British Kennel Club Recognition - Page 19

Tazer · 30-09-2011, 16:16

I also prefer Vlcak. Though what is the correct way to say it? Want to make sure I'm getting it right.

Though as I said in a previous post, I don't think they should be grouped with the herding breeds as they are in other countries.

Taz

Shadowlands · 30-09-2011, 16:28

Here in Bulgaria it is pronounced ''Vulchack'' but the 'u' isn't really pronounced just kinda caught in the back of your throat, if you know what I mean?

I have seen people write that they have heard it pronounced more like ''veal chuck''...

Guess it would be best to find out how it is pronounced in Czech or Slovakian and go with the more authentic sounding name

AMERICANI · 30-09-2011, 17:10

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Originally Posted by Shadowlands

Here in Bulgaria it is pronounced ''Vulchack'' but the 'u' isn't really pronounced just kinda caught in the back of your throat, if you know what I mean?

I have seen people write that they have heard it pronounced more like ''veal chuck''...

Guess it would be best to find out how it is pronounced in Czech or Slovakian and go with the more authentic sounding name

I would like to know if we are goofing also! I understand the proper sound (which I can barely make - in the back of my throat), but I don't believe many other Americans do. I posted on my site "Veel-chuck".. I would be glad to change this if it is incorrect!

tupacs2legs · 30-09-2011, 17:26

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Originally Posted by Tazer

I also prefer Vlcak. Though what is the correct way to say it? Want to make sure I'm getting it right.

Though as I said in a previous post, I don't think they should be grouped with the herding breeds as they are in other countries.

Taz

same.. working group all the way for me

ceskoslovensky vlcak is what i would like.

i thought it was said veelchuck but i was speaking to someone the other day and they said it was pronounced more like.. 'vilk'

tupacs2legs · 30-09-2011, 17:28

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Originally Posted by Shadowlands

I've just has a wee look at some of the paperwork we have for Shadow and it seems the FCI name is Ceskoslovensky Vlcak. That is how it is listed on her pedigree, the pups' pedigrees and her, newly arrived - 10 mins ago - CIE Title Certificate (sorry to boast, but I'm a proud mummy at the moment

)

It would seem it is us native English speakers who must have changed the name to something easier for us at some point in the past

and so u should be!!! i am happy and proud for u and your gorgeous girlie!

Shadowlands · 30-09-2011, 17:38

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Originally Posted by tupacs2legs

and so u should be!!! i am happy and proud for u and your gorgeous girlie!

Off topic and sorry... but thanks

hedeon · 30-09-2011, 17:47

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Originally Posted by tupacs2legs

same.. working group all the way for me

ceskoslovensky vlcak is what i would like.

i thought it was said veelchuck but i was speaking to someone the other day and they said it was pronounced more like.. 'vilk'

Vlcak comes from Vlk (wolf). I am not very sure how Slovakians are pronouncing it, but I think it sounds like "vlchaack". "veal chuck" or "veel chuck" sounds more like polish name of that breed "wilczak". I will ask Pavel anyway.

But should it be original "ceskoslovensky" or english "czechoslovakian"?

Murph · 30-09-2011, 18:57

So what is the consensus on how to pronounce Vicak?

yukidomari · 30-09-2011, 19:09

There's a sound clip here on WD, posted when the question was asked before.

In it, (maybe it was a Czech-speaker) it sounded more like vul-chak (vul, rhymes with with the beginning part of 'wolf'.

I wonder which is right? I'll try to dig up the link.

ETA: Here: http://www.wolfdog.org/forum/showthread.php?t=14853

Tazer · 30-09-2011, 19:52

Ok, well that clears that up quite nicely.

Taz

hedeon · 30-09-2011, 19:57

http://nancy.wolfdog.cz/help/CsV.mp3

sounds like vlchaak, isn't it? ;p

Tazer · 30-09-2011, 19:58

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Originally Posted by tupacs2legs

same.. working group all the way for me

ceskoslovensky vlcak is what i would like.

Can you imagine the crufts tv presenters trying to pronounce that.

Taz

tupacs2legs · 30-09-2011, 20:10

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Originally Posted by Tazer

Can you imagine the crufts tv presenters trying to pronounce that.

Taz

thats part of the fun

tupacs2legs · 30-09-2011, 20:12

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Originally Posted by hedeon

http://nancy.wolfdog.cz/help/CsV.mp3

sounds like vlchaak, isn't it? ;p

yes vilchaark (phonetically)

pixie · 02-10-2011, 21:27

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Originally Posted by tupacs2legs

Hi taz

Can u pm me your fb details please?

Has the group been set up then

Murph · 05-10-2011, 14:49

Any progres to report ?!

Mist · 16-11-2011, 15:16

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Originally Posted by hedeon

http://nancy.wolfdog.cz/help/CsV.mp3

sounds like vlchaak, isn't it? ;p

Yes, vlchaak is correct. There is no "i" in the beggining. And there is a long "a" at the end. We write it vlčák.

orkwolf · 17-11-2011, 16:09

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Originally Posted by orkwolf

Hi nice to meet you.
I really wanted to breed the pure initially, but couldnt find a suitable girl, I went to a breeder to get a bitch but ended up with a good few adult crosses. Perhaps I would have done things slightly differently now. I dont regret the wonderful pups ive had and the great people I have met.
paul

I was very surprised to see this the following on wolfdog after all the slating and bashing my small kennels have received for daring to "bastardise" the breed. I was shocked to see people openly cross and mix breed here!
http://www.wolfdog.org/site/dbase/d/5570

http://www.wolfdog.org/site/dbase/d/7853

Ive also just been reading another thread here where they are debating a experimental mating which took place in CZ in 2003 with pure female Canadian wolf and CSV without registration. Apparently the F1 pups from this mating has been registered as CSV dogs and the laugh is that the "pure" CSV is a cross of Carpathian wolf with GSD NOT a Canadian Wolf. The Saarloos is outcome of Canadian wolf with GSD.
They have F1 crosses there which possibly has been mixed with breeding of pure CSV and all of them are stating that kennels Passo del Lupo and Foresta Incantata have mixed some of the offspring of this experimental dogs into their breeding.
So there is a good chance that such dogs are still in CZ so what a laugh them talking about crossbreeds if they mixed in the wrong wolf to start with and potentialy even in some cases the selling of hybrids.

Makes Orkwolf with a handful of dogs and all the hype that that has created seem a little like a pin in a haystack to what is really going on with the breed! However we will be breeding pure in the future.
Thanks

yukidomari · 20-11-2011, 23:29

Have you not seen the multiple threads on here about Mutara, and Passo del Lupo? Have you ever wondered why PdL's litters are banned from WD, even the purebred matches? Nobody is excused and small scale mutt breeders aren't 'less worse' than large. Mutara as I understand were denied from slovak and czech registration. And all offspring from this 'project' are marked so in the database.

orkwolf · 20-11-2011, 23:52

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Originally Posted by yukidomari

Have you not seen the multiple threads on here about Mutara, and Passo del Lupo? Have you ever wondered why PdL's litters are banned from WD, even the purebred matches? Nobody is excused and small scale mutt breeders aren't 'less worse' than large. Mutara as I understand were denied from slovak and czech registration. And all offspring from this 'project' are marked so in the database.

Thank you for taking the time to write back.
It amazes me how certain ones outside the UK slate me for crossing, yet their "best friends" in the UK cross their pet csv mixed dogs with husky mix and they dont say a word on here about them, hypercritical lol

30-09-2011, 16:16	#361
Tazer Junior Member Join Date: Jul 2010 Posts: 77	I also prefer Vlcak. Though what is the correct way to say it? Want to make sure I'm getting it right. Though as I said in a previous post, I don't think they should be grouped with the herding breeds as they are in other countries. Taz __________________ Never argue with idiots. they drag you down to their level, then beat you with experience.

30-09-2011, 19:09	#369
yukidomari Moderator Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: Los Angeles CA Posts: 847	There's a sound clip here on WD, posted when the question was asked before. In it, (maybe it was a Czech-speaker) it sounded more like vul-chak (vul, rhymes with with the beginning part of 'wolf'. I wonder which is right? I'll try to dig up the link. ETA: Here: http://www.wolfdog.org/forum/showthread.php?t=14853 Last edited by yukidomari; 30-09-2011 at 19:13.

30-09-2011, 19:52	#370
Tazer Junior Member Join Date: Jul 2010 Posts: 77	Ok, well that clears that up quite nicely. Taz __________________ Never argue with idiots. they drag you down to their level, then beat you with experience.

20-11-2011, 23:29	#379
yukidomari Moderator Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: Los Angeles CA Posts: 847	Have you not seen the multiple threads on here about Mutara, and Passo del Lupo? Have you ever wondered why PdL's litters are banned from WD, even the purebred matches? Nobody is excused and small scale mutt breeders aren't 'less worse' than large. Mutara as I understand were denied from slovak and czech registration. And all offspring from this 'project' are marked so in the database. Last edited by yukidomari; 20-11-2011 at 23:44.

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30-09-2011, 16:28	#362
Shadowlands Junior Member Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Vidin Posts: 391	Here in Bulgaria it is pronounced ''Vulchack'' but the 'u' isn't really pronounced just kinda caught in the back of your throat, if you know what I mean? I have seen people write that they have heard it pronounced more like ''veal chuck''... Guess it would be best to find out how it is pronounced in Czech or Slovakian and go with the more authentic sounding name

30-09-2011, 18:57	#368
Murph Junior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Devon Posts: 54	So what is the consensus on how to pronounce Vicak?

30-09-2011, 19:57	#371
hedeon Junior Member Join Date: Jul 2011 Location: Milton Keynes, UK Posts: 132	http://nancy.wolfdog.cz/help/CsV.mp3 sounds like vlchaak, isn't it? ;p

05-10-2011, 14:49	#376
Murph Junior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Devon Posts: 54	Any progres to report ?!