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05-09-2008, 00:56 | #21 | ||
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NO, the bonitations were not in Poland. They were in Slovakia and Czech Republic... Why such notes were and are possible? I wrote it already in the last post... |
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05-09-2008, 01:24 | #22 | |
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. Were you never astonished about the excellent P1 note Mery get? During the youth presentation in Czech Republic she get P5 (note "good") because of the really visible problems with movement. The problem didn't disappeared and on your web page you wrote nice articles about hydroterapie which is necessary because of the problems with movement Mery has... Look, despite of the movement problems which she has she get without any problems the EXCELLENT note during the bonition in Belgium... Just perfect code... [-> "is there a different standard for CSW in Belgium?"] Let's say you have an another female which has the same problems with the movement but they are caused not because of HD but slack ligaments. And the problems are visible... You see - with such female you would get perfect code and breed with her even if it is serious DISQUALIFYING FAULT.... Did you really never wondered about the result you get? |
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05-09-2008, 08:00 | #23 | |
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05-09-2008, 08:05 | #24 |
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Sure, it will be a thema by next common meeting of CZ and SK club. Here is discussion because some people defend this praxis and trying to evidence, that dogs under standard minimum high are OK and can be using normally in breed (code P1-5).
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05-09-2008, 08:43 | #25 | |
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05-09-2008, 08:57 | #26 | |
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If you were not ridiculous, you would realise that with the dysplasia Mery has and about which I know from her 9 months of age, I did not even have to bother to bonitate her. And that the result of the bonitation, be it whatever, would not have changed the fact that she will never breed. Your hypothesis of "if I had a female" and "then it would be disqualifying fault" have no basis on real actions or facts. You have accused me and my kennel publicly and have absolutely no ground for it, except for your hatred and paranoia that everything is about you. I would appreciate, if you apologised for the false accusations you have made on me, my kennel and my dogs. |
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05-09-2008, 10:22 | #27 | |
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Margo, My question was not against you or your dog(s)! I was just wondering.............if we have the same bonitacions...how could be big differences ??????....an in this case how could be happened that some bonitacions in some countries are not accepted......... about HD: yes...it would be good if we could see the hd results in bonitacion code....or...the dogs could be bonitated and bred just if they have got official hd results (like in Hungary and some other countries).... Edit PS: I looked through the studdog list and I couldn't find dogs under the standard with P1 and/or P3 code. But maybe it is my fault......... |
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05-09-2008, 11:07 | #28 |
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To Vaiva:
In bonitation codes are only defects. If czech breed comission (or bonitation comission) see some small exterier defects what have not character of defects, we write it to note only. Is not right, dogs with diskvalification defects have it in note, but no in codes. (In note you can read open lips, but in real it is not Really open lips, but only very little. It is just like: "danger-children of this dogs can have open lips when somebody will combinate two dogs with this small mistake". Or in note can be some mistake or defect what has not letter in bonitation code..... And: all members of Czech club can see full bonitation codes + NOTES on clubpage. We have it!!!! already. So everybody in Czech can know all about dog, what somebody wants know....On foto can be perfect dog, he can have perfect code, But in note you can read something more.... In other countries it does not exist, I think...... Do it Vaiva, make oficial club in your country (for wolfdogs), keep conditions for breeding and "our" breed will be better. |
05-09-2008, 11:46 | #29 | |
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in this years we have II CSV CLUB dogs show in Lithuania and II bonitation in me country. all dogs who have breeds right in LT have and bonitation and HD results. greatings vet.doc. FCI and bonitation judge, CVK in Lithuania president Daiva Rimaityte |
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05-09-2008, 12:02 | #30 |
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So great )). Now you can only write notes behind bonitation codes on some club pages . If all clubs wil do the same.......Dream
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05-09-2008, 12:22 | #31 |
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Why bonitationjudge can make bonitation to own dogs and puppies?
Or why somebody use electricity collar in bonitation? or they use violence? and why dog who is very aggresive have P1-P3? "everyone can live whit dog who is not looking like perfect but not if dog wants eat all peoples and other dogs"
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05-09-2008, 12:39 | #32 |
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Satu, where and when hapenned it? If is somebody member of breedcomission, he (she) must not be member of this in moment when his (her) dog make bonitation.
For example like me in Czech republic. I think, I was one time on bonitation and I was in bonitation comission. But in moment of bonitation I must not be in commission. It must be official, on the paper from bonitation where are bonitation results. I must not measure my dog, I must not tell about his result and bonitation comission have minus one member in this moment. But I don´t know, how is it in other countries...... |
05-09-2008, 12:52 | #33 | |
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yeeess...good question...I have got nice videospot about bonitacio in Hronec...some part is very interresting agressivity is biggest problem than shyness...and I think the klubs must think over and change the caracter test!!!! |
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05-09-2008, 13:01 | #34 |
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Hanka, take your time and check all bonitation results.
I think WE need INTERNATIONAL CSV CLUB and all breedclubs haves same orgin bonitation and test rules. if some club/country whant´s strict rules than orgin they can make it. Also we need more bonitationjudges and that International Club can teach all botitationjudges. I know very many breeds and they have that kind of INT CLUB. They have meetings every second year.
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05-09-2008, 13:05 | #35 |
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It would be great, but is it only wish, witch dont function. Every national kenel club is dependent and will nod accept any international club. Is only one way - every country must have own club and this clubs must cooperate and make common rules.
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05-09-2008, 13:12 | #36 |
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wow...this thread is becoming "let's see who throws more shit on other breeders!!"
Margo, can you change the title?
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05-09-2008, 13:14 | #37 |
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Oh Satu, I have not time to find all bonitations on web )))). Ufff.
I can tell you only how it is in Czech. But: what is a little funny- maybe are some eruptions on the Sun, much people write attacking articles on Poland, Czech, English forums, bad words about other people...... Or is bad position of planets....maybe |
05-09-2008, 13:16 | #38 |
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I have no time to make official request but anyway it is not SO important for me.
Somebody asked me a question and for some reason I'm not sure if I can reply. Are the recent bonitations mad in Italy: Recognized or not from Czech and Slovak club? Does anybody in contact with the club know this reply? I'm not speaking about this site, we know that the Italian bonitations are not valid for wolfdog.org, but for the official clubs? Sasha? Hanka? do you know? massimo
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05-09-2008, 13:22 | #39 | |
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05-09-2008, 13:22 | #40 | |
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Let say it open and ask Michael questions about the bonitation of Gorbi Zlata Palz directly... We were there, we know why the results was as it is... It has no sence to make something top secret because there is really nothing to hide... |
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