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Old 26-04-2007, 13:48   #21
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Sorry, I have in the moment not much time. But Przemek you will find the race regulations on the homepage of ESDRA there under ESDRA-Regulations Part II. This race regulations ist for snow and off-snow races and everyone who is organizing such a race have to watch these rules out. And as Kerstin mentioned it stands under der FCI.

And I have to repeat there is only a very little number of typical sleddoges like Siberian Huskies taking part. The alaskan huskies have short coat even like a german hunt dog or a pointer which are often used too. The (scandinavian) hounddog is a mixtured out of german huntdogs (deutscher Kurzhaar), pointer and alaskan husky.

Ina, it is a real pity that you as a vetenerian doesn´t know about this rules! It is better you say nothing. I guess you know it from Miguel - if Michael your husbnad told you - that the worldchampionship was a real big one with 330 racers with 1.000 dogs and lots of visitors. It was a professional race.

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Christian,
even if it seems to be difficult to understand: We don´t talk about Canicross races, we don´t talk about sighthound races and we don´t talk about sled dogs. We talk here about endurance runs (not races) of Czechoslowakian wolfdogs. There is no point in the German Animal Protection Law - which is the only one official veterinarians work with - that say that you are not allowed to do that over 22° degrees (What is the limit in the sleddogrules you mentioned). The official vet will be interested in your case if your dog has problems with it no matter what temperature.
I personally find it very funny that you get that excited about it here and on the same time are going to join the endurance run next weekend that is under much too hot conditions anyway if you don´t start extremly early in the morning.
By the way, having mentioned sight dog races: there are several official derbys in July and August, they are not going to start at 4 in the morning and will surely be running at over 22°.

Ina

P.S. and please don´t forget about the 1/3 in Dorit Feddersen-Petersens book
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Old 26-04-2007, 16:54   #22
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Hai Liesbeth and Kerstin,
Thank you for your answer .
I understand when you begin to train your CSW there is absolutly now diffrent at the beginning,the basics just are the same.
The real diffrent is made at a older age when you can train not only for 20 ,but also for 40,70and 100.
Thank you ,
Greetings Martine
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Sorry but I don't accept an argument that Czechoslovakian wolfdogs are like sleddogs breeds. Everyone should know its dog and its limits. If your dog or Siberian Husky with winter coat gets tired because of run in 20 C then it doesn't mean this will happen with my wolfdog. I know what is pushing up to the limits but the run with the estimate time of 12km/h is not near the limits. I can tell you that my dogs trott at the speed of 15-16km/h (they can trott on some distance even with the speed of 18-19km/h) so 12km/h is not a run for them but a SLOW WALK. I assume the times of 3:20h for 40km did already include different weather conditions because in winter a wolfdog should be able to do such distance in less than 2:50h.

If you would like to know what is pushing to the limits then look at the achievement of Eskon Foncorda which did 100km in 6:13h !!!
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Sorry but I don't accept an argument that Czechoslovakian wolfdogs are like sleddogs breeds. Everyone should know its dog and its limits. If your dog or Siberian Husky with winter coat gets tired because of run in 20 C then it doesn't mean this will happen with my wolfdog. I know what is pushing up to the limits but the run with the estimate time of 12km/h is not near the limits. I can tell you that my dogs trott at the speed of 15-16km/h (they can trott on some distance even with the speed of 18-19km/h) so 12km/h is not a run for them but a SLOW WALK. I assume the times of 3:20h for 40km did already include different weather conditions because in winter a wolfdog should be able to do such distance in less than 2:50h.

If you would like to know what is pushing to the limits then look at the achievement of Eskon Foncorda which did 100km in 6:13h !!!
Przemek,
i'm quite agree with you but as you say "Everyone should know its dog and its limits"
For this reason I hope that some really expert of our breed will set the limit for these dogs. I have no enough experience to say what is the limit but some one should do it. It's just a matter of rules.
I hope that some day some one, thinking to the health of our dogs, will set a limit. I don't believe that they don't have one ... or ... do i have to expect a 100km test with wolfdogs in the desert?

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Default Re: Endurance run 40 & 70km in Trencin (SK) - 07.10.2006

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seems that some people care more for the animals than others. And to be honest, if a veterianrian in germany from the governement would get to know that someone is doing a 40 km run in temperature from 20 C and more you would get a punishment and where treated by law, that is for sure.
I noticed that you successfully finished the 40km run in much extreme conditions than we had in Slovakia. Congratulations.

Just one advise: it's better to check HD of the dog before going for such long distance. We know already a case where a female passed 40km run without any problems and few months later she did x-rays and got very strong dysplasia as result. The run can be dangerous for such dogs.
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