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Breed standard & bonitations How typical CzW should look like, measurements and commentaries to the breed standard, information about bonitations and youth presentations.... |
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02-12-2008, 09:15 | #141 |
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Matusincova isn't judge !!!!!!! He never pass exam for judge. She is a head of breeding commission in Czech . I agree with lupis you have good questions and very good point of vieiw .
The judge in Prag was Anna Simackova but code make Matusincova . I don't agree with czech breeding commission, it' s not a secret . But it's czech problem..... And something to animal measure. It's difficult measure animals and give always the same number. It depends f.e. on condition, character, coat, if you measure on grass or on concrete......But too small dogs you can recognize at first sight. Standard said this precisely but if somebody want use small dogs who can prevent it ? Nobody. |
02-12-2008, 10:39 | #142 | |
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For me there is more to the beauty of a dog than its hight or weight. These are proportions, head, movement, character etc., etc. Maybe breeding Czechoslovakian elephants would be a solution for some Czech breeders? |
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02-12-2008, 10:46 | #143 |
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No Rona, size is not only one criterium for breeding. Do you know standart? Read what size MUST be wolfdog. If it is most beautiful wolfdog on the World, under standart size, it must not be in breeding. Standart is only one, for all wolfdogs.
I was on bonitation in Prag where was judge Simackova. I was sitting by table and I wrote codes to pedigree. But I don´t remember, only mrs. Matusincova told me codes....... it was work of all bonitation comission. And if was problem we spoke about it together. Hmmmm, maybe I was on some second action.................. |
02-12-2008, 10:51 | #144 |
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No Rona - you are wrong for czech breedrs is important standard . And we have breeding comission and they advice breeding elephant but only in other kennel not in own .... Its difficult to explain it. In other country you can mix what you want ( I thing it's sometimes better, but sometimes.....) in Czech we must have paper from breeding comission -----and use dogs f.e. from Italy is very hard fight with Matusincova.
For me is important normal CSW with good character. Beuty is not all ......And what somebody love (small dogs ) somebody seems it is bad. |
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The real (and for me really irritating) problem is that if OUR (or our friend's dog) is small - it was underfed and/or sick in puppyhood. If a dog of our antagonist is small - it is UGLY and does not meet the standard. Do you see the point I'm trying to make? In my opinion this is a very childish and self-destructive attitude which in the long run will lead to the devaluation of bonitation. In fact, it already has. Not to mention, that honest breeders will fear to write openly about their dogs' imperfections - and no dog is perfect, even the best Czech one. Quote:
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02-12-2008, 12:47 | #146 | ||
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Anyway the dogs shown in example have taken P3, and this result isn't so "orrible". I don't agree with some judgment but overall I think mrs Matusincova judged well. Quote:
During "italian" bonitace (without character test ) he gone in panic when somebody outsdide the ring closed the door of his car...
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02-12-2008, 13:00 | #147 |
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In italian bonitation is NOT test of character?
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02-12-2008, 13:47 | #148 |
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sometimes yes, sometimes no...
Now, the c. test of italian club bonitace is similar to CAL 1. The dog never be alone at the picket. At the year of serramazzoni bonitace, they don't wanted any character test (because in that bonitace were many shy dogs of "some" breeders), but mrs. Bognarova gained, after a hard bargaining, that the dog should be almost alone (however without any threat). So the test was more easy, but some dogs had troubles( big troubles) even with that easy test. This is why many italian breeders and owners no more go to bonitaces organized by italian club and manage to organize themselves with the help of foreign kennel clubs (like that in Pavia).
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03-12-2008, 21:59 | #149 |
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Yes, and this sounds strange... I have a tall and muscular but still very feminine female (Walkiria Girios dvasia) and in my case I am more worried about "mastif" like looking dogs, about too big and to heavy dogs... My female was measured during the bonitation by Oskar Dora and the code says she is 66 cm. But when I measure her myself, the number is changing So maybe we should trust the experts?...
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04-12-2008, 01:48 | #150 | |
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My female was 61 cm on youth presentation (of a CZ judge) and 60 cm on a later Bonitation (of a SK judge) But this is not a real problem for me!
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05-12-2008, 10:31 | #152 |
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vaiva,
I never read here, somebody like "mastife types". If you thought me, I DON´T LIKE heavy dogs. But I only write: standart is standart and we must respect it. In this case we write about size. It is- why I answer about size now. When will be topic about some other things- we can write about other things. Why do you mean- somebody like heavy dogs? |
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