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Old 19-07-2004, 18:16   #21
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Hi Reut.
Your dog is very very nice, but she realy doesn`t have a mask and it`s not good.......
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Old 19-07-2004, 19:36   #22
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Old 19-07-2004, 20:02   #23
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Reut she is cute
but like anna say doesn`t have a mask and it`s not good

that what happend whan ppl breed for money and not to get a dog like in the Standard

I hope to see puppys of Cezar x Ambra in good Standard and will get good results here.
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Old 19-07-2004, 20:42   #24
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I don`t think it`s a good idea to take Alfa to show - she doesn`t have normal tail and she is to small.
I didn't see Alfa's tail and her size but as long as she's at least 60cm high it is OK. I don't know what is wrong about her tail but could you explain what does it mean that she doesn't have normal one? Is it broken or missing?
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Old 19-07-2004, 20:50   #25
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Hi Reut.
Your dog is very very nice, but she realy doesn`t have a mask and it`s not good.......
I can agree that the dog isn't perfect as is none of the CzWs - nobody is perfect but again mask is not the only characteristic. It's looks more like a barely pronounced mask but is not such big fault as missing mask (which is disqualification). Missing mask means black mouth like by GSD or malinois.

Much more important are body proportions, expression of the head, character (very important) and this all is very difficult to judge based on a photo...
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Missing mask means black mouth like by GSD or malinois.
U talking about a mask like that?

HUMMEL VOM ROTEN FALKEN IPO 3, SCHH 3, HD-A (AUSTRIA)

Maybe this photo is better ...
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When I think about missing mask I mean something like this:
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One more remark. If we are judging the mask then it should be judged based on overall colour of coat. It means that when the dog is very light he should have white mask but when he's darker with light gray coat color (without pure white) then it's enought when the mask has that specific colour - it's then considered that mask is OK (not even bad pronounced).
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Old 19-07-2004, 21:27   #29
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so in my dogs case what is it then?
and can you tell me any thing more? maybe in private
there are no judes that realy know the breed in israel so it will be hard geting a real opinion.
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so in my dogs case what is it then? and can you tell me any thing more?
It is really hard to judge a dog basing only on some photos. Typical mask should look like this:

(but it is perfect case)

By Czechoslovakian Wolfdogs you can meet different varieties and many differences. In this case I would not talk about "black mask". It is on the border mainly caused by dark brown colour of the hair... But to say more I would need more photos...
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And i think u don`t need to breed Alfa any more. We just need to find good blood for puppis of Alfa (Ambra) and Cezar
Are there really so many puppies? Because Ambra is worth do breed with her: she comes from the one and only litter of Bruna od Bulizniku. The father of this litter has also only few offsprings which were used for breeding. From this 'A' litter from the kennel Schovanka only Ambra was used for breeding. So her puppies have pretty unique blood which in future time can be also interesting for breeders from other countries...
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Old 20-07-2004, 02:06   #32
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i say it b4 .... i'm not going to breed her now, we got to mach puppys from her, but maybe in the future when we will have more lines we can make OutCross with her.
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So if we look at Cezar, his mask is not a Typical mask but still a mask that make the Standard?



Ambra have a Standard mask also right?


This why i miss the PitBull Standard.. colours are not important
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Old 20-07-2004, 07:19   #34
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It`s really very dificult to judje only by fotos. I could say mach more when I come. But even if she is out of standart shie`s very nice and u love here. U didn`t took dog for breeding, so it`s not so importent for u if she not 100% standart. Am I right? There will be big dog show in October and europenian judjes will come. Usualy they anderstand better this dreed than israekian do. So we could ask them about our puppis.
If u want come to us to Haifa with dog, u`ll see the realy standart dog ( judje from Croatia and Poland jujded here and she got exelent) and they coulde play. We are wellcome )))))
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Gidi, I didn`t get any email from u
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Old 20-07-2004, 07:26   #36
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As Alfa`s old ownwer said, here tail was broken during she played with other puppis. Now she has something like half tail and without any black end. May be it`s possible to explaine to jujde this story, I dont`t know.
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Gidi, can u measure Alfa`s height?
My Laska is 60cm, and Alfa looks smaller.
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Old 20-07-2004, 07:34   #38
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We have 4 litters from AlfaXCezar and 2 litters from AbbaXCezar. Abba is my dog and she is Alfa`s sister. BUT. Only 2 last litters (11 puppis) of Alfa will get pedigree.
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Now she has something like half tail and without any black end. May be it`s possible to explaine to jujde this story, I dont`t know.
I such cases all you need is to visit a vet and ask him to see the dog, tell him the whole story and ask him to write into the health book that the tail is broken. It should be enough - I know a CzW without an eye and because he is still looking good he get titles on dog shows. Sure from time to time you will meet a judge which will pay attention to it but according my observation such judges are really an exception...
Of course if you have bigger competition and in the ring are also dogs with "normal" tail it can have influence on the judge's decision... But sometimes it doesn't matter...
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I will do it soon anna.... BTW can u send me your e-mail to [email protected]

i send u e-mail last day and i got it back
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