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Old 06-02-2013, 09:10   #1
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I was just wondering how Breeding Rights are earned in all the various different countries. Here in Bulgaria, there are no conditions set down yet (although, personally, I would say the minimum requirement should be HD/ED and DM) yet I know many of you have very strict conditions including bonitation and working trials. It would be nice to get a feel for the variation across Europe (and beyond...).

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Old 06-02-2013, 14:34   #2
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In Poland

Stud dog
3x `excellent` notes* on shows or 3x`very good` notes* on shows +working certificate

Breeding females
3x notes `very good`* on shows or 3x `Good` notes* + working certificate

*one must be international or club show from min. 2 different judges

To get the pedigrees 7 weeks old litter must be shown to breeding commission.
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Old 06-02-2013, 17:14   #3
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In Poland

Breeding females
3x notes `very good`* on shows ...
At least `very good'.
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In the USA, none. To get a pedigree the dogs simply have to have parents with a pedigree and normal registration. There is a minimum of seven months old for a breeding female but that's as good as no requirements at all.

To be part of a breed club is another matter, it is optional to join but the breed club decides matters concerning the standards and sponsors the national specialties and other events for the breed. At current the Czechslovakian Vlcak Club of America requires members to abide by the Code of Ethics which lays out rules on breeding (domestic parents must have CHIC numbers - issued when the dog has had DM, HD, ED, eye, dentition certification and DNA banking), placement of puppies, registration, etc. As a result of the much more stringent rules on breeding, most breeders in the USA do not belong to their breeds' national club, it is no different for Czechoslovakian Vlcak breeders in the USA either, unfortunately.

And for as long as the clubs do not have power to control registration of dogs, they will always remain optional fringe organizations, no matter what the AKC says.
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Old 06-02-2013, 18:07   #5
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In the USA, none. To get a pedigree the dogs simply have to have parents with a pedigree and normal registration. There is a minimum of seven months old for a breeding female but that's as good as no requirements at all.
Scarily young

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At current the Czechslovakian Vlcak Club of America requires members to abide by the Code of Ethics which lays out rules on breeding (domestic parents must have CHIC numbers - issued when the dog has had DM, HD, ED, eye, dentition certification and DNA banking), placement of puppies, registration, etc. As a result of the much more stringent rules on breeding, most breeders in the USA do not belong to their breeds' national club, it is no different for Czechoslovakian Vlcak breeders in the USA either, unfortunately.

And for as long as the clubs do not have power to control registration of dogs, they will always remain optional fringe organizations, no matter what the AKC says.
I'm not sure, but I suspect the same will be true in the UK once the breed is recognised...
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Old 06-02-2013, 21:57   #6
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In the u.k none... All the kennel club do really is hold pedigree records,as long as both parents are kennel club registered they will issue the pedigree certificate,there are maximum and minimum ages but that is it,not even healthtests are mandatory
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Old 06-02-2013, 22:00   #7
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Lithuania:
2 excelent for male, 2 excelent or very good for female.
dog mas have HD ED test, for breed HD A, HD B, HD C ED only 0/0. HD A can breed with dogs with HD A, HD B, HD C, HD C ONLY with HD A, HD B.
age - male from 12 months can used in breeding female from 18. Puppy in age 6 weeks can go to litter control. for sale min 6 weeks age.
this is official regulamin
not official ( who make owner) HD, ED test, all who have breeding rights have and DM test, have bonitation, min 1 club dog show, few dog have eyes test ( in future I think begin testing all), not all but big % have SVP or others training exam.
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Old 06-02-2013, 22:30   #8
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In Germany you need 2 shows at least "very good". HD result, eye examination. Then the dog is presented a judge who will decide on the breeding license. And there is a character test is performed. 

The dog must not be younger than 18 months at the first puppy. There are also annual eye exam and not to forget the conditions of the house. These are examined by a breed warden by the VDH (German Association). This same person comes in the first 10 days after birth and then again when the puppies are 8 weeks old. Over all, a log is written. Also there are errors mentioned such as: misalignment of the teeth, kinked tail or cryptorchidism. This is all written in the pedigree.

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Old 06-02-2013, 22:56   #9
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Dutch Kennelcub RVBH breeding rules:

These combinations are not allowed:
  • Parent/child combination
  • Brother/sister combination
  • Grandparent/grandchild combination
Pups from this kind of combinations will not be registered in NSHB (and will not receive a pedigree)

The other Dutch Kennelclub RVBH rules:
  • A female is at the date of covering not younger than 16 months
  • When a female gets her first litter, she is not allowed to be covered after the day she becomes 72 months
  • A female is not allowed to be covered after the day she did become 96 months
  • It is not allowed for a female to get more than 5 litters during her whole life
  • A female can have max 2 litters in 24 months. Between covering for the first litter and second litter have to be at last 10 months.
Breeders who ignore these rules will be punished (there are several possibilities including a fine till 10.000 euro)
But all the pups of these litters will get a pedigree!

And the general RVBH rules:
  • The breeder has to deworm and vaccinate the pups and to take care every pup has a signed passport.
  • When the pups go to their new owner hey have to be chipped and has to be at least 7 weeks.
  • Cryptorchide and monorchide males are excluded from breeding
  • All health screening of the breeding dogs (like HD,ED, eye research) has tob e conform all the rules and recognised specialists of the RVBH.

(For example: only veterinarians of the RVBH list can make x rays for HD/ED And for Dutch dogs (registered in Holland) only these Dutch HD results will appear at the pedigree of the pups!
When an owner goes to another country for possible better HD results, these results will not be recognised or added at the pedigree of the pups)


The Dutch Czechoslovakian Wolfdog club (NVTW) breeding rules
  • Both breeding dogs has to be breed typical, character and behavior as in breed standard.
  • Both breeding dogs has to have at least 2 show results in an official show, or a clubmatch of the Dutch breed club with minimal result Very Good of 2 different judges
  • These combinations are not allowed: Parent x child, (half)brother x (half) sister, grandparents x grandchildren
  • For first covering the female has to be at least 18 months
  • When a female gets her first litter, she is not allowed to be covered after the day she becomes 72 months
  • A female is not allowed to be covered after the day she did become 96 months
  • A female can have max 2 litters in 24 months. Between covering for the first litter and second litter have to be at last 10 months.
  • During her life a female can have 4 litters (eventual permission for a fifth litter)
  • A male can be used for covering when he is minimal 15 months.
  • During his life in Holland can produce 6 litters (eventual permission for a 7e litter)
  • The same combination can be max 1 x repeated
And these Health tests are obligated:
  • A Dutch HD result: HD A , B, of C
  • Dwarfism test: Free or Carrier
  • DM test: Free or Carrier
  • ED result for all breeding dogs born after 1-07-2011
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Old 07-02-2013, 07:58   #10
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Mijke great but DM/DM can used in breeding too- only partner mas be N/N
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Old 07-02-2013, 23:57   #11
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In the u.k none... All the kennel club do really is hold pedigree records,as long as both parents are kennel club registered they will issue the pedigree certificate,there are maximum and minimum ages but that is it,not even healthtests are mandatory
They do have limits on how many litters can be registered from a bitch and I believe she has to be over 12 months. (Also only one litter from the bitch in a 12 month period)

Also brother/sister, parent/offspring can no longer be registered (I think)
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Old 08-02-2013, 18:01   #12
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In Finland you can do wath you wan´t.

Only inside of breeder´s head have rules.

Earliest pick up day is 7weeks old puppy.
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Old 08-02-2013, 20:01   #13
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So, in case somebody dos not know, these are rules in Slovakia:

bonitation, dogs at least P3, bitches also P5 (that's similar to Very Good and Good in shows, but done by specialized judges and including character test), at time of bonitation, the dog must be at least 2 years old, the bitch 18 months
SVP 1 (40km) exam
HD A or B
participation at at least two shows (club or at least national level)

the mating must be allowed (no closely relaten mates) by head breeding advisor
at ~5 weeks the litter is checked by breeding advisor
maximum 1 litter per year
bitch not older than 8 years
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dogs (males) P5 can get special permission for one or more matings?
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Old 08-02-2013, 23:40   #15
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jefta - yes, also dogs/bitches that did not pas all requirements can obtain a "one-time-pass" for breeding. I think even P14 can get a pass if there is a good reason we want him/her, like bloodline.
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In the Netherlands,We choose not to use DM/DM dogs being born after the day that the test was validated. Becaus those dogs should not be born anymore! even not when the dog is imported from untested parents that's the risk you take when you buy a dog from untested parents.

DM/N and DW/N can only be mated with a free dog mijke did not mention that.


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In the Netherlands,We choose not to use DM/DM dogs being born after the day that the test was validated. Becaus those dogs should not be born anymore! even not when the dog is imported from untested parents that's the risk you take when you buy a dog from untested parents.

DM/N and DW/N can only be mated with a free dog mijke did not mention that.
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And what happen then when next genetic illnes can found?
DM/DM dog can use but only N/N...

This breed have bigger problems than DM.... character!
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Be my guest to adopt a DM/DM dog and give him a not so nice short live in a wheelchair maybe , or would you like him/her to drag herself trough your house and let him get wounds on his legs??
I would rather not have a dog than a dog whith DM!

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And what happen then when next genetic illnes can found?
DM/DM dog can use but only N/N...

This breed have bigger problems than DM.... character!
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I have had DM/DM dog!
If gene test says dog is DM/DM. Dog can die before they come ill....
is not written that the dog become ill even if the test result would be a bad

A dog should not be put in a wheelchair, but in any case the owner will let it to heaven.

all living objekt havge more than 200 genetic illnes not only one....
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