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Old 20-11-2012, 21:22   #1
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Default Sotis D-litter & "infertile" Kondor

Hello Admin,

May I ask you, in order to repair "database pollution", to add the proper father to the Sotis D-litter at the next update? At this moment namely Cherokee Eden severu is listed as the father, while it should be Kondor z Krotkovského dvora , as he always wás listed as the father, until recently. See also this link.

Just out of curiosity: how could this happen? By the way, does anybody know if Kondor z Krotkovského dvora is still alive?

Thanks in advance!

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Old 20-11-2012, 21:28   #2
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the father of this liter is not Kondor, but Cherokee... the CMKU took the pedigree and change it. the father is due DNA tests Cherokee.
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Old 20-11-2012, 21:39   #3
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Thanks Leila! But it's weird! For years Kondor z Krotkovského dvora has been listed as the father, hence .....
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maybe you can use a google translator, here are the czech club pages, where you can read about it more

http://www.cswolfdog.cz/index.php?op...huzi&Itemid=78

http://www.cswolfdog.cz/index.php?op...huzi&Itemid=78
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Old 20-11-2012, 22:23   #5
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Yep, Kondor z Krotkovskeho dvora is even said to be infertile...
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Old 20-11-2012, 22:41   #6
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> OK, that explains everything!

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Yep, Kondor z Krotkovskeho dvora is even said to be infertile...
> does that mean that the actual listed fathership of the G-litter of z Peronówki is doubtful?

Is Kondor z Krotkovského dvora still alive?
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Old 20-11-2012, 23:12   #7
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It's enough to look at photos of Kondor and G litter to see he's the father of the litter.
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Old 20-11-2012, 23:29   #8
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Yes there is a lot of resemblance. They all look great and I follow the development of the offspring of Kondor z Krotkovského dvora for a while, so I was surprised that suddenly the paternity of Sotis D-litter was changed. That's why I posted this. Enjoy your dogs!
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Old 20-11-2012, 23:41   #9
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Yep, Kondor z Krotkovskeho dvora is even said to be infertile...
Can you say me WHO is telling it? This is a very serious allegation.

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does that mean that the actual listed fathership of the G-litter of z Peronówki is doubtful?
No, it just means that some liars fall into paranoia and we will solve it on the official way...
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Old 21-11-2012, 01:34   #10
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It's enough to look at photos of Kondor and G litter to see he's the father of the litter.
Narvana, you don't need to explain it - everybody can see it.
The reason for such words as written of Certice is completely different. It is what we call now "Czech factory of lies" - it is a person/group of people who think they can tell lies about dogs, breeders and owners without any consequences. They do not have any scruples - usually they are cheating people from abroad (mostly new people) and usually they lie about breeders and dogs from abroad. But their victims are also Czech breeders and Czech dogs. This situation is seriously ill.
Unfortunately at least one of them is a member of the Czech breeding comittee.
And as you show for sure on the Polish forum during the discussion with one of the "respectable" Czech breeders and as you can see it here this "cancer" is spreading among the Czech breeders.

But there is a official way to stop it... So do not worry - we will just wait for the name of the person which Certice will give us...
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Old 21-11-2012, 09:17   #11
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Oh no, no names Margo. I'm sorry that I even mentioned the rumour, I don't want to join in the "war." It's just what I heard. G litter are beautiful dogs, strikingly so in my opinion.
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Old 21-11-2012, 11:05   #12
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Oh no, no names Margo. I'm sorry that I even mentioned the rumour, I don't want to join in the "war." It's just what I heard.
Czertice, I have NOTHING against you but you can see how sick is the situation in your country right now. Lies are being spread, liars are even members of the breeding comittee... People repeat the lies without to be affraid of ANY consequences. "Famous" breeders do not only tolerate liars, but actively defend them. Sorry, but this is no more "breeding in the country of origin," but the very bottom....


What would YOU say if I would say your dogs is ill mongrel, with fake pedigree, to small size (with cheated bonitation), agressive character, wrong bite? And you are just criminal? No Certice, what people in Czech Republic continiue to repeat are no more RUMORS told by someone. It is an organized group of people dedicated to injure breeders/owners and our breed.
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Old 21-11-2012, 13:05   #13
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does that mean that the actual listed fathership of the G-litter of z Peronówki is doubtful?
Father Kondor:





Daughter Garuda:




Gothmog and Garuda:

Gothmog:


Gwaihir:




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Somebody who questions Kondor's fatherhood of these dogs must be either blind, or ....very "jelous"
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Somebody who questions Kondor's fatherhood of these dogs must be either blind, or ....very "jelous"
I think we have more to do with the usual pathology: pathological liar.
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Geryon ZP are a clon Cesar ( Kondor father) this proofe and old slovak breeder too.
Czertize, we not need a name, we know his. Not first time bulshit tell this person, and I think not latest. I hope her work help her in this way what she wish for others.

And if are question about Kondors paternity- I can send Geryon DNA to testing for CZ club any problem only test make a club and pay fee.
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And if are question about Kondors paternity- I can send Geryon DNA to testing for CZ club any problem only test make a club and pay fee.
I already suggested it. I told we can arrange it: I can ask all the owners to send the blood for testing. If Kondor is not the father I will pay for everything. If he is not the father the person who is telling the lies will pay all expences. Till now I have not answer... Only the lie is spreading...

It is not the only case - there are more and more lies.... Really - since some years I'm veryfing EVERY news comming from Czech Republic SEVERAL TIMES till I believe in it...
For me, a large number of Czech breeders (including the club) completely lost its credibility.
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I can ask all the owners to send the blood for testing. If Kondor is not the father I will pay for everything. If he is not the father the person who is telling the lies will pay all expences.
Great idea! Especially that the DNA result would be 0:1 - Kondor is (or was?) either fertile or infertile. The accusstions will be verified if by DNA testing just one pup turns out to be Kondor's progeny.

I'd only suggest chosing a reliable and independent laboratory, or double test the dog(s) in question, because those who lie usually have no problem with cheating .
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The accusstions will be verified if by DNA testing just one pup turns out to be Kondor's progeny.
I doubt about it.... We do not deal with NORMAL people...

Kondor is (was - I don't know if he is still alive) fertile for 100% and only blind people can doubt about it... The whole story about "infertile Kondor" was started by an envy Czech breeder who was trying to promote her stud dog (from the D-litter Sotis). Since it came out that her dog is not the son of Kondor she started to spread lies about the G-litter....
It is just her another private war. And not the first lie we deal with...
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The whole story about "infertile Kondor" was started by an envy Czech breeder who was trying to promote her stud dog (from the D-litter Sotis). Since it came out that her dog is not the son of Kondor she started to spread lies about the G-litter....
In that case it would interesting to hear her suggestions re which other CSV stud would "produce" Kondor's near-clones.
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All beautiful dogs and definitely offspring of Kondor, given the striking resemblance!
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