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Old 07-12-2005, 17:56   #1
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Default Keep the dog inside the garden !!

I have tryed til register, but I still not recive my password. Therfore i can not put my question in: All about Czechoslovakian Wolfdogs...

Is it totally impossible to keep a Ceskoslovensky dog inside a garden when wee are at work, without building a 2½meter high fence.
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Old 07-12-2005, 22:32   #2
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It is not problem, when wolfdog has good education. We have 1.5m fence and all wolfdogs are inside.
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As was mentioned it depends on the wolfdog... If you are talking about an animal who is not well educated and who WANTS to flee then you will probably need an enclosure much like you would have for wolves - two and a half meters high (with the top leaning into the inside of the enclosure) and half a meter deep (or they will dig themselves out)

Education does do wonders though and dogs can stay quite happily in gardens without major problems.
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Thank you for the quik answer. And I am really happy to hear that.
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Hi,

going for individual trips is a problem with CsW, they are smart and innovative. My bitch never jumped fences or digged under them, but she opened any unlocked door, climbed the roof of a garage and jumped to unlocked neigbour's garden, bitten through bamboo fence... Always returned within an hour. Once with an enormous bone in her mouth.

It is always good to know, why the dog is running away. Our just wanted to run around free for a while, other might want to get to their previous home, others visit friendly bitch in heat, or just kill neighbour's chickens or the stupid nipping excuse of a dog... ;o) Then you can make the dog not to want to do it, which is the best thing with a smart dog.
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Old 08-12-2005, 19:38   #6
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Ok. Then I will take a litle rabbit an let it go loose in the garden. So I can teach my dog NOT to eat it Then maybe if Im lucky the dog will not bee interested in my neighbour chicken or any other pet at all
But as far I understand now !!!! I HAVE to build a 2½ meter high fence. ½meter under the ground also, AND at last. extra 30cm at the top leaning in the garden whit high vontage wires.
That should keep them inside. My problem is Sweden. If my dog accidently got out it will probably bee shot by the nearest farmer or I will bee arrested
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You better get a very very fast rabbit...

Or else just buy a dozen of them, I have a feeling that it will take quite a few to teach the Wolfdog that particular trick.

As for the fence... if you want peace of mind, then yes that is what you need (not sure the fence needs to be electrified if it is THAT tall though!)
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Old 10-12-2005, 10:41   #8
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(not sure the fence needs to be electrified if it is THAT tall though!)
2 meter fence is also more suitable to me. But I have been told by you:
two and a half meters high (with the top leaning into the inside of the enclosure) and half a meter deep

I will bee happy and very satisfied if 2meter fence is enough. And 2 small electrified wires on the top leaning into the inside. And of course ½meter under the fence also leaning a bit into the inside.

would that bee ok and enough ? Because I can't make the fence higher after I have build it in wood.
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Old 10-12-2005, 10:55   #9
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Old 14-12-2005, 12:59   #10
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You could lower your fence height if building regulations are a problem by digging a shallow trench right where your dog needs to take-off to get over the fence. It need only be a shallow dip with very gently sloping sides and a deep bit in the middle you fill with gravel, sand or whatever so it wont fill with water. It could even look like you put it there for aesthetic purposes!
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Old 14-12-2005, 13:28   #11
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But my fence will bee about 400meters. So that will bee to much digging But anyway a good solution
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A two meter high electrified fence could be enough... I would prefer the 2.5 meter one without the wires, but either should keep the dog in if he doesn't want to leave. Whenever we go to a garden our dogs are quite happy with a small fence (1.5 m?) and a hedge - but then they don't want to go anywhere.

However at the end of the day it will depend on one thing - does your wolfdog want to stay or want to go? If you are going to be building 400 meters of fence that means that he is going to have quite a lot of space, which is a good thing!

Aside from the fence, make sure the dog is happy at home, and most importantly make sure that your wolfdog is not too worried about being left alone - wolfdogs can do amazing things to get back to their masters if they feel that they must get back to them.
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Default Invisible Fence?

How well do CzW respond to an invisible fence (a buried line that sends a radio signal to the dog's collar that gives him a shock when he gets close to a perimeter)?

We just got a CzW puppy who's currently 10 weeks old so I won't try to train him until another several months, but we have an invisible fence (http://www.invisiblefencenw.com/) for our Siberian Husky that has worked great and I'm assuming that the CzW puppy will respond well to it too (since he is so intelligent) if he is carefully and slowly trained to it.

I'm curious if anyone has tried it, however.
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We just got a CzW puppy who's currently 10 weeks old so I won't try to train him until another several months
What is the point of not training the dog? For what do you want to wait? With every dog, CSW included, is the best thing to start socialising, educating AND training since pup came to your house. It is very important and also easier, to train a young puppy, than to fight later a teenage wolfdog.

Regarding the invisible fence, I find it very cruel. The dog is getting el. shocks or hits and he does not know, from where it comes, because he can´t see any barrier! If you use normal el. fence, at least the dog can see the wire and understands, what gave him the hit. When he cannot see it, how can he know, where is the border, where it hits and where it does not? I see this as a best way to create neurotic and stressed dog.

Not to mention, that to use el. fences, invisible fences or anything like that on a little puppy is cruelty. Especially when getting a puppy, you have the best chances to get the dog used to his garden or terrain and consider that his territory.
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Old 17-01-2006, 08:59   #15
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Mirka, thanks for your comments, its good to hear from you! The puppy is doing very well here so far by the way, although he never seems to run out of energy.

I think I gave you the wrong impression in my previous post. As far as training, I am starting to train Polo right away. I'm already working on some basic obedience (sit, etc), potty training, socialization, things like that. What I meant was that at just 10 weeks, it is too young to begin training him on the invisible fence only.

I also don't think that an invisible fence is as cruel as you think it is. The entire area that the fence covers is marked by white flags, so that the dogs can clearly see where the boundary is. The collar also beeps before it issues a correction, so that the dog also has an audible chance to backup before getting it. In the case of my other dog (a Siberian Husky), she was only shocked by the fence a few times the first day, she understood the concept very well and has responded beautifully to it. The shock is not painful (I shocked myself several times before ever putting it on her to be sure I knew what it felt like), and while before I had it installed my Husky was able to escape 3 or 4 times, she hasn't come anywhere near the fence ever since.

The only reason I asked the question is because I know that different breeds need to be trained to the fence more carefully. There are training settings on the collar so you can adjust the setting slowly as the dog learns.

If I thought it was cruel or unreasonable for a dog to understand, I would never do it! I only do it because it is best for them, to avoid escaping and being hit by a car, or tangling with some of the wild animals that live in the area.
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