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Old 03-06-2011, 20:55   #21
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imo 15 months is young in a breed such as this,and a difficult time for a young male that could be going through another 'fear stage' (and teenage)as well as changing homes
Luna went though a regression (for the lack of a better term) around 12-14 months. Pollux seemed to go though the same at the same age, we think he went out of it about a month ago.

The regression wasn't fun with either but they both came out a better dog. We're writing it off as part of the maturing process.
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How important to you is it that he stay in proximity for your needs?

Surely it can't be so hard to find a nice home for a free dog of a young age and a rare breed somewhere in the USA (or even beyond).
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I We have CSVs on this side of the world from Germany, Belgium, Lithuania, Czech Rep., Slovakia, Italy...all sent "blindly".
You mentioned Lithuania, I know one dog sent from our country, could you please be more exact about the negative point in which he was mentioned?

Anyway, this sad story is also a lesson for European breeders...
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The regression wasn't fun with either but they both came out a better dog. We're writing it off as part of the maturing process.
That was what i did say Do not worry it will pass

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I didn't speak of Lithuania (or any country, or breeder) in a negative reference. In fact, my first dog was sent to me - blindly - and I would hardly say it was a negative experience. The vast majority aren't negative experiences, and the new owners love their dog for the rest of it's life. I only meant that should a time come that a dog does need to be rehomed, it is very difficult to fix the problem as a breeder across an ocean. I have helped in two situations so far - one in the US, one in Canada. In one case, the breeder was able to arrange for the young dog/puppy to return to Europe. In the other case, I worked with the breeder to find a suitable home (with someone who already owned a CSV) in another state. I know of another case, many years ago, in which a lady (from the Czech Rep., married to an American man) imported a CSV, from a respected kennel, and nice breeding in CZ, and soon determined the young female was "too wolflike" for her family once she had small children. She had spent, as I understand, a lot of time in Europe around the breed. This dog was not so fortunate...I think it was forced across the rainbow bridge.

My point is, breeders must make a careful decision about how far is too far to rescue a dog if it needs help. They also need to think about how they will accomplish this, especially if they become on bad terms with the new owner. I think mistakes can be made to sell a puppy, regardless of distance, what country the person is from, whether someone meets, or maybe even "knows" the new owner - or maybe even a death of the owner, or accident, or other such things. A good breeder should be willing to travel to help and take back the dog. Maybe a trip to Spain, or even Israel, or the UK, or who knows is possible to rescue a dog. But it becomes even more difficult across an ocean. It was my only point.
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That is Pollux's savin grace - he's gorgeous. Physically he's striking.
Could you post any photos of him? No that I doubt about it, but a photo would "materialize" him, and maybe increase his chances for a good permanent home

I'd also put him in the section "Adult CSV looking for new homes" This thread will drop at some point and there are new people coming to this site.

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Much to our surprise he enjoys "the game" out on the schutzhund field. I'm even woring on getting him to bark on command and me might, just might, be able to do a bark and hold someday.
I'm not a specialist in training, least of all in schutzhund, but from people who have trained their dogs and from what I read on the Polish WD (written by a specialist trainer in this sport) I've understood it's suitable for self-confident dogs with even temperament. The dog should undergo all stages of the training and learn not only to hold/attack, but also to control itself. Otherwise, especially when young, it may get even more confused and unpredictable. Not knowing the future of Pollux, what kind of family he'll stay with and where he will live, don't you think it might be a bit risky to start such kind of training at his 'sensitive age'? CSV mature between they're 2,5-3.
Just recently I've heard of a nice young vlcak that started schutzhund trainings with his owner, but didn't "finish the course" . Later he was adopted by another family (it was out of life necessity, the owner was devastated she had to part with him). Probably the two factors combined caused that in new situtations he started 'playing the schutzhund game' in the street with accidental pedestrians, which he never did before the trainings

I also think that CSVs being quiet creatures is their great asset for many owners (including myself). What's the point in teaching him barking if you don't know his new owner's prefereneces?

Don't treat this as criticizm, as I know little about schutzhund. These are just a few reflections based on common sense and on reading you post .
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I also think that CSVs being quiet creatures is their great asset for many owners (including myself). What's the point in teaching him barking if you don't know his new owner's prefereneces?
I wish someone would convince my dogs of this! I taught my female to "speak" on command...but mostly just so I could also teach her a gentle command to be quiet. If she gets jealous, or sees a squirrel, or there is a visitor...like all strong women, she has no problem speaking her mind! And being a CSV, she decided to teach all of my other dogs to...talk.
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Could you post any photos of him? No that I doubt about it, but a photo would "materialize" him, and maybe increase his chances for a good permanent home

I'd also put him in the section "Adult CSV looking for new homes" This thread will drop at some point and there are new people coming to this site.
Here are some (not so good) pictures (Pucktures?) we took of him the other day:

http://s118.photobucket.com/albums/o...r/pets/Pollux/


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I'm not a specialist in training, least of all in schutzhund, but from people who have trained their dogs and from what I read on the Polish WD (written by a specialist trainer in this sport) I've understood it's suitable for self-confident dogs with even temperament. The dog should undergo all stages of the training and learn not only to hold/attack, but also to control itself. Otherwise, especially when young, it may get even more confused and unpredictable. Not knowing the future of Pollux, what kind of family he'll stay with and where he will live, don't you think it might be a bit risky to start such kind of training at his 'sensitive age'? CSV mature between they're 2,5-3.
Right now he is in the full "gape" aspect of it. To him the sleeve is a toy and he wants the toy (he's on a padded puppy sleeve now). He gets the toy, he runs around with it, and then he drops it (and on occasion rolls around on it). The helper gets the sleeve, taunts him with it, and then the game starts over again. He's not serious with it at all, to him it is just playtime with him, me, and the helper.


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Just recently I've heard of a nice young vlcak that started schutzhund trainings with his owner, but didn't "finish the course" . Later he was adopted by another family (it was out of life necessity, the owner was devastated she had to part with him). Probably the two factors combined caused that in new situtations he started 'playing the schutzhund game' in the street with accidental pedestrians, which he never did before the trainings
IMO the dog didn't have the right training, or at least the wrong training at the wrong time. Pollux hasn't done any "protection" part of it and he doesn't see it as protection - he just sees it as playing. Also, any good schutzhund dog should know when to "turn it on" and when not to, it seems this dog did not.

Our club is very good and non-political (very few of those here in the USA). They are not DVG or USA affiliated (hence no politics) and their primary focus is on the dog. I've seen clubs try to ruin dogs just so they can justify their own methods and get more $$$ for training and others just flat out refuse dogs into their club that aren't good (or just insult the dog until the owners leave).

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I also think that CSVs being quiet creatures is their great asset for many owners (including myself). What's the point in teaching him barking if you don't know his new owner's prefereneces?

Don't treat this as criticizm, as I know little about schutzhund. These are just a few reflections based on common sense and on reading you post .
Quiet? Vlcaks are a quiet breed? You've never met our Luna. Pollux, though, I'm trying to train him to bark on command. He never barks unless he sees other dogs (like Luna) go running past his crate and he wants to come out to play or when he and Luna are playing a lot, then they get chatty. Other than that, he's very quiet.
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Why has this puppy this type of collar? Has he any serious problem? Or?....
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Thanks Ed for the explanations.

Well, I know quite a few quiet vlcaks
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Here are some (not so good) pictures (Pucktures?) we took of him the other day:

http://s118.photobucket.com/albums/o...r/pets/Pollux/
Is there a reason way you want to show him like this...
Whit the tail between the legs I mean, is he very shy ???

If not, I would try to get better photos fast...

It´s hard to find a grown Vlcak a good home, even a really good one, if they are shy it is even harder...

Can you give us all a smal presentation of how he is ???

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Okay, I do not usually wirte here on forum, but this is almost too much, on international forum too....

First If you want a dog, have thought over it and is ready to take a new family member, then get a Golden Retriever or som other nice pet.

If you really are not like all other friends and people, are ready to offer your life, your world for to socialize a little adorable CzW puppy, share moments of love, hate and all in all understanding, think over it not once, not twice, but you should almost be sleepless of worrying am I the right person for this breed. Because there is seldom falut in puppy or young dog, it is in 95% of the cases in the upper end of the leash the problems start.

I have followed here Pollux story, from importing, from blackmailing Edit for sending dog, to successful training news and good news. And suddelly he is searching for new home. Has something happend, if he is unpredicatble in your eyes?


To EARN the trust of a wolfdog is not like owning a Golden Retriever or some other nice regular pet.
Maybe you should think twice to search for him a new home now, because young age, insecure of the whole world, lost home changeing wolfdog is not the best dog to send on to a new home. The pictures tell me he needs time, and that collar, what is that ? Is he a monster or is it beautiful to have lot of chains around dogs neck????? If he is shy, it is your responsibility to give him time, YOU CAN NOT GET A CZ WOLFDOG
and think he will be perfect service dog, far from all CzW are suitable for working. And the buyer should have read so much about the breed that they know what dogs these are.

This is why I tell people that are interested in this breed for whatever reason, work, family, to get a regular pet, because they do not know anything about them, and if told, some seem not to understand.

The ones that come visit me and my dogs several times, spend time, show me that they are "dogpeople, and loves wolves and are able to understand the breed, those are people that could be future puppy buyers.. and even how much you trust puppy buyer and theur sotires bla bla bla.. they can be bad homes.
But Somebody helping somebody to get a CzW and has seen maybe only a few dogs of this breed can not know what they are buying.

I imported my first CzW without seeing it in february 2007, and I had never seen in real life A CzW. It was not easy, but I was very much prepared for whatever was to come with shy puppy. IT TAKES TIME, some dogs (like people too) develop slower, might need more soft training and a lot of understanding. Today I have 6 CzW, all different in heart and soul, all very kind, and some more good for training, some not at all, but ALL OF THEM ARE BOUGHT TO BE LOVED FAMILY MEMBERS!
And each one of them means the world to me ! no matter if little shy or little bit unpredictable in some situations in young age...

A Czechoslovakian Wolfdog is in my eyes adult and stabile in the age 3,5-4 years. So dont give up..

This is why my heart breakes when reading these kind of stories on international forum. A lot of dogs change homes, a lot of dogs are beeing put to sleep, because owners do not know what they are buying and breeder make mistake and sell/place puppy to bad homes. And I find that very sad
But so it is, and nobody is perfect breeder or buyer,

I Hope you could be little more mature and give him some time, and remember, that even though you have other dogs that are able to be trained to service dogs, Pollux is also a pet, that needs lot of love and understanding for what he is. Remember he is young, give him time, please think of what a re-homeing again would make him more shy and insecure, it is not easy for all individuals of CzW to trust people, and if he cant have a "home" a safe place where to be relaxed and feel loved, he might maybe never be able to trust people like others.

I have re-homed a puppy (1 year) CzW that had lived in bad conditions, and he is today a happy family dog, but will probably forever be very insecure and shy for strangers. And I had him for a few months to see what he was as 11 months old, and I saw potential and understood him, I decided he could move,he was very afraid of everything, even that the sky would fall over him. He could only move to special home, with a girl that has very big heart an a great love for wolves, she understand him, they are now best friends. If I had not found her, I would not have given him away, because it is my responsibility, my dog.

But I think regular dog trainer for GSD or other working dog breeds are too hard to understand our sensitive breed. They are not problem dogs, they need understanding and a very strong leader in mind, to be a safe friend if shy.
Everything is possible, but please think twice. It is YOUR responsibility. All your writeing about him makes everything so un nessecary WORL WIDE. Isn't it most important to concentrate on the dog, not telling the whole world you have a problem on this so "friendly" forum.............



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Why has this puppy this type of collar? Has he any serious problem? Or?....
We had a problem with him trying to run back into the house (to the point of almost dislocating shoulders). The pinch collar stopped it plus we also feel it is the most secure type of collar you can get that isn't a choke (we don't like to use choke collars).

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Is there a reason way you want to show him like this...
Whit the tail between the legs I mean, is he very shy ???

If not, I would try to get better photos fast...

It´s hard to find a grown Vlcak a good home, even a really good one, if they are shy it is even harder...
Can you give us all a smal presentation of how he is ???

Very best regards / Mikael
His tail is down but not completely tucked but also, he's smiling in the pictures. He's odd, he's very outgoing at the dog park, has even walked up to strangers and kisses them at the dog park.

Watch the videos of him at schutzhund, you'll see a confident and playful dog.

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I have followed here Pollux story, from importing, from blackmailing Edit for sending dog, to successful training news and good news. And suddelly he is searching for new home. Has something happend, if he is unpredicatble in your eyes?
Do I really need to answer this question again? Please go back and re-read what I've posted before you start ranting again. Read why he is at our home now and why we're the ones taking care of him.

Seriously, I'm on the verge of asking the admins to delete this thread. I'm starting to think it was a waste of time asking for help here.
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His tail is down but not completely tucked but also, he's smiling in the pictures. He's odd, he's very outgoing at the dog park, has even walked up to strangers and kisses them at the dog park.

Watch the videos of him at schutzhund, you'll see a confident and playful dog.
OK, can you put up that video (instead of the photos) it might help him to get a new home

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PS, that kind of collars are forbidden by law i many EU country´s ( if not all) that is way people are woundering... Here in Sweden it is animal cruelty to use them, if you mean this kind >>> http://www.google.se/search?hl=sv&rl...pinch%20collar , DS.
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OK, can you put up that video (instead of the photos) it might help him to get a new home

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You mean like here?

http://www.wolfdog.org/forum/showthread.php?t=18713

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That's a different debate for a different thread.
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YES ! thats better

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We had a problem with him trying to run back into the house (to the point of almost dislocating shoulders). The pinch collar stopped it plus we also feel it is the most secure type of collar you can get that isn't a choke (we don't like to use choke collars).

oh im sure it stopped it

re secure collars,i have siberian huskys,escape artists to the extreme! no need for prongs with them...a safe 'racing' collar which doesnt choke or hurt is what i use!

or a simple 'head collar' whilst training..pinch are for the lazy( and cruel )that want a quick fix!

time, patience,trust and understanding is what dogs need
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Seriously, I'm on the verge of asking the admins to delete this thread. I'm starting to think it was a waste of time asking for help here.
i guess people are just passionate and protective about the breed,i dont think its personal,your 'friends' imo had money to burn and they bought their latest 'whim' and got bored...then passed the problem on,and sadly its you having to deal with it and what comes with it.

i really hope he finds a home with someone that understands him and that he stays there forever this time....i wish you and him luck in doing this.
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oh im sure it stopped it

re secure collars,i have siberian huskys,escape artists to the extreme! no need for prongs with them...a safe 'racing' collar which doesnt choke or hurt is what i use!

or a simple 'head collar' whilst training..pinch are for the lazy( and cruel )that want a quick fix!

time, patience,trust and understanding is what dogs need
Your life must be pretty perfect to have to come here to dictate to others how they should live their lives while putting them down in the process. Do I really need to get into Pollux's entire history just to justify everything? Do you know what we've done? No. Do you know how much time and energy we've spent on him? No. So why are you coming out as an expert on his situation? Every dog is different and just because something works with one dog doesn't mean it'll work with all dogs.

Also, I now hope that the admins DO NOT delete this thread so that when new people come here they'll see the trule colors of the community. We tried to do the right thing and after months of reabilitating Pollux we post that we're looking for a new home and instead of help I get ridiculed and everyting is being analyzed - as well as people making false assumptions about us and Pollux's situation.

At least now I know who would be willing to help in the future and who will just compalin. I guess the old saying is true, no good deed goes unpunished.

Added: Also, I'm done defending myself. Don't expect a response if you post anything other than help.

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Well, sorry you felt attacked. I think some were really trying to help.

I think, for one, that Pollux ought to be fixed and re-homed with whatever nice pet home you can find - anywhere in the US, or anywhere that wants him and can provide for him, really. Can you really not find a nice home for him? He's a young, healthy (I assume), free dog with some basic training behind him. On top of that he's of a rare breed. Maybe put him on Petfinder. I've found nice homes for many 'less desirable' fosters that way, ones of a common breed (or even mix), old, ill health, etc.

I don't think it's especially fair to him to 'hold out' on a new home waiting for one in your area which would be convenient to you, especially since things seem to be getting busy with your other dogs.
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