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Old 10-02-2009, 21:36   #1
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Hi, we are about to change rules for workingclasscertificat/working champion for CSW in Denmark and I want to know what exams in Czech rep. and Slovakia is needed for obtaining the workingclasscertificat in countries of origin ?

I know SVP1 is enough and ofcourse IPO1, but what else(in Denmark you will need IPO1 for now) ?

ZPU1 ?

and what exams is enough to get title working champion ?

I know 3 x CACT is enough in Slovakia, but CACT is only awarded in competitions/trials(in Denmark you will need IPO3 for now) ?

I hope someone will be kind to help me with this, so we can have similar rules in Denmark as in Czech rep. and Slovakia !

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Old 12-02-2009, 21:36   #2
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Hi, we are about to change rules for workingclasscertificat/working champion for CSW in Denmark and I want to know what exams in Czech rep. and Slovakia is needed for obtaining the workingclasscertificat in countries of origin ?

I know SVP1 is enough and ofcourse IPO1, but what else(in Denmark you will need IPO1 for now) ?

ZPU1 ?

and what exams is enough to get title working champion ?

I know 3 x CACT is enough in Slovakia, but CACT is only awarded in competitions/trials(in Denmark you will need IPO3 for now) ?

I hope someone will be kind to help me with this, so we can have similar rules in Denmark as in Czech rep. and Slovakia !

Greetings Rolf
Maby you can ask the clubs as nobody answers here...

Slovakian official CsV club info[email protected]_sk or [email protected]_org
Leader of czech CsV club [email protected]_cz

But you must take away the _ for them to work = forum spam filter

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Old 12-02-2009, 21:45   #3
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Maby you can ask the clubs as nobody answers here...

Slovakian official CsV club [email protected]_sk or [email protected]_org
Leader of czech CsV club [email protected]_cz

But you must take away the _ for them to work = forum spam filter

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Thanks Mikael ...I already did write to both of them, in same time as I made this post

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Old 12-02-2009, 21:48   #4
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Thanks Mikael ...I already did write to both of them, in same time as I made this post

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Then it is a competition... Ho has the fastest club members
Or is an unofficial forum faster ???

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Old 12-02-2009, 22:22   #5
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Then it is a competition... Ho has the fastest club members
Or is an unofficial forum faster ???

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Well I asked both clubs, because they might have different rules ?
and I wrote the topic here because I thought maybe someone here already did know the rules of both clubs ?

Greetings Rolf
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Old 13-02-2009, 15:51   #6
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Well I asked both clubs, because they might have different rules ?
and I wrote the topic here because I thought maybe someone here already did know the rules of both clubs ?

Greetings Rolf
Oooo yes I understand

I just think it will be fun to se ho will answer you fastest

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Old 13-02-2009, 16:25   #7
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Oooo yes I understand

I just think it will be fun to se ho will answer you fastest

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I got already answer from Karel Skoupy yesterday, but there is no hurry ...and he will have to check it out for me before giving a complete answer

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As far as I know in CZ and SK only exams similar to IPO are recognized for working certificate and SVP of course. It means: IPO-V, IPO1 and higher, SchH1 and ZVV1 for Czech Rep (and SVV1 for Slovakia) and SVP1 (not ZVP1). ZPU1 was insufficient last time I checked.
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As far as I know in CZ and SK only exams similar to IPO are recognized for working certificate and SVP of course. It means: IPO-V, IPO1 and higher, SchH1 and ZVV1 for Czech Rep (and SVV1 for Slovakia) and SVP1 (not ZVP1). ZPU1 was insufficient last time I checked.
Thanks for your answer Przemek
I just thought that I remembered some thread about rules(but I can`t find it now) was made more easy for CSW, but maybe I mix it up with rules for Czech champion or is working certificat also needed for this title ?

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Old 20-02-2009, 01:01   #10
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I got now (almost) complete answer for workingcertificat in Slovakia thanks to Sasha

http://www.skj.sk/english/slk_champ.html

Passing of the following tests/trials entitles the working dog to be entered in the working class at national, all-state, special and club shows in Slovakia:

a) National trial regulations: ZM, SVV 1 to 3, SPO, SPS, SPZ 1 and 2, SLP 1 and 2, PZ 1 to 3
b) international trial regulations: IPO 1 to 3, SchHA, SchH 1 to 3, FH 1 and 2, RH-F A and B, RH-FL A and B, RH-T A and B, RH-L A, RH-W A-B-C-D.

...But I see SVP 1 to 3 is missing from the list ?

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Old 20-02-2009, 12:31   #11
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Poor Rolf, nobody answer you.....
here is answer from Czech. The dog must have some this exam:
a) dle národního zkušebního řádu ČR (ČKS a MSKS)
- ZVV 1 – každý ze tří oddílů zkoušky musí být hodnocen minimálně 70 body
- SchH – každý ze tří oddílů zkoušky musí být hodnocen minimálně 70 body
b) dle zkušebního řádu ovladatelnosti a pracovní upotřebitelnosti psů (KJ Brno) ZPÚ 2 – každý ze tří oddílů zkoušky musí být hodnocen minimálně 70 body
c) dle mezinárodního zkušebního řádu FCI pracovní kynologie (ČKS a MSKS)
- IPO 1 – každý ze tří oddílů zkoušky musí být hodnocen minimálně 70 body
- IPO FH – každý ze dvou oddílů zkoušky musí být hodnocen minimálně 70 body
d) dle mezinárodního zkušebního řádu IRO pro záchranné psy (SZBK ČR)
RH-F A, RH-FL A, RH-T A, RH-L A, RH-W A
- každý ze tří oddílů zkoušky musí být hodnocen minimálně 70% bodů
e) dle řádu zkoušek a soutěží v ovládání ovčáckých psů (KJ Brno)
- ZPOP 1 – dosažením nejméně 61 bodů této jednooddílové zkoušky
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Old 20-02-2009, 14:35   #12
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Hi Hanka,

Thanks for your reply
I already got some answers as you can see above
...But I did not get complete answer about Czech regulations form Mr. Skoupy yet.

These rules are for workingcertificat right ?

Do you have any idea of which exams are similar, I know ZVV and SVV are the same, but the rest I don`t know ?

I guess SVP 1 to 3 also is missing from your list ?

I have this book of Czech exams called "zkušební řád" from ČMKU, but I can not find the exam called ZPOP1 ? Can somebody please explain what is this exam ? ...maybe it is for shepherd dogs, but I am not sure ?

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In Czech must be wolfdogs working dogs, not runing dogs. every shy wolfdog can run 40km ))
ZVV and SVV is the same
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Old 20-02-2009, 15:05   #14
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In Czech must be wolfdogs working dogs, not runing dogs. every shy wolfdog can run 40km ))
ZVV and SVV is the same
So if a person from Czech rep. complete SVP1(not ZVP1) in Slovakia with his/her dog and get the application for workingcertificat, ČMKU will not approve it ?

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For example: I will go to Slovakia for SVP. My female has muuuch titles in Slovakia, Germany, Czech. It menas she can be champion of Slovakia, Germany, but not czech champion. For czech champion she must have some WORKING exam from this list
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I forgot: ZPOP is exam for dogs what handled sheeps. Really good work for our breed
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For example: I will go to Slovakia for SVP. My female has muuuch titles in Slovakia, Germany, Czech. It menas she can be champion of Slovakia, Germany, but not czech champion. For czech champion she must have some WORKING exam from this list
I think maybe you don`t understand ?
When completing SVP1 in Slovakia it is possible to get workingcertificat(from FCI), which means the dog can compete in workingclass in all countries, will ČMKU not recognize a workingcertificat from FCI as valid for Czech champion ?

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I forgot: ZPOP is exam for dogs what handled sheeps. Really good work for our breed
Thanks

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hmmm, I thought I ansewred. Maybe somebody with better english can explain it more...
No, ČMKU will not recognized workingcertificate from other states for Czech champion. If you mean something another, write me email )
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You did answer , I was just not sure that I understood right, because I thought a workingcertificat was international and should be recognized in all FCI countries ...but I guess that I was wrong !!!

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