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Old 20-02-2009, 22:51   #21
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You did answer , I was just not sure that I understood right, because I thought a workingcertificat was international and should be recognized in all FCI countries ...but I guess that I was wrong !!!

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As far as I know, the rules for getting a national champion title (e.g. Czech champion, German champion, Swiss champion) can be different in the countries, because it is up to the kennel club of the country to decide, what is needed for champion titel. In Germany e.g. you don't need any working certificate at all to get German Champion title.

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Old 20-02-2009, 23:19   #22
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As far as I know, the rules for getting a national champion title (e.g. Czech champion, German champion, Swiss champion) can be different in the countries, because it is up to the kennel club of the country to decide, what is needed for champion titel. In Germany e.g. you don't need any working certificate at all to get German Champion title.

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I fully agree and understand, in Denmark some breeds need a workingcertificat and other breeds don`t need it, but if a dog need a workingcertificat to be national champion(of any country) all workingcertificat`s should be accepted by the country, because it is not the country themselves who gives this certificat`s, but FCI, which makes it international and a dog who have obtained a workingcertificat, can be showed in workingclass in all countries who cooperate with FCI

I have just read the regulations for Czech champion again and it says nothing about specific exams, but only that the dog must be eligible for entering the workingclass, so a FCI workingcertificat should be sufficient for a dog to obtain the title "Czech beauty champion"

"Awarding of the Czech Champion title is subject to the following conditions:
1) a) in breeds subject to working trials to be eligible for the International Champion title: successful passing of a trial that makes the dog elegible for entering the working class, and obtaining two CACs, of which at least one must have been obtained at an international dog show. The second CAC can have been obtained at one of the following shows: national, special or club show. The certificate required for working class must be furnished as a proof of passing of the trial. Breeders Clubs are entitled to increase the number of CACs required for the awarding of Czech Champion title. The request must be submitted in writing and approved by P ÈMKU (General Committee of the Czech Canine Union)."

Working champion is different ofcourse...
When reading the rules for Czech working champion, it only say how many CACT the dog must have, not in which exams CACT can be awarded(for example in Denmark can a only dog who have obtained IPO3 be Danish working champion) ....this is my original question ! As I am sure a dog can be Czech beauty champion by obtaining a workingcertificat(does not matter from which exam or country) as the regulations clearly says...

Now when thinking of it, maybe I misunderstod Hanka ?

Hanka : the list of exams you wrote are they for obtaining workingcertificat or for Czech working champion ?

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Old 21-02-2009, 11:00   #23
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For example: I will go to Slovakia for SVP. My female has muuuch titles in Slovakia, Germany, Czech. It menas she can be champion of Slovakia, Germany, but not czech champion. For czech champion she must have some WORKING exam from this list
NO.. Maybe the theory is like this but I know dogs which get Czech Champion titles last time but have ONLY SVP1 or even NONE of the certificates recognized as "working certificates" for CzW...
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Old 21-02-2009, 11:54   #24
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NO.. Maybe the theory is like this but I know dogs which get Czech Champion titles last time but have ONLY SVP1 or even NONE of the certificates recognized as "working certificates" for CzW...
Now I am confused
How can a dog get the title Czech champion without a workingcertificat ?

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Old 21-02-2009, 12:09   #25
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Now I am confused
How can a dog get the title Czech champion without a workingcertificat ?
There is even more... For interchampion title CzW needs a working certificate. It is also a theory because I know at last three dogs which get it but did not passed even the BASIC obedience test...
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There is even more... For interchampion title CzW needs a working certificate. It is also a theory because I know at last three dogs which get it but did not passed even the BASIC obedience test...
How did they do it ?

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How did they do it ?
No idea... I just get more interesting information... there are some countries which have 'contract' with CMKU and dogs can be Czech Champion already when the get ONE CAC...
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Old 21-02-2009, 18:48   #28
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No idea... I just get more interesting information... there are some countries which have 'contract' with CMKU and dogs can be Czech Champion already when the get ONE CAC...
This is very interesting !
We have something almost similary in the Nordic countries.
If a dog already is champion in one of the nordic countries, then it will only need 1 x CAC from another nordic country to be champion of this country too.

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This is very interesting !
We have something almost similary in the Nordic countries.
If a dog already is champion in one of the nordic countries, then it will only need 1 x CAC from another nordic country to be champion of this country too.
Yes, but you do not have your own very strong regulations for the Champion title...
On one side CMKU requires working exams and do not recognize even the SVP1 which is the FCI recognized exam for CzW but on the other side gives "Czech Champion" title for only one CAC... It is a little bit schizophrenic for me...
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Yes, but you do not have your own very strong regulations for the Champion title...
On one side CMKU requires working exams and do not recognize even the SVP1 which is the FCI recognized exam for CzW but on the other side gives "Czech Champion" title for only one CAC... It is a little bit schizophrenic for me...
No we don`t have strong regulations for CSW to be danish champions, but other breeds like GSD must have working exam(IPO1 or BHP1) to get this title and still they will only need 1 x CAC in another nordic country to be champion of that country too... but only if they already are Danish champions(and ofcourse it is the same the other way around).

I agree that it sounds VERY strange, that ČMKU will not recognize a FCI workingcertificat for the title Czech champion, but what is even more strange in this question, regulations for obtaining the title Czech champion say nothing about specific exams, only that the dog must have a workingcertificat.

Regulations for Czech champion :
http://www.cmku.cz/index2.php?stranka=rady_a_predpisy

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Old 21-02-2009, 22:36   #31
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Hi Margo, if you know a few dogs what are Czech chmpion without exam, write me (maybe private email) names, I ask about it. Because I think, it is not possible.
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I finaly found the thread about Czech champion, I was looking for
...and according to this translation from Czech club meeting, a working certificat from SVP1 is sufficient to get title Czech champion

http://www.wolfdog.org/forum/showthread.php?t=8683

So to clear all misunderstandings, I have written an email to ČMKU and are waiting for an answer, which I will post in this thread.

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So Iam very courious what they will answer you . Inform me,please......
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Hi Margo, if you know a few dogs what are Czech chmpion without exam, write me (maybe private email) names, I ask about it. Because I think, it is not possible.
hm, if I have this question I call to me kennel society and quest who dogs have this titel.If this be problematic make in CZ and dogs name mas Margo search?
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But I have not question for ČMKU. I only write Margo, I can ask how it is possible, if she had seen it somewhere. Maybe theese dogs have exam??? But if I don´t know who is it I can´t speak (write) about it in this moment.
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Old 23-02-2009, 10:37   #36
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I got answer from ČMKU today :

Hallo,

Obtaining of teh Czech Championship certificate

Send by airmail to the office:
-copy pedigree
-original of the cards certifying obtaining the CAC
-the CAC must have been awarded by at lest two different judges
-the CAC must have been obtained in at least two show seasons
-15 euro

Breeds subjekt to working trials:
-2x CAC (at least one obtained at an international show)
-a copy of the certificate of a required working trial

Lenka Fairaislová
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Jankovcova 53/C
170 00 Praha 7



-----Original Message-----
From: Rolf Larsen [mailto:[email protected]]
Sent: Friday, February 20, 2009 9:42 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Czech champion


Hello Lenka Fairaislova,



I have a question about the titel "Czech champion".



If my Czechoslovakian wolfdog have a FCI workingcertificat from passing

SVP1 in Slovakia and 2 x CAC(1 from club dogshow and 1 from

international dogshow in both Czech rep.), will he be awarded the

titel "Czech champion" ?



Regards Rolf Larsen

So I guess SVP1 is sufficient for obtaining the title Czech champion

Greetings Rolf
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But I have not question for ČMKU. I only write Margo, I can ask how it is possible, if she had seen it somewhere. Maybe theese dogs have exam??? But if I don´t know who is it I can´t speak (write) about it in this moment.
Hanka, sory but me very like this joke Margo not be CMKU and she not thake CZ CH. see : You wish have LT CH and quest me why this dog have with 1 winner titel LT CH but others mas have 4 CAC, I say - quest me LKD she thake oficial dyplomas not I
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I got answer from ČMKU today :

Hallo,

Obtaining of teh Czech Championship certificate

Send by airmail to the office:
-copy pedigree
-original of the cards certifying obtaining the CAC
-the CAC must have been awarded by at lest two different judges
-the CAC must have been obtained in at least two show seasons
-15 euro

Breeds subjekt to working trials:
-2x CAC (at least one obtained at an international show)
-a copy of the certificate of a required working trial

Lenka Fairaislová
CMKU
Jankovcova 53/C
170 00 Praha 7



-----Original Message-----
From: Rolf Larsen [mailto:[email protected]]
Sent: Friday, February 20, 2009 9:42 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Czech champion


Hello Lenka Fairaislova,



I have a question about the titel "Czech champion".



If my Czechoslovakian wolfdog have a FCI workingcertificat from passing

SVP1 in Slovakia and 2 x CAC(1 from club dogshow and 1 from

international dogshow in both Czech rep.), will he be awarded the

titel "Czech champion" ?



Regards Rolf Larsen

So I guess SVP1 is sufficient for obtaining the title Czech champion

Greetings Rolf
If I understan right ? CONGRATULATION to Uno and you Rolf

Best regards / Mikael
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If I understan right ? CONGRATULATION to Uno and you Rolf

Best regards / Mikael
Uno have 2 x CAC from Czech rep. and workingclass certificat, but both CAC is from same year, so Uno will need one more CAC to be Czech champion ...but thanks anyway

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I thought, Margo think about czech dog. Now I see- no )
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