Czechoslovakian Wolfdogs said to be Man Killers

[Dharkwolf]

This is a translation from an article which appeared in the french journal "
Dernières Nouvelles d'Alsace." It is the subject of much discussion on the French forum.

It is close to the outskirts of Strassburg that Christopher Mad’dene laid down his bags some years back. With his wife, Diane, and two children, Gwylan, four, and Quentin, sixteen, he lives entirely his passion for wolves with this four wolfdogs, three Saarloos and one Czechoslovakian. Charon, Whitson, Nike and Paxoue.

Born in 1971, at Lons-le-Saunier, Christopher Mad’dene met his first wolf when he was four. He remembers that they had put him down between the legs of that animal that day. “The virus caught him and never left him”. He grew up surrounded by dogs, huskies and malamutes, that his father who was in the military, trained for sled racing.

The years passed. Little by little Christopher imposed his incredible temperament. He left school and trained with a sword and martial arts, he works in proximity protection, has business in Africa, and falls ill. Hepatitis B and Malaria, which leave him completely drained.

Very weak, forced to stay at home, Christopher uses what energy he had left to create Ame-Our, an association destined to help sick children and their families. There he meets Diane, a young woman with a passion for wolves, graduate from the Central school of canine studies. While he learns to know her, Christopher decides to use his free time to help the young woman realise her dream, to adopt a Saarloss wolfdog.

Another name becomes important to them: that of Cornelia Keizer, owner of the Louba-Tar breeding station, a reference for the breed in Europe. Whitson enters in the life of Christopher, and with him Diane. Today three other wolfdogs have joined the pack. Charon and Nike, two Saarloos, and Paxoue, a little Czechoslovakian wolfdog that Christopher has kept in spite of the hatred which that race inspires in him.

If Christopher truly worships Saarloos, this dog born in the 30s from a German shepherd and Fleur, a Russian wolf, he does not have words strong enough to talk about the Czechoslovakian wolfdog, a hybrid created in Eastern Europe during the cold war. A “dangerous aberration”, a man killer, he formally advises against owning these dogs.

According to Christopher the Saarloos should remain a confidential dog, an animal reserved to people knowing perfectly the behaviour of both dogs and wolves. The Saarloos and the Czechoslovakian are both forbidden in Great Britain, where the law strictly controls their ownership. One must have all the necessary equipment and authorizations.

Today, the Saarloos’ of Christopher are stars, “Le Pacte des Loups”, “Les visiteurs 2” “Le Petit Poucet” and the ads of the Nicolas Hulot foundation. And yet training Saarloos to work is a difficult task. Shy, stubborn and scared, the Saarloos has inherited from the wolf an atavistic fear of man. That which Christopher asks of them is almost impossible! But years of careful training and loving can perform miracles. “They don’t work for themselves, they work for me, for the pleasure they give me” explains Christopher, who every day wonders at the beauty of his four wolfdogs.

At the head of Clan Mad’dene, his production society, Christopher continues on his way. Par shaman, part musicien, part philosopher, he lives his passions, but unfortunately does manage to live from them. His work as an expert in intelligence and high security, and that of Diane, medical representative, manage to keep the family going. The wolfdogs, but also the rats, ferrets, and giant Gambian rats. All these animals Christopher trains for the cinema, mediaeval show, and street happenings.

In Christopher’s home, the cohabitation between man and beasts follows an essential rule, dictated by common sense; the animals must have an interest in living in the company of man. Just like the wolf, who in his natural environment never attacks man, yet never hesitates when he feels confident to try to approach man. With this direct line as a credo, Christopher continues on his way, always pushed by his hope of always doing what he loves in life.

[ligerwolve]

If you ask me, I would not give this guy a puppy. No matter what breed it is. All dogs need proper training and socialization. But all the people I know who work with dogs in the airforce are the same. They think that good working dogs are to much for just any body. They want to keep them to themselves This kind of attitide creates fear and at first everyone is happy such a dangerous dog is kept by professionals. But then they see one on the news or something and then get scarred again and ask why such a dangerous dog is allowed to exist at all. Eventually the goverment will give in to the mass panicking and destroy these dogs. Any way some of the experts on canines would be better owners.

[Mirkawolf]

If Christopher truly worships Saarloos, this dog born in the 30s from a German shepherd and Fleur, a Russian wolf, he does not have words strong enough to talk about the Czechoslovakian wolfdog, a hybrid created in Eastern Europe during the cold war. A “dangerous aberration”, a man killer, he formally advises against owning these dogs.

I personally do not understand, why the guy likes Saarloos and hates CSW, when it is almost the same origin. Fleur was also not Russian wolf, but Canadian! And most of all, why he got himself CSW, when he hates them?
And how he can openly say such a crap about them? A man killer? The guy is not normal!

Mirka

[saschia]

"He grew up surrounded by dogs, huskies and malamutes, that his father who was in the military, trained for sled racing."

Well, Czechoslovak wolfdogs were first bred for purposes of Czechoslovak army, to guard the borders against "deserters" and "imperialistic intruders" and I expect feeling were reciprocal in western armies... Pity that politics can make such blind hatred against breed now kept mostly by civilians... And clearly no more dangerous than any other common breed. Let's hope french-speakers do something about this article...

[z Peronówki]

Originally Posted by Mirkawolf1

I personally do not understand, why the guy likes Saarloos and hates CSW, when it is almost the same origin.
Mirka

Mirka, there were specific situation between owners of these both breeds before. After I buyed a CzW I found more information about CzWs on the Saarloos Wolfdogs owners web pages than on the sites about CzWs... Sure the published facts were not good for our breed - I read our dogs are shy (?), agressive. Saarloos compared to CzW are "social" (my favourite word now ).
Just imagine - in that time most articles published in Polish dog magazines were reprints from French, German (simply said West European) magazines. And there was always the same: "Saarloos good, CzW bad". Many people were surprised I buyed CzW because they were sure Saarloos is perfect dog for work (because people from Search and Rescue groups use them for rescue people).

Don't forget the situation in Norway and now even in UK - you can't count with help of Saarloos owners. Some of them even agreed CzWs should be banned (the only important thing is Saarloos Wolfdogs will profit from it and is safe).

And last: do you really think Christopher Mad’dene invented his stupid words about CzWs? No, he heard it for sure from some of the dog owners. I'm sure they were Saarloos owners/breeders because none of the CzW owners can say such fairy tales....

[Sorry for such steep words about Saarloos owners - I know people which really love wolfdogs and see disadvantages and advantages of their breed. But I have enough of people which asked about character of Saarloos start their description with "Distinct from Czechoslovakian Wolfdogs Saarloos are....."]

[z Peronówki]

If Christopher truly worships Saarloos, this dog born in the 30s from a German shepherd and Fleur, a Russian wolf, he does not have words strong enough to talk about the Czechoslovakian wolfdog, a hybrid created in Eastern Europe during the cold war. A “dangerous aberration”, a man killer, he formally advises against owning these dogs.

Do someone have an Christopher's email address? Maybe someone should advice him to read something about breed he owns. Maybe he thinks he is real VIP now but with such text he shows his huge ignorance of history of this breed. Sure CzW was created in Eastern Europe. Sure it was during the cold war. The idea was to create a Super-Dog... But the only man killer is the animal we can read about in "Little Red Ridding Hood".

If he would read/ask something instead to hear to fables told by other people he would know the main application for CzWs was tracking work. Sure they were also trained for Schutzhund but all dogs in the army are trained for it....
If he would ask someone who worked and trained CzW he would know during all the time CzW were used on the border there was only one case the dog attacked a man (Mr. Christopher can ask Mr. Hartl directly and get it on the paper). The reason was the man tried to attack the dog so it was self-defence...

PS. Does anybody know something about his dog Paxoue? I never heard about him. Is it pure breed? Maybe he has so horrible character that Christopher Mad’dene decided dogs similar to him can be dangerous...?

[Pavel]

Its clear for me - Christopher is absolutelly dilettante.
Yes, its true, CsW (like all police or military dogs) were trained to tracing and catch the people. BUT, and its the difference between reality and legends, which belive Christopher, such dog mustn't kill the people, because police or army need the people alive. They dont need kill only, the priority are the informations (because they need destroy whole organisation and not only catch and kill one man). I must say, that I never heard about any case, that on border in past kill the dog somebody.
Christoper, dont belive the fairy tales or action movies, its not reality !!!

[Mirkawolf]

Originally Posted by Margo

Sure the published facts were not good for our breed - I read our dogs are shy (?), agressive. Saarloos compared to CzW are "social" (my favourite word now ).
Just imagine - in that time most articles published in Polish dog magazines were reprints from French, German (simply said West European) magazines. And there was always the same: "Saarloos good, CzW bad". Many people were surprised I buyed CzW because they were sure Saarloos is perfect dog for work (because people from Search and Rescue groups use them for rescue people).

I am really tired of all these fairy tales, how Saarloos is great, working and SOCIAL! Since I moved to Belgium, I´ve met quite many of them, and most of them do not behave like great or social and I could not speak about working at all!
The only sort of "normal" Saarlooses I´ve seen so far were owned by Christa from Holland.. All the rest of Saarlooses that I saw at dog shows or other occasions were shy scared poor things. How can somebody love animal behaving like that and be happy about him being shy, is a mystery for me. And most of their owners really think, that´s how the dogs should be! Because of the wolf in them! But hey, it is such a nonsense. Of course, wolf is shy of a man, but that´s because normal wolf does not ever get socialised to humans, he lives in the wild. But of course, the wolf is not affraid of the environment, that he knows! And so if a wolfdog is raised in a family, then it would be only normal, if he is socialised to humans and is not affraid of the things, that surround him!

I am sure there must be more Saarlooses, that are normal ie socialised and behaving like normal dogs, but unfortunately their owners probably do not propagate them much. Pity.

And CSW is a man killer, because it did not lost it´s working abilities, because you can train it defense and because the dog can guard you, your house or garden? Blah. Every normal dog can do that.. So what is the problem?

We really do not need guys like Christopher to "propagate" our breed.

Mirka

[z Peronówki]

Originally Posted by Mirkawolf1

I am sure there must be more Saarlooses, that are normal ie socialised and behaving like normal dogs, but unfortunately their owners probably do not propagate them much. Pity.

You know what is really surprising for me: Saarlooses are more wolfish than REAL wolves... To all owners of shy, not socialized Saarloos Wolfdogs (and shy CzWs also) I suggest to visit for example Wolf Park Stobnica near Poznan where anyone can go into the wolf paddock: play with them, stroke them. They will even aport threw sticks... And there are many other examples - good socialized Wolf ist still wild animal but it is not affaird of people as many Wolfdogs are.

Two weeks ago we worked with a wolf pack from Hungary - here is our first meeting with one of them - the young male wolf...

[Xhrista]

Originally Posted by Mirkawolf1

I personally do not understand, why the guy likes Saarloos and hates CSW, when it is almost the same origin. Fleur was also not Russian wolf, but Canadian! And most of all, why he got himself CSW, when he hates them?
And how he can openly say such a crap about them? A man killer? The guy is not normal!

Mirka

Fleur was not a canadian wolf,but a europeaan wolf,a very little one.Maybe someone can show a picture of her with Gerard the German shepherd,or take a look here http://www.clubs.nl/community/default.asp?clubid=44239
That at this time some SWH's more look like a Timber ore Canadian wolf,is maybe becaus in some country's breeders also have Wolf(hybrides).

And both ,CSW and SWH have very different types in the breed.I also have,1 very shy type,you can also say,very carefull and one good worker.

But if people wants to have a worker,I always say they must take a CSW.Most SWH only works when they want it itself.

Gr. Christa

[Xhrista]

Originally Posted by Margo

After I buyed a CzW I found more information about CzWs on the Saarloos Wolfdogs owners web pages than on the sites about CzWs... Sure the published facts were not good for our breed - I read our dogs are shy (?), agressive. Saarloos compared to CzW are "social" (my favourite word now ).
Just imagine - in that time most articles published in Polish dog magazines were reprints from French, German (simply said West European) magazines. And there was always the same: "Saarloos good, CzW bad". Many people were surprised I buyed CzW because they were sure Saarloos is perfect dog for work (because people from Search and Rescue groups use them for rescue people).



[Sorry for such steep words about Saarloos owners - I know people which really love wolfdogs and see disadvantages and advantages of their breed. But I have enough of people which asked about character of Saarloos start their description with "Distinct from Czechoslovakian Wolfdogs Saarloos are....."]

That's why we have a special wolfdog day in Schoten at 4 juni.People can see both breeds and I hope that a lot of different dogs,from different breeders(very importent )come to this day.

I know that a lot of Saarloos people outside the netherlands ,reading homepages from people outside the land of origin(the same with the CWS)and than you get a wrong picture of the breed.

A Saarloos is not a worker,some of them are shy ,maybe careful is better word.
There are a couple of Saarloos TRAINED as a rescue dog,but they never WORKED as a rescue dog.
You can TRAINED them in many things,but don't do an exame or Match,they let you down.

They are both fine dogs,with there own character.My Solo is a little bit like a CWS,and I saw Shadow,last week ,and he is more like a Saarloos.So maybe it's more the way the breeders do there work, how the dogs are.

Hope ,you don't misunderstand me,because is difficult to say this things in another language.

Gr. Christa

[mijke]

I would like that Christopher would come to the activity day in Schoten!
Then he could see how those "mankillers" and saarlooswolfdogs are just normal pets who behave normal and social.

Of course when people don't socialise their dogs or when they did not any obedience training some dogs can behave very weird! Such owners are total out of control with their dogs...
And then it seems sometimes that such dogs are acting like "man killers"
And that is not a special behaviour for wolfdogs... I know from the past, that there was a pack of newfoundlanders who did live total selfsupport. And after a few years it seems (for layman) that all these dogs were "mankillers". But after socialising and training they were behaving quitte normal.

And both ,CSW and SWH have very different types in the breed.I also have,1 very shy type,you can also say,very carefull and one good worker

I am glad I know Christa and her dogs very well, just like much more honest saarloos owners
And I am glad with all these honest people who tell and show that there are different types in the breed.
And that is exact the same in the CsW breed.... I did meet a lot of CsW in several country's, and I saw also very "shy" (sometimes even very frightened), but also very "agressive" CsW.
And that is just the same like in all other breeds!
And that is why I think it is importent for breeders to work together to have not all different types (exterior and behaviour) of Csw in future

(yes, I know thats why there are bonitations. But not every breeder will go to CZ for this. So one of my big wishes is that a lot of breeders will use the forums of wolfdog to discuss about types in a honest way )
And maybe then we don't have to judge so fast about eachother... maybe we can find a way that more breeders feel "safe" on wolfdog and we can use this site for make things going in a better way)

But if people wants to have a worker,I always say they must take a CSW.Most SWH only works when they want it itself

And that is why I like it to go to meertings, events, aso with these kind of saarloos people with my CsW's
Then we all cooperate and propagate together the both breeds in a honest way

On the dutch forum Christa did tell, that in saarloos world were also "story's about the CsW. But that she is glad that since tha last years with sevaral walkings together, everybody could see that also CsW are normal socialised pets

And that's why I hope that a lot of people from both breeds (with dogs from different breeders!) will also come to the activity day in Schoten (near Antwerpen) Then we can see eachothers breed, ask a lot, and see a lot.
And maybe then in futura there is more understanding and cooperation. Because we all love Wolfdogs!

greetings
Mijke

[Ness]

Hello, I am French and I excuse myself for my bad English, I is useful myself of a translator . In France we try to see what we can do against this insane, but it is not obvious. Thus veiled what it there with like explanations:

Thierry:

What the article does not say, it is that Christopher was constrained to make prick one of its Thèques, which suddenly had "péter leads" while being attacked without apparent reasons, to its 3 year old young girl (quietly lengthened on the settee family) and inflicting serious wounds to him.

And for margo: Veiled the address of are site or you will find his mall http://www.maddene.com/cadre_maddene.htm

I made an exposure to Luxembourg and I can say to you that I saw unapproachable Saarloos it attacked really maliciously, then has my opinion all error come only from the Master. My bitches are super nice. They adore the children. I think that they would not have to leave his/her daughter alone with the dog if it does not know not educated and besides one does not leave a dog alone with a 3 year old child... Thus with which it fault?

Sabine.

[Huan]

For me it is very interesting. Christopher alone is unknown in the world of CzW but this doesn't stop him from making such statements. Apparently there is someone who passed this silly description of CzWs as "Man killers" to him as he doesn't have enough experience with this breed.

I would like to point your attention to the sentence from the article:

Another name becomes important to them: that of Cornelia Keizer, owner of the Louba-Tar breeding station, a reference for the breed in Europe

The name is also very often mentioned on his web site. I assume that she's the main source of information to Christopher. Maybe we should ask her if she shares the opinion of Christopher. This would be however very strange considering the fact that Mrs. Keizer breeds Saarloos Wolfhonds and Czechoslovakian wolfdogs aka "Man Killers".

which suddenly had "péter leads" while being attacked without apparent reasons, to its 3 year old young girl

There is no such thing as "attack without a reason". There are two options:

1) the dog was ill (e.g. brain cancer) - this is very unlikely

2) the person who cared for the dog is guilty; not only didn't he trained the dog but the person allowed the dog to become unsocialized animal which attacks everyone because of fear (there must be a reason for attack and "fear" is a very good one). Don't forget according to scientific researches: in the last 50 years there was only one person killed by a wolf and the person was called little red riding hood . Every puppy is by birth a "tabula rasa" and it's the breeder and owner responsibility to socialize, educate and care for the dog and to make sure it becomes a social animal.

If a dog becomes "Man Killer" then there is only one person to blame - THE OWNER

[Philippe]

Hi, all,

Bad news, guys, I'm french too!

Dharkwolf and Ness shared with you the main problem we faced today in France.

Przemek, reading your post, I think there is another possibility which can explain the dog bite the child... I acted as a secretary for the siberian husky club some years ago, and a man phoned me, asking for a new home for his dog, who bites her child's face, before he shoot him down!
After a while, he explained the dog was sleeping under a table, and the child walked on his legs when quiting his chair! Self-defense? Who's fault is it?

Before acting, one way or another, we need your opinion
Not only consideration about reasons (I thank you for your posts) or your love for your dogs (we all are convinced the CsV is not more dangerous than any other dog except when not correctly trained). Regarding the fact the CsV is quite young in western european countries, and have met (and meet?) opposition in native countries, how have owners, breeders react, yesterday (or today)??? Petition, article(s) in newspaper, action from the breed club?

Thanks in advance for your help

Philippe

[Ness]

Hello, here the response of Mad' Dene on the site: http://www.la-meute.org/viewtopic.ph...r=asc&start=15

I translates it for you as I can.

Christopher Mad' Dene known as:
Amis(es), and hurleurs of any hair, I will not enter no polemic, but engaging matter that me I assume them, no matter what thinks all and sundry of them, this message will be thus only and single and is only to carry some objective precision and elements, namely:
1/In the history of the dog, seldom an animal, at least since the dogs of wars to the Middle Ages, had had a "prize list" also directed attacks on man only Czech, race créee to clean No man' S Land of the ex empire named the USSR of any human presence in a radical and final way. The race was of elsewhere creates at the origin on request of Russian who found their shepherds German and other dogs of wars too "softwares" and insufficiently resistant in their task of physical elimination of the human beings trying to cross the aforementioned No man' S Land, that it acts spies trying to be introduced in the USSR or, with my more serious direction, oppressed defectors or populations trying to flee communist tyranny which, rappellons it, with fact 40 million died and was all except a model of humanism, y included/understood in his report/ratio with the Ici animal still it is the man which is to be blamed, the Czech some nombred' between you to believe of it the virulence and the hatred of certain remarks I for my part identified only two Czech typologies: guards, possibly gérables so main qualified, and the attackers, to proscribe Prendre similar risk on a race that of aucuns intend for general public appears irresponsible me and criminal. Concerning this chapter, it acts in fact, and even of history... I thus invite the ignares to inform myself and by then keep silent myself, which would constitute the outline of a pretence of Wisdom!
2/I have small Czech whom I adore and who live in family in company of three Saarloos and my children, it has néammoins a temperament to supervise and could not be put between all the hands... 3/Concerning the attack that my daughter underwent on behalf of Czech whom I made prick: My daughter was then old of three years and half, the dog had 10 months and had always lived in family, with it amongst other things... The day of the attack my wife, graduate amongst other things of the canine national school, was in the same part as Gwuilan and this young Czech. My daughter, base, played, the dog passed beside it without any particular demonstration, it made him a simple caress on the leg, which was worth two to him attack rapids and violent with the face before my wife cannot control it... 4 days with the urgencies, one of the wound which to 1 ready cm could have cost him an eye, the culpability which resulted from this in its small-minded person more than shocked by this act of pure free violence, of madness.... As for the dog, it was called Ophire, I adored it, I had never had a dog which is to me if devoué and who take as much pleasure to work in symbiosis with me, simply this WE there I were not there It wounded my daughter in her flesh and in his Heart, then me I killed my dog, after having done it sejourner more than two weeks in two behaviorists of reputations which is both arrived at the same conclusion as me, Rage and Madness, that of the men which have creates it more than the sienne.J' thus made the only decision resposable to be taken, because in the Animal, but also "domestos", is the aptitude necessary of this last to be lived with the Man, in the "House" of this one I am never driven in my report/ratio with the Animal and in the event with this one, neither by anger nor by revenge, with that either the vociferations of certains(es) among you will not change anything, the bleats of the herd never made the intelligence of the sheep... Then, for the first time in my family (knowing that I have, as my daughter grown in the medium of wolfhounds, and that my father quite front me educated some), we made the decision to put a term at the life of the one of our companions... This decision I only assume it, as I am alone vis-a-vis with my memories of this 10 month old pups which I often miss, and with the Love that my wife, my Daughter and me always carry to him in spite of its "choice". All things considered and ultimately, I am right poor a c*bip*(censuré) of responsible father, and vis-a-vis with your gibes the unconscious ones I will remain right in my boots, that you or not like it about it.
3/concerning my relationship with Corrie and the judgements that of aucuns and aucunes emettent, learn that Corrie with the best wolfhounds than I could see and work, learn that a this noble-hearted woman that I apprecie and that it has it it intelligence to respect the beings, me including, for what they are His course and mine are different, from there our opinions can be it also, and even if it is possible that my words ignite per moment its tripe, it has contrary to you the intelligence to hear and include/understand, or at least to test Corrie-Christopher, in all the cases it be, and that does not concern you.
4/Lastly, concerning my so-called blow of pub, will know queje do not need any by no means, and that I know, by experiment, which to sow the pleasing wind to collect the storm, not bay-trees. If thus my intention had been to look after my communication I there would certainly not be taken thus. It will be necessary for you to be solved there, I am only one poor c*bip*(censuré), father of family and responsible Homme, working with length of year with more than 80 animals, of which wolfhounds, and children, even of the handicapped or autistic children. I make my remarks only in the Hope to avoid you the fault of pride which I made: the love and raising are not enough vis-a-vis with the genetic selection, a machine of war remains a machine of war... but of course I do not expect that that is included/understood differently than by men and women, perhaps with the parents, is endowed with intelligence To conclude I do not seek to convince, I light... That those and those which the Light disturb continue to close the eyes, me I gained at least this in this small adventure which you try to transform into polemic, the good conscience to make you divide and my error and accuracy of my experiment;, please to throw them to the dogs, that concerns only you, though it is, to me, I always preféré the wolves. To the wise...
Hello. Christopher Mad' Dene

[z Peronówki]

Originally Posted by Cristopher

1/In the history of the dog, seldom an animal, at least since the dogs of wars to the Middle Ages, had had a "prize list" also directed attacks on man only Czech, race créee to clean No man' S Land of the ex empire named the USSR of any human presence in a radical and final way. The race was of elsewhere creates at the origin on request of Russian who found their shepherds German and other dogs of wars too "softwares" and insufficiently resistant in their task of physical elimination of the human beings trying to cross the aforementioned No man' S Land, that it acts spies trying to be introduced in the USSR or, with my more serious direction, oppressed defectors or populations trying to flee communist tyranny which, rappellons it, with fact 40 million died and was all except a model of humanism, y included/understood in his report/ratio with the Ici animal still it is the man which is to be blamed, the Czech some nombred' between you to believe of it the virulence and the hatred of certain remarks I for my part identified only two Czech typologies: guards, possibly gérables so main qualified, and the attackers, to proscribe Prendre similar risk on a race that of aucuns intend for general public appears irresponsible me and criminal. Concerning this chapter, it acts in fact, and even of history... I thus invite the ignares to inform myself and by then keep silent myself, which would constitute the outline of a pretence of Wisdom!

My comment:
HEH...?


It is a joke, right?

[Huan]

The race was of elsewhere creates at the origin on request of Russian who found their shepherds German and other dogs of wars too "softwares" and insufficiently resistant in their task of physical elimination of the human beings trying to cross the aforementioned

oppressed defectors or populations trying to flee communist tyranny

Thank you Christopher for bringing light in here and sharing with us the true history of the breed. Until now I though that Czechoslovakian wolfdogs were used as guard dogs on the borders of Czechoslovakia and were used mainly for their extraordinary smell sence and endurance. During the time when they were used on borders there were not a single case of killed person. But probably the words of breed founder, Mr. Hartl and other breed experts are just lies and your words are true.

But we know also other breeds which are for 100% worser. Don't forget the German Shepherdogs used by Nazis in the World War II. They were even used in concentration camps and for sure responsible for killing many people. And another one: Belgian Shepherdogs and Beaucerons - the result of whims of French and Belgian bourgeoisie who were for sure used only to oppress poor workers and to force them to slavery work.

And again I would like to ask Christopher: who is his source of such ridiculous information because for sure it's not any of experts from origin countries.

[z Peronówki]

Originally Posted by Christopher

3/Concerning the attack that my daughter underwent on behalf of Czech whom I made prick: My daughter was then old of three years and half, the dog had 10 months and had always lived in family, with it amongst other things... The day of the attack my wife, graduate amongst other things of the canine national school, was in the same part as Gwuilan and this young Czech. My daughter, base, played, the dog passed beside it without any particular demonstration, it made him a simple caress on the leg, which was worth two to him attack rapids and violent with the face before my wife cannot control it...

Sorry, but your words are simply unimaginable for me.... I breed and own Wolfdogs and your history says few things. But not about Czechoslovakian Wolfdogs but about YOUR dog. Who was the breeder? Was the puppy correctly socialized (sometimes the "kennel-breeders" which keep puppies in cages or "wolf-packs" without contact with people can so warp the character of the puppies that the future owner have a lot of problems with them. But I'm talking about shyness and not agression). Are you sure you treated your dog propertly? Attending the dog school says nothing about the character. Przemek wrote already about possible reasons - brain cancer, aso. But I also saw such behavoiur as you described by other dogs (you can see it by many dogs in anilam shelters). Overreaction by dogs is caused by extreme shyness and in many cases combined with cruel outlives in the past. So such behaviour can be seen by very week dogs (according the character) which do not feel safe and in problematic situations they can behave agressive and unpredictable (and it apply not only to CzWs but to very dog). So it is the reason why "week-character-dogs" are eliminated and not used for breeding nor by GSD, Dobermans, Rottweilers, Belgian Shepherd Dogs and any other working breed. Also Czechoslovakian Wolfdogs with such charater are not admited for breeding in origin countries - shy and agressive dogs are disqualified during the bonitations. It is a pitty in other countries there are not such texts for dogs and the breeder can use sinmply everything.... So for such behaviour of your dog you can not blame the breed but only you and the breeder of your dog...

[Philippe]

Hi,all,

Margo, Przemek, and all of you, please don't waste your time trying to find any logical word either in article, answer or site of Mr Christopher Maddene... Fortunately, the only visible public words are in the newspaper article (it's enough...), and we are acting at the composition of a new article, in order to let readers know the truth... This article will be made of 3 part, a brief history and comments from 2 owners/breeders...

If you think about any particular point we need to insist on, just let us know!

Thanks in advance

Philippe