Passo del Lupo

[furyos]

hi ...navarre if y talk about "passo del lupo" it s just to show that here on this forum all is subject to discrimination ....y know that "passo del lupo" is a good kennel ..y like so mutch their dogs ...it s just to show the action of people and "vengeance" :when you are not in the same mentality ...just one word ...JALOUSY!!!!!!!!!!best respect for yu and passo del lupo .... FOR RONA ;;;one more time yu do YOUR INTERPRETATION of words ......yes y m free and y hope all people here can think and do what they like without "YOUR DICTATURE"...of course y respect condition life of dogs (yu are so stupid to utilise freedom to say that y don't care about dogs ...) y don ' t know yu and yu don't know me ...(and y don't want know yu anymore ...y don't need yu for my mind or life sorry ...yu are not my master or "gourou"...y can have a respect for yu if yu stop discrimination ....(when yu see one of my post do that for a kennel or a owner ????)y think yu like power and here on this forum yu feel more important ...(SO SO STUPID) do politik if yu have intelligence enougth ...well ..BEFORE y ever have a little different with yu because yu WANT my dogs do sport and say y don't do xray ...(y remember....) but if y don't want do now and prefer at the moment as y choose (or as y have time after my job)this is my problem...and for xray y do furyos is A:A and ossa A:B sorry again ...y repeat yu are not GOD ;;;;;;;and if yu believe just pictures this is yu freedom but not me !!!!!y wait to see the end of this story that's all ...for me YOU ARE NOT FRENCH ADMINISTRATION...OK? WE HAVE IN FRANCE LAWs ....NOT BE AFRAID ABOUT THIS;;;;;; (and politician talk a lot in "assemble national" for that .....)y don' t want believe that french are the best don't worry(beacuse yu can write this in few minutes) but sure we have reglementation very strict ...and yurs ??????where country yu from?????well y think yu mentality one more time too mutch" pueril"......yu are a breeder to live ...or not?...this is the problem that' sall (y know yur respons Y LOVE DOGS AND SELECTION AND AND...BLABLABLA.)....but sorry y don't need sale dogs puppies to live(y ever do some presents to people enought rich to buy one or for good friends )please don't juge ME and y don't juge YOU(this is my and real FREEDOM)...because y can found allways something wrong in yu ...Yu are not angel too .....best regards ...furyos(hope really yu understand NOW what y want explain to yu (or in this forum) and not YOUR "false" interpretation)

[michaelundinaeichhorn]

Originally Posted by furyos

hi ...navarre if y talk about "passo del lupo" it s just to show that here on this forum all is subject to discrimination ....y know that "passo del lupo" is a good kennel ..y like so mutch their dogs ...it s just to show the action of people and "vengeance" :when you are not in the same mentality ...just one word ...JALOUSY!!!!!!!!!!

Originally Posted by Navarre

French guy, please speak only about things that you know : nobody discredited PdL; PdL discredited himself using and registering in book of origin a truly mix (maybe GS / timber wolf/ csw) as a csw

Dear furyos,
please try to calm down, it is quite annoying to read posts with thousands of !!! of people that are too exited to get other posts right.
I am surely in no need to get jealous at breeders like PDL or de Louba Tar but I don´t think that mass production is of any good, especially not if there are animals involved. I know how many time it takes us to care for, work with and socialise 5 dogs and their few litters. We are talking of animals not furniture. No matter if the accusations against those two breeders are true or not there is - and always will be - a very big difference between people who keep 40 and more dogs and breed them and breeders that only keep a few dogs, think a lot about the mating partners, change these partners from litter to litter to get high genetic variability, keep the standart, go to bonitations and endurance tests and work their dogs THEMSELFS.
Homepage PDL: "16 metal boxes, 4 birth chambers, 2 covering boxes"
Well, I don´t know many people except animal shelters who need 16 metal boxes to keep their dogs. We breed regulary but definitly don´t need birth chambers, our dogs have their litters in our living room or bedroom, they do that because they want us to be with them when they give birth and because we sleep next to them the first weeks in case anybody needs help. We never needed such a thing like a covering box, for covering we go for a walk with both dogs and let them play together and mate as they like.
This is no discussion about PDL here and this is OT, I just mentioned it to make my point clear:
Everybody who keeps enormous amounts of dogs and breeds with them will do that for money and nothing else. In both kennels there is not much genetic variety, not much care for the international standart, just care for the success on CACIB exhibitions because it helps you to sell dogs to people that are stupid enough to be impressed by uninteresting facts.

So please accept one fact, you may be right when you say Mrs. Keizer keeps her dogs properly but you will not be able to change the opinion of some people here looking at the breeding point. Therefor it is of absolutely no interest how successfull they are on exhibitions or how long they are breeding (besides the fact that the Saarloos, of which Mrs. Keizer is one of the main breeders, are a breed with extreme problems with inherited diseases). Both facts don´t change anything if the accusations proof to be right and both facts don´t help me to see them in a better light.

I don´t see much sense in keeping on with this discussion, we will not be able to find out the truth here. If Paul made up his case and will be able to proof his accusations we will hear of it and will know more.

Ina