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Old 28-07-2011, 00:54   #1
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Hi all, i am from Serbia and i am interested in having a CzW. I live in village, have a lot of space and 1km from my house there is forest, river and one lake. I think i have all conditions that need for an adult CzW. I know some things about CzW, it is mix between wolves and German shepherds in 1955 for Cz army need. I already have female German Shepherd 2 years old and i learned a lot about dogs behaviour, i trained my dog without any help and evrything works fine. I see evryone says that CzW is wolf dog hybrid but there is difference between offsprings of wolf and dog (this are popular in America) and almost 50 years old selecting in line, so my opinion is that CzW cant be compared with wolf dog hybrids in America.
I just want to ask would be a problem for CzW (i want to get male) to live with my female GSD ? Since CzW is made of GSD in one part i dont think it should be a problem but i wanna hear what think about that more experinced people.
I also have sheeps and chickens, i know CzW have big pray drive so i want some advice about this, can that be a problem (we all knows that wolves like sheeps meat ) ?
I also have big and well secured fence, nice neigbhours (as much as they can be nice ) so i think i have all that need to have one CzW ?
Ofcourse to have one i must buy one but i think that there is no breeders of this dogs in Serbia so which country close to mine may have them, maybe Romania ?
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Old 28-07-2011, 19:19   #2
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Hello and welcome to the forum

I can't help you so much personally with whether CsVs usually get along with resident dogs (male or female) or if they can be maintained with other animals, since mine is just a puppy, but definitely I know there are people with multiple dogs and cats, chickens, etc with CsVs. I think it's probably a matter of management.

I think foremost to Vlcak-owning success is not how much land you have or not have, or how much dog experience you may or may not have, but rather one's willingness to grow and learn together with a Vlcak, at times maybe even disregarding 'rules' that have worked with other dogs in the past.

Research and look for dogs whose lines you like.. distance and proximity are not always the best reasons to pick a specific breeder. Good luck!
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Old 29-07-2011, 14:49   #3
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Golden speach from California for you, Konstantin...that's so true !
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Old 31-07-2011, 16:58   #4
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The thing is with CSVs, no 2 are exactly alike, so it's hard to say what would work exactly for a "hypothetical" dog. I have 2 CSVs that have no problem to be around cats (chickens are a different story! Everybody would like an opportunity to chase those - but my CSVs met the chickens after they were all older, and not little puppies). I have other CSVs who one day in their older puppyhood became veeeeery interested in cats...and I know not to trust the those dogs unsupervised around the cats. All of my dogs have a similar background in the way they were raised and socialized and trained; 2 also have identical parents. All have very different temperaments and needs though. Some like to climb (tall fences included), others to chew, some to dig, others to jump, especially as puppies/teenagers. Some are quite dominant towards other dogs (usually of the same sex, but not always). Others have no problem with any other dogs, although they ALL play very roughly, which is too much for some shy/timid/insecure dogs. Some of my dogs are quite content to lay around the house for much of the day on a soft cushion - they would be great in an apartment, others stare at the door all day waiting to go outside and run, I can't imagine trying to keep up with them without big open spaces.I try to think of each the same way a parent thinks about a child - knowing that each has some weaknesses, but also that each has some strengths. I love them all equally, and we grow and make adaptations. They have funny periods as they grow where they seem more defiant, sometimes more suspicious, sometimes more dominant towards other dogs, but these moments tend to smooth out, or at least become consistant and predictable, which is good for training, as they mature.

Like yukidomari said, don't let proximity become a deciding factor. You will spend a lot of money for a puppy, you might as well spend a bit extra to make sure the puppy is as close as possible to what you want. Look for a breeder that socializes all of their dogs to many situations, animals, people - and also one that will be honest about the good and bad traits of their dogs, and not just make the parents out to be superheroes. A good breeder is also very familiar with the individual emerging personalities of the puppies, and will either choose, or help you to choose, a puppy that shows promise to fit your needs. Ask about why they chose to breed the dogs they did, make sure they will be there to support you if you have questions or problems...and never be afraid to ask questions, or to take advice of people with experience. I don't think anyone (myself included!), even with many hours of research, knows completely what they are getting into with their first CSV "darling". Everyday is something new to learn for the owner, you must keep a very open, patient, active mind!
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Well i dont expect from CzW to be submissive as my female german shepherd is, and i dont want to be. I also dont expect that CzW learn so much commands as my german shepherd knows, but i expect that i can teach CzW to sit, stay, tracking a little and protection a little, nothing more. I know about his needs to run, jump or whatever else and as i said i have as much space and wildness as it need for a WOLF.
Now i just explained what i want, is this too much or not?
I like free spirit of this breed and its independence but i also want to my CzW knows this few commands, are my expectations too big?
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Old 01-08-2011, 07:33   #6
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I appreciate your reasonable approach and don't think you expect too much. On the contrary, you will be surprised how quickly vlcaks learn new things (good and bad!) and how much they understand, naturally provided they are given opportunity to learn. Obeying is a different issue, but comes with time and consistent repetitions, patience and good motivation.

In my opinion you've thought about many aspects except one: opportunities to socialize your pup! If you don't show your young czw "the world" you'll eventually end up with a fearful animal afraid of people, noises, etc.

You need to expose the puppy to various surfaces, different people, take him to friendly stores, offices, parks, and wherever they let you in with a little overactive beast , show him crowds of people, traffic, roadworks, teach him to travel on buses and trains, etc. Naturally, you also need to find time for this and be ready for some portions of humility, when you pup misbehaves ... There are no shortcuts in brining up a vlcak. There more time, energy and heart you put into it, the better contact you'll have with the adult dog.

IMO the "genetically" good character and very good socialisation are more important than acres of land and "perfect" conditions if you want to have a companion that trusts you is eager to learn and is not afraid of the new situations.
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Konstantin,

In case you didn't see this thread (and apologies to Fernando for pinching it ), these videos give you an idea of what can be possible with a CsV pup given the correct encouragement and environment (patience, love, understanding and firm, fair discipline).

http://www.youtube.com/user/ByronLupusIbericus
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Old 03-08-2011, 16:37   #8
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That puppy grow so fast, nice video from first days to 9 months old...
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