Advises needed (health)

elf · 25-04-2008, 20:33

Hi all,

It's now more than two months that my dogs (21 months) have troubles to move, she limps sometimes from the back, sometimes for the front, left or right. I checked with an osteopath vet if all is in good place, all is ok. Then she had articulations punctions and blood test to check for polyarthritis, all ok. Then x-ray of the hips, elbows, and back, all ok.

This is very depressing. If those symptoms tells you something, or if you have an idea, please don't hesitate to tell me.

Anthony

michaelundinaeichhorn · 25-04-2008, 21:04

Did you check for Borelliosis?

elf · 27-04-2008, 09:57

I'm going to have the result for borreliosis in one week. Thanks for your help.

In case of borreliosis, does the dog recover all ?

elf · 27-04-2008, 11:44

Also look like systemic lupus ?

jmvdwiel · 27-04-2008, 23:15

also check her/his thyroid blood level.sometimes dog can be lame due to a low thyroid level.

elf · 05-05-2008, 15:09

Borreliosis negative .... still a mystery

GalomyOak · 05-05-2008, 16:57

Our GSD was diagnosed with panosteitis around the age of 13 months - she is 2 years now, with no signs of the problems for the last 6 months. The problem is quite common with the GSD from what my vet said, and has a good prognosis. I don't know if this has ever been seen in the CSV.

Here is a website with some information on the disease:

http://www.dogstuff.info/panosteitis_lanting.html

michaelundinaeichhorn · 05-05-2008, 18:36

Panostitis ist easy to diagnose by x-rays, it should be found by now.

Ina

michaelundinaeichhorn · 05-05-2008, 18:37

What about Leishmaniosis?

elf · 05-05-2008, 18:59

If it can help here are the x-rays I got:

http://ametiste.ifrance.com/hanches.jpg
http://ametiste.ifrance.com/coudes.jpg
http://ametiste.ifrance.com/rachis_ls.jpg

Leishmaniosis could match those symptoms ?

Nebulosa · 05-05-2008, 19:33

In the Hip's X-ray the position of your dog is completly wrong, he must be right and with the legs paralele, so you cannot judge displasy degree by it.
I'm not speciallist so I can make a mistake but I think his left femoral head have some alterations already.

Leishmaniosis at start will causes some little wound's in the dog depending of the leishmaniosis type, it can be the visceral, cutanous and mucosal, normally at cutaneous and mucosal the first thing ou will see are little wounds at dog's face, the visceral will causes fever and pain at the belly, the liver and spleen turn bigger and it can be feel easy at touch, in some cases animals with leishmaniosis can show a very quickly growing of the nails.

michaelundinaeichhorn · 05-05-2008, 20:22

You sometimes have untypical cases and if the limping leg changes and can´t be exactly located the pain could be somewhere else and just seem to be in the legs.
Sorry but I can´t judge the x-rays like that on my monitor, the monitor is not good enough. I would take all x-rays and blood tests and ask for a second opinion of an orthopedic specialist.

Ina

elf · 05-05-2008, 20:42

I have to go tomorrow for a blood test for systemic lupus, so I also have to ask for Leishmaniosis ? At the end how many parasit should we check, how many could make those symptoms ?

I'm going to find an orthopedic specialist, I already met one and also 4 different vets. No answers. I really start to have a bad feeling for my dog.

Thanks.

elf · 06-05-2008, 14:17

Quote:

In the Hip's X-ray the position of your dog is completly wrong, he must be right and with the legs paralele, so you cannot judge displasy degree by it.
I'm not speciallist so I can make a mistake but I think his left femoral head have some alterations already.

I don't know why they did not take more care of the position. Do you mean with those x-rays it's not possible to have accurate angle mesure, or that differences can be up to +-15° ?

They conclude there was no dysplasia (no laxity, no Ortolani, no osteophytes, no Morgan line, no deformation, enough covering).

michaelundinaeichhorn · 06-05-2008, 20:20

Quote:

Originally Posted by elf

They conclude there was no dysplasia (no laxity, no Ortolani, no osteophytes, no Morgan line, no deformation, enough covering).

I don´t see any osteophytes or Morgan line but it is not possible to messure the Norberg degree or see the covering. I would tend to the conclusion that they are not the problem at the moment but I am not at all sure that they would show a degree that would give a judgement of HD-free. You can´t judge them in that position.

Ina

elf · 12-05-2008, 15:30

Another hypotesis:

Cobalamine imbalances => homocystein to methionin transformation trouble => low methionin blood level => less myelin production => nervous tranmission trouble.

Vit B12 imbalances are seen regulary in some Husky blood, what about wolfdogs ?

elf · 24-10-2008, 14:09

Little update, a scanner for all four legs showed nothing, a complete biochemist blood analyse showed nothing. Vets (I met seven) are giving up.

25-04-2008, 20:33	#1
elf Member Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 766	Advises needed (health) Hi all, It's now more than two months that my dogs (21 months) have troubles to move, she limps sometimes from the back, sometimes for the front, left or right. I checked with an osteopath vet if all is in good place, all is ok. Then she had articulations punctions and blood test to check for polyarthritis, all ok. Then x-ray of the hips, elbows, and back, all ok. This is very depressing. If those symptoms tells you something, or if you have an idea, please don't hesitate to tell me. Anthony

25-04-2008, 21:04	#2
michaelundinaeichhorn Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Bad Dürkheim Posts: 2,249	Did you check for Borelliosis?

27-04-2008, 09:57	#3
elf Member Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 766	I'm going to have the result for borreliosis in one week. Thanks for your help. In case of borreliosis, does the dog recover all ?

27-04-2008, 11:44	#4
elf Member Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 766	Also look like systemic lupus ?

27-04-2008, 23:15	#5
jmvdwiel Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2007 Posts: 1,061	also check her/his thyroid blood level.sometimes dog can be lame due to a low thyroid level.

05-05-2008, 15:09	#6
elf Member Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 766	Borreliosis negative .... still a mystery

05-05-2008, 16:57	#7
GalomyOak Howling Member Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Colorado Posts: 436	Our GSD was diagnosed with panosteitis around the age of 13 months - she is 2 years now, with no signs of the problems for the last 6 months. The problem is quite common with the GSD from what my vet said, and has a good prognosis. I don't know if this has ever been seen in the CSV. Here is a website with some information on the disease: http://www.dogstuff.info/panosteitis_lanting.html

05-05-2008, 18:36	#8
michaelundinaeichhorn Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Bad Dürkheim Posts: 2,249	Panostitis ist easy to diagnose by x-rays, it should be found by now. Ina

05-05-2008, 18:37	#9
michaelundinaeichhorn Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Bad Dürkheim Posts: 2,249	What about Leishmaniosis?

05-05-2008, 18:59	#10
elf Member Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 766	If it can help here are the x-rays I got: http://ametiste.ifrance.com/hanches.jpg http://ametiste.ifrance.com/coudes.jpg http://ametiste.ifrance.com/rachis_ls.jpg Leishmaniosis could match those symptoms ?

05-05-2008, 19:33	#11
Nebulosa Moderator Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Rio Grande do Sul Posts: 1,334	In the Hip's X-ray the position of your dog is completly wrong, he must be right and with the legs paralele, so you cannot judge displasy degree by it. I'm not speciallist so I can make a mistake but I think his left femoral head have some alterations already. Leishmaniosis at start will causes some little wound's in the dog depending of the leishmaniosis type, it can be the visceral, cutanous and mucosal, normally at cutaneous and mucosal the first thing ou will see are little wounds at dog's face, the visceral will causes fever and pain at the belly, the liver and spleen turn bigger and it can be feel easy at touch, in some cases animals with leishmaniosis can show a very quickly growing of the nails.

05-05-2008, 20:22	#12
michaelundinaeichhorn Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Bad Dürkheim Posts: 2,249	You sometimes have untypical cases and if the limping leg changes and can´t be exactly located the pain could be somewhere else and just seem to be in the legs. Sorry but I can´t judge the x-rays like that on my monitor, the monitor is not good enough. I would take all x-rays and blood tests and ask for a second opinion of an orthopedic specialist. Ina

05-05-2008, 20:42	#13
elf Member Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 766	I have to go tomorrow for a blood test for systemic lupus, so I also have to ask for Leishmaniosis ? At the end how many parasit should we check, how many could make those symptoms ? I'm going to find an orthopedic specialist, I already met one and also 4 different vets. No answers. I really start to have a bad feeling for my dog. Thanks.

12-05-2008, 15:30	#16
elf Member Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 766	Another hypotesis: Cobalamine imbalances => homocystein to methionin transformation trouble => low methionin blood level => less myelin production => nervous tranmission trouble. Vit B12 imbalances are seen regulary in some Husky blood, what about wolfdogs ?

24-10-2008, 14:09	#17
elf Member Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 766	Little update, a scanner for all four legs showed nothing, a complete biochemist blood analyse showed nothing. Vets (I met seven) are giving up.