12.08 -- 20.1171875000% -- Randy ---Casa della Rosa--- 2005.12.08 -- 20.1171875000% -- Drama ---Casa della Rosa--- 2005.12.08 -- 20.1171875000% -- Dita ---Casa della Rosa--- 2005.07.22 -- 22.1191406250% -- Ré Crying Wolf 2005.07.22 -- 22.1191406250% -- Rubin Crying Wolf 2005.07.22 -- 22.1191406250% -- Robin Hood Crying Wolf 2005.07.22 -- 22.1191406250% -- Rambo Crying Wolf 2005.07.22 -- 22.1191406250% -- Rainbow Crying Wolf 2005.05.27 -- 30.0781250000% -- Pavel ---(priv. Bresciani)--- 2005.05.27 -- 30.0781250000% -- Naise ---(priv. Bresciani)--- 2005.05.27 -- 30.0781250000% -- Lupo ---(priv. Bresciani)--- 2005.05.27 -- 30.0781250000% -- Lupa ---(priv. Bresciani)--- 2005.05.27 -- 30.0781250000% -- Kyra ---(priv. Bresciani)--- 2005.05.27 -- 30.0781250000% -- Duncan ---(priv. Bresciani)--- 2005.04.16 -- 30.9570312500% -- Sultan ---des Gardiens de la Cour--- 2005.04.16 -- 30.9570312500% -- Ayak ---des Gardiens de la Cour--- 2005.04.16 -- 30.9570312500% -- Attila ---des Gardiens de la Cour--- 2005.04.16 -- 30.9570312500% -- Akail ---des Gardiens de la Cour--- 2005.02.17 -- 28.2226562500% -- Kris Cosmo Daniel D'Elite 2005.02.17 -- 28.2226562500% -- Kiss Cosmo Daniel D'Elite 2005.02.17 -- 28.2226562500% -- Kent Cosmo Daniel D'Elite 2005.02.01 -- 26.7578125000% -- Fersen ---(priv. Rognoni)--- 2004.12.08 -- 22.2656250000% -- Psisan Crying Wolf 2004.12.08 -- 22.2656250000% -- Phyrhus Crying Wolf 2004.12.08 -- 22.2656250000% -- Philemon Crying Wolf 2004.12.08 -- 22.2656250000% -- Phenelope Crying Wolf 2004.12.08 -- 22.2656250000% -- Phemba Crying Wolf 2004.12.08 -- 22.2656250000% -- Pharis Crying Wolf 2004.12.08 -- 22.2656250000% -- Phanom Crying Wolf 2004.12.08 -- 22.2656250000% -- Phaedra Crying Wolf 2004.10.26 -- 21.7773437500% -- Ossa Crying Wolf 2004.10.26 -- 21.7773437500% -- Orpheus Crying Wolf 2004.10.22 -- 21.4843750000% -- Hugo Fončorda 2004.10.22 -- 21.4843750000% -- Hok Fončorda 2004.09.28 -- 30.5175781250% -- Nicea ---Ciccone--- 2004.09.24 -- 20.2636718750% -- V'Yanna Vopa von den Wächter der Krone 2004.09.24 -- 20.2636718750% -- V'Wotan von den Wächter der Krone 2004.09.24 -- 20.2636718750% -- V'Cheyenne von den Wächter der Krone 2004.09.20 -- 30.0781250000% -- Zeus ---(priv. Bresciani)--- 2004.09.20 -- 30.0781250000% -- Tularosa ---(priv. Bresciani)--- 2004.09.20 -- 30.0781250000% -- Luna ---(priv. Bresciani)--- 2004.09.20 -- 30.0781250000% -- Geronimo ---(priv. Bresciani)--- 2004.09.20 -- 30.0781250000% -- Daphne ---(priv. Bresciani)--- 2004.09.20 -- 30.0781250000% -- Blu ---(priv. Bresciani)--- 2004.09.20 -- 30.0781250000% -- Aria ---(priv. Bresciani)--- 2004.09.20 -- 30.0781250000% -- Anubis ---(priv. Bresciani)--- 2004.04.17 -- 30.9570312500% -- Vaillant ---des Gardiens de la Cour--- 2004.04.17 -- 30.9570312500% -- Bilou ---des Gardiens de la Cour--- 2004.02.19 -- 20.5566406250% -- Xenos Xerxes de Louba Tar 2004.02.19 -- 20.5566406250% -- Xenator Arni de Louba Tar 2003.12.16 -- 28.4179687500% -- Uxia ---della Vittoria Alata--- 2003.12.16 -- 28.4179687500% -- Ussaro ---della Vittoria Alata--- 2003.12.16 -- 28.4179687500% -- Ursula ---della Vittoria Alata--- 2003.12.16 -- 28.4179687500% -- Uri ---della Vittoria Alata--- 2003.12.16 -- 28.4179687500% -- Unno ---della Vittoria Alata--- 2003.12.16 -- 28.4179687500% -- Unicum ---della Vittoria Alata--- 2003.12.16 -- 28.4179687500% -- Ulisse ---della Vittoria Alata--- 2003.12.16 -- 28.4179687500% -- Ublaze ---della Vittoria Alata--- 2003.12.16 -- 28.4179687500% -- Uber ---della Vittoria Alata--- 2003.12.06 -- 28.1250000000% -- Dia Šikulov dvor 2003.12.06 -- 28.1250000000% -- Dag Šikulov dvor 2003.12.01 -- 20.2636718750% -- Ulfie von den Wächter der Krone 2003.12.01 -- 20.2636718750% -- Ujhiro von den Wächter der Krone 2003.12.01 -- 20.2636718750% -- Uinseann von den Wächter der Krone 2003.12.01 -- 20.2636718750% -- U? von den Wächter der Krone 2003.12.01 -- 20.2636718750% -- U'zeeva von den Wächter der Krone 2003.12.01 -- 20.2636718750% -- U'Wolfgang Amadeus von den Wächter der Krone 2003.07.10 -- 30.0781250000% -- Hutch ---Colle del Lupo--- 2003.07.10 -- 30.0781250000% -- Huri ---Colle del Lupo--- 2003.07.10 -- 30.0781250000% -- Hura ---Colle del Lupo--- 2003.07.10 -- 30.0781250000% -- Horus ---Colle del Lupo--- 2003.07.10 -- 30.0781250000% -- Hendrix ---Colle del Lupo--- 2003.07.10 -- 30.0781250000% -- Heda ---Colle del Lupo--- 2003.07.10 -- 30.0781250000% -- Heca ---Colle del Lupo--- 2003.07.10 -- 30.0781250000% -- Hasso ---Colle del Lupo--- 2003.07.10 -- 30.0781250000% -- Hanouk ---Colle del Lupo--- 2003.07.10 -- 30.0781250000% -- Hamlet ---Colle del Lupo--- 2003.07.10 -- 30.0781250000% -- Haita ---Colle del Lupo--- 2003.07.10 -- 30.0781250000% -- Hagen ---Colle del Lupo--- 2003.02.09 -- 21.4843750000% -- Gádar Fončorda 2003.02.09 -- 21.4843750000% -- Gaston Fončorda 2003.01.06 -- 21.7773437500% -- Koira Crying Wolf 2003.01.06 -- 21.7773437500% -- Kazan Crying Wolf 2003.01.06 -- 21.7773437500% -- Kavik Crying Wolf 2003.01.06 -- 21.7773437500% -- Kavak Crying Wolf 2003.01.06 -- 21.7773437500% -- Karuk Crying Wolf 2003.01.06 -- 21.7773437500% -- Karlik Crying Wolf 2003.01.06 -- 21.7773437500% -- Kankin Crying Wolf 2003.01.06 -- 21.7773437500% -- Kajab Crying Wolf 2002.12.31 -- 21.5332031250% -- Brest spod Ďumbiera 2002.12.31 -- 21.5332031250% -- Beryl spod Ďumbiera 2002.12.31 -- 21.5332031250% -- Baron spod Ďumbiera 2002.12.05 -- 32.7636718750% -- Manja ---Wollenberg Wolfdogs--- 2002.12.05 -- 32.7636718750% -- ? ---Wollenberg Wolfdogs--- 2002.12.05 -- 32.7636718750% -- ? ---Wollenberg Wolfdogs--- 2002.12.05 -- 32.7636718750% -- ? ---Wollenberg Wolfdogs--- 2002.12.05 -- 32.7636718750% -- ? ---Wollenberg Wolfdogs--- 2002.11.05 -- 30.0781250000% -- Lupo ---(priv. Bresciani)--- 2002.11.05 -- 30.0781250000% -- Kochis ---(priv. Bresciani)--- 2002.11.05 -- 30.0781250000% -- Jahanna ---(priv. Bresciani)--- 2002.11.05 -- 30.0781250000% -- Hug ---(priv. Bresciani)--- 2002.11.05 -- 30.0781250000% -- Geronimo ---(priv. Bresciani)--- 2002.11.05 -- 30.0781250000% -- Farak ---(priv. Bresciani)--- 2002.11.05 -- 30.0781250000% -- Angelina ---(priv. Bresciani)--- 2002.03.10 -- 21.1914062500% -- Tilouna Windswept Hillock's 2002.01.13 -- 22.9980468750% -- Frida Crying Wolf 2002.01.13 -- 22.9980468750% -- Fortuna Crying Wolf 2002.01.13 -- 22.9980468750% -- Forrest Crying Wolf 2002.01.13 -- 22.9980468750% -- Flash Crying Wolf 2002.01.13 -- 22.9980468750% -- Faust Crying Wolf 2002.01.13 -- 22.9980468750% -- Fargo Crying Wolf 2002.01.13 -- 22.9980468750% -- Fanny Crying Wolf 2002.01.13 -- 22.9980468750% -- Falco Crying Wolf 2002.01.11 -- 49.2187500000% -- Rex z Krotkovského dvora 2002.01.11 -- 49.2187500000% -- Repka z Krotkovského dvora 2002.01.11 -- 49.2187500000% -- Rep z Krotkovského dvora 2002.01.11 -- 49.2187500000% -- Rama z Krotkovského dvora 2002.01.07 -- 25.4882812500% -- Enzo Crying Wolf 2002.01.07 -- 25.4882812500% -- Elvis Crying Wolf 2002.01.07 -- 25.4882812500% -- Elton Crying Wolf 2002.01.07 -- 25.4882812500% -- Elmar Crying Wolf 2002.01.07 -- 21.4355468750% -- Grace Kollárov dvor 2002.01.07 -- 21.4355468750% -- Gora Kollárov dvor 2002.01.07 -- 21.4355468750% -- Gina Kollárov dvor 2002.01.07 -- 21.4355468750% -- Gero Kollárov dvor 2002.01.07 -- 21.4355468750% -- Gaya Kollárov dvor 2002.01.04 -- 30.0781250000% -- Raggio ---(priv. Bresciani)--- 2002.01.04 -- 30.0781250000% -- Nebbia ---(priv. Bresciani)--- 2002.01.04 -- 30.0781250000% -- Kocis ---(priv. Bresciani)--- 2002.01.04 -- 30.0781250000% -- Gandalf ---(priv. Bresciani)--- 2002.01.04 -- 30.0781250000% -- Ermanno ---(priv. Bresciani)--- 2002.01.04 -- 30.0781250000% -- Ares ---(priv. Bresciani)--- 2002.01.04 -- 30.0781250000% -- Andromeda ---(priv. Bresciani)--- |
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Shocking news !!!
CsV world record in inbreeding ???
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More statistic / worning signs !!!
Numbers of offsprings 10 topplist on CsV born after year 2000.
Whit COI on 5 generations… 47 offsprings ---COI 21,53%---2002.12.31 Baron spod Ïumbiera 48 offsprings ---COI 16,36%---2001.12.03 Batt Malý Bysterec 54 offsprings ---COI 18,16%---2004.01.31 Merlin Crying Wolf 51 offsprings ---COI 9,32%---2000.10.06 Rendy ---Passo del Lupo--- 55 offsprings ---COI 12,25%---2001.12.04 Edgar Passo del Lupo 60 offsprings ---COI 7,76%---2004.11.11 Vaicko Passo del Lupo 73 offsprings ---COI 5,22%---2003.04.18 Timber Wolf Arimminum 82 offsprings ---COI 5,22%---2002.10.15 Duncan ---Colle del Lupo--- 135 offsprings ---COI 8,35%---2001.04.12 Cutt ---dell'Irco Sortiere--- 151 offsprings ---COI 10,20%---2002.10.03 Miky Passo del Lupo Regards / Mikael
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18-12-2008, 02:04 | #54 |
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but about bitch offspring You not wright? who not be bitch who have moore 50 pupps. And thi be same evil.
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18-12-2008, 14:01 | #55 |
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It is, why in Czech work breed comission. It is, why we try to keep 7 base bloodlines and much males in every class. We know sotuation in other states. in much country is easy to take two "wolfsih type of wolfdogs " and make pups. But is not easy to keep level of Wright down. We need not new wolves in breed, we need to help to lines what are not much in the World. It is work for clubs, not to produce some pups in wolf type, but very related.....
I know, not in all casses we can make "not related pairs", but we try it. For example: last my two litters was Wright 1,51 and 3,9.My two next litters will have 4,19 and 4.83. Is it possible, but you must choose good male (good for blood), not only champions with wolf face. |
18-12-2008, 15:01 | #56 |
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hmmm, but Hanka You latest litter make only wirh CH and winner,a and make linebreeding IV-IV. Maybe COI be ok but people who cann chceck inbreed variant see others.
p.s. I not atack You, only thake this like example. I think for others people better when we speak about us dogs, others not see atack for hes. Regards |
18-12-2008, 15:26 | #57 |
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I don´t care about his titles, but it is blood what is not in Czech.
It was important for me. Not more.It is his first litter in Czech. He lives far and nobody travel there for mateing. So we will have something "new" here for next breeding. It is good for Wright, or NO? |
18-12-2008, 15:30 | #58 |
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For me in first place is gens, later Wright.
about long way ... hmmm I think from LT I have to longest way to rep. |
18-12-2008, 15:39 | #59 |
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But I travel too. I write about other breeders, which not travel. So if I CAN travel for mateing, why don´t take new blood to my country?
I know you don´t like Edit, but I used male with (for Czech) interest blood. |
18-12-2008, 15:44 | #60 |
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aha ok.
But about Edith we not speak in this thema, and ... if You have falsh info about me and Edith friendship, please not wright this. |
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