Dancing Cloud's Kennel

solowolf · 26-04-2008, 00:30

hi i see you have news and updates,, the u.k breeders listings hav been missing for 7 months now, so this has not been updated, many requests have been sent but never a reply?? i think it is very sad you have removed us from the breeders listings yet you allow the Luxemberg breeder Gabrielle Lyhs of Dancing Cloud to remain even after we told you the litter of Besi blue de louba tar and Chrop z kladenski zare in 2003 was not born in Luxemburg but that the pups where taken from the de louba tar kennels in France to the home of Gabrielle Lyhs they were registered and chipped at this address in Luxemberg then transported back to France, then you and mrs Keizer told everyone the first litter of Czechoslovakian wolfdogs had been born in Luxemburg, you also forgot to mention amaretto dancing cloud is no longer your dog but is in uk, this needs to be updated,,, i would like the regulators of this site to ask Gabrielle Lyhs why she done this, ask Gabrielle to send in a photo of this litter with mother Besi blue in her home, everyone takes photos of there puppies especially the first litter born in a diffferent country, but Gabrielle can not send any photos for the pups where born at de louba tar kennels and i was the one taking the photos and rearing the pups, this site needs to get its house into order, i sent this info nearly 18 mths ago and was ignored, sorry to butt in on this thread but if we try to make topic from uk it will not be published, as it has been like this for over 1 year now, why do people do this sort of thing ? what do the gain from this? these pups now adults could all end up loosing there pedigrees as they were falsly registered out side country of birth, they were transported without vet checks and were under age to enter another country by european law. so i think the Dancing cloud kennels of Gabrielle Lyhs needs to be updated as well,,,,,,, r.winder

Nebulosa · 26-04-2008, 20:55

I think that for change a information like this from Dancing Clouds the site needs proof's about it, it's different you told about it and proof what you're talking, probably who send this information about the litter of Dancing Clouds and the owners datas was the proper breeder, will be very bad someone change these informations without the agreement or knowledge of the owner.

solowolf · 30-04-2008, 13:49

It is very obvious that there are not to many people here who care about what the Dancing cloud kennels are up to, IT IS AFFECTING YOUR BREED////has anyone contacted Gabrille of dancing cloud kennels to ask of any questions.
I now state on line that the litter i mentioned were fraudulently registered by Dancing cloud kennels in Luxemburg, that the litter was born in France at the De louba tar kennels, I will give photograpic and evidence via statements to anyone who wishes to persue this matter,
To Gabrille of Dancing cloud kennels I am asking you on line ( wHY DID YOU FRUADULENTLY REGISTER A LITTER OF CZECHOSLOVAKIAN WLFDOGS IN LUXEMBURG WHEN YOU KNOW THEY WERE BORN IN FRANCE) PLEASE EXPLIAN ALL TO THE MEMBERS OF WOLFDOG.ORG/////////you all do know that these dogs will all loose there Fci registration certificates and any offspring as well, as no one seems fit to take action or cares i will now send the paperwork to the FCI and kennel club. dont worry about the wolfdogs in uk. we are in mettings at present, you are so concerned over our club, you fail to take action about what is going on at your own door steps, are any of you even going to ask Gabrille, it is a discrace what is going on. i put on information to this site and all i get asked is about the uk club,,, i will put photo of besi blue de louba tar with her pups in the house of Mrs K.Keizers in France on my web site this evening, the pups are suckling the bitch, then maybe someone will ask Gabrille to send us pic of the first litter of Czechoslovakian wolfdogs born in Luxemburg, or maybe her camera was not working ///////i think i waste my energy on this site as no one seems to believe a word i say, or no one cares.. all it takes is one person to contact Gabrille and ask her to send photo of the pups with the mother in her home under the age of chipping, i stand by all i say and can prove it, r winder

Mikael · 07-07-2008, 14:07

Hello solowolf

What you say is totaly not exeptable and illegal if it is correct info.

What does the F,C,I ses in this mater ???

Way don´t Dancing Cloud anser or defend her self on this Thread ???

/ Mikael

Nebulosa · 07-07-2008, 20:48

He don't back to this topic as leave some questions about UK breeders and club open in another topic.
We're waiting too the confirmation about the DNA results of De Louba Tar dogs, but still we have nothing.
So, nobody know at what point is truth and what point is just a suposed personal war since he don't reply, proove or even back to the topics.

Pavel · 07-07-2008, 21:13

About kennel De Louba Tar was just many words written and said. Its always the choice of people, where buy the puppies. I always say, choice the reputable breeder, not the biggest, most famous or nearest ... Best way is ask by official breeders clubs. Reputable breeder in first row keep the breeding rules of countries of origin (see http://www.wolfdog.org/eng/articles/96.html). Of course not all registrated breeders are serious breeders, but buying puppy by someone, who dont keep the basic breeding rules, is the hight risk always.

Mikael · 07-07-2008, 22:29

OK

To try to undrstand this as a Scandinavian I must ask...

according to the papers, Was the puppys born in Luxemburg than leagly transported to France ???

If that is the case, in Sweden to sell a Imported puppy you must have goverments autoritys approvel, for second hand sell. This to stop Dog Trafficing.

But maby France dont have Dog Trafficing law, or maby France autoritys have approved a whole litter to change country ???
But that sund even more crazy to belive than smuggleing ???

HHHHmmmmmm / Mikael

Nebulosa · 08-07-2008, 03:13

I understand that they born in france in De Louba Tar kennel, was transported to Luxemburg and registered in the name of Dancing Cloud kennel, the litter was announced as the first litter born in Luxemburg and so the puppies back to France for De Louba Tar kennel, kennel where they really born.

Sorry, I really not know the rules in France and Luxemburg for the animal transport.

michaelundinaeichhorn · 08-07-2008, 09:02

In the EU it is allowed to cross the border with puppies under 8 weeks as long as they are in company with their mother which got all asked vaccinations.
And it is not very likely to get controlled on this route anyway.

But there still is no proof at all only excited postings.

Anyway I absolutely agree with Pavel, this is in the end a problem of naive and uninformed puppy-buyers that want a puppy as close at possible, at once and as cheap as possible. If they would get themself informed before they buy a puppy this problem wouldn´t have shown up. No bonitations, no character-tests, no x-rays, no clubshows with specialised judges, pairings repeated again and again, always stud dogs of the breeder or close by breeders are never a good sign.

Ina

Mikael · 09-07-2008, 03:00

Quote:

Originally Posted by michaelundinaeichhorn

Anyway I absolutely agree with Pavel, this is in the end a problem of naive and uninformed puppy-buyers that want a puppy as close at possible, at once and as cheap as possible. If they would get themself informed before they buy a puppy this problem wouldn´t have shown up. No bonitations, no character-tests, no x-rays, no clubshows with specialised judges, pairings repeated again and again, always stud dogs of the breeder or close by breeders are never a good sign.

Ina

Yes I understand what you mean, but I have hard to se what would be gain by transporting a female and her puppys illegal to Luxenburg to register and vaccineate them, and than legaly import them back to France ??? Wich means that the Luxenburg buyers have to import a Luxenburg puppy from France.

This sunds completely crazy and like a waste of mony and time, to not mention the risk of geting catch´t and lose there breeder licence, or (good) name(s)

Confused / Mikael

michaelundinaeichhorn · 09-07-2008, 17:51

Again, there is no proof for any of the accusations. We all wait for it since several month.
Reasons could be to have the puppies on a different kennel name, to find more people from Luxemburg for the "first litter", to get buyers that wouldn´t buy one from Mrs. Keizer, to make it less visible how many puppies are produced on one name. We won´t know, even if it is true.

Ina

26-04-2008, 00:30	#1
solowolf Junior Member Join Date: Dec 2003 Posts: 316	Dancing Cloud hi i see you have news and updates,, the u.k breeders listings hav been missing for 7 months now, so this has not been updated, many requests have been sent but never a reply?? i think it is very sad you have removed us from the breeders listings yet you allow the Luxemberg breeder Gabrielle Lyhs of Dancing Cloud to remain even after we told you the litter of Besi blue de louba tar and Chrop z kladenski zare in 2003 was not born in Luxemburg but that the pups where taken from the de louba tar kennels in France to the home of Gabrielle Lyhs they were registered and chipped at this address in Luxemberg then transported back to France, then you and mrs Keizer told everyone the first litter of Czechoslovakian wolfdogs had been born in Luxemburg, you also forgot to mention amaretto dancing cloud is no longer your dog but is in uk, this needs to be updated,,, i would like the regulators of this site to ask Gabrielle Lyhs why she done this, ask Gabrielle to send in a photo of this litter with mother Besi blue in her home, everyone takes photos of there puppies especially the first litter born in a diffferent country, but Gabrielle can not send any photos for the pups where born at de louba tar kennels and i was the one taking the photos and rearing the pups, this site needs to get its house into order, i sent this info nearly 18 mths ago and was ignored, sorry to butt in on this thread but if we try to make topic from uk it will not be published, as it has been like this for over 1 year now, why do people do this sort of thing ? what do the gain from this? these pups now adults could all end up loosing there pedigrees as they were falsly registered out side country of birth, they were transported without vet checks and were under age to enter another country by european law. so i think the Dancing cloud kennels of Gabrielle Lyhs needs to be updated as well,,,,,,, r.winder

30-04-2008, 13:49	#3
solowolf Junior Member Join Date: Dec 2003 Posts: 316	Dancing Cloud's Kennel It is very obvious that there are not to many people here who care about what the Dancing cloud kennels are up to, IT IS AFFECTING YOUR BREED////has anyone contacted Gabrille of dancing cloud kennels to ask of any questions. I now state on line that the litter i mentioned were fraudulently registered by Dancing cloud kennels in Luxemburg, that the litter was born in France at the De louba tar kennels, I will give photograpic and evidence via statements to anyone who wishes to persue this matter, To Gabrille of Dancing cloud kennels I am asking you on line ( wHY DID YOU FRUADULENTLY REGISTER A LITTER OF CZECHOSLOVAKIAN WLFDOGS IN LUXEMBURG WHEN YOU KNOW THEY WERE BORN IN FRANCE) PLEASE EXPLIAN ALL TO THE MEMBERS OF WOLFDOG.ORG/////////you all do know that these dogs will all loose there Fci registration certificates and any offspring as well, as no one seems fit to take action or cares i will now send the paperwork to the FCI and kennel club. dont worry about the wolfdogs in uk. we are in mettings at present, you are so concerned over our club, you fail to take action about what is going on at your own door steps, are any of you even going to ask Gabrille, it is a discrace what is going on. i put on information to this site and all i get asked is about the uk club,,, i will put photo of besi blue de louba tar with her pups in the house of Mrs K.Keizers in France on my web site this evening, the pups are suckling the bitch, then maybe someone will ask Gabrille to send us pic of the first litter of Czechoslovakian wolfdogs born in Luxemburg, or maybe her camera was not working ///////i think i waste my energy on this site as no one seems to believe a word i say, or no one cares.. all it takes is one person to contact Gabrille and ask her to send photo of the pups with the mother in her home under the age of chipping, i stand by all i say and can prove it, r winder

07-07-2008, 20:48	#5
Nebulosa Moderator Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Rio Grande do Sul Posts: 1,334	He don't back to this topic as leave some questions about UK breeders and club open in another topic. We're waiting too the confirmation about the DNA results of De Louba Tar dogs, but still we have nothing. So, nobody know at what point is truth and what point is just a suposed personal war since he don't reply, proove or even back to the topics. __________________

07-07-2008, 22:29	#7
Mikael Scandinavian Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Stockholm Posts: 1,089	OK To try to undrstand this as a Scandinavian I must ask... according to the papers, Was the puppys born in Luxemburg than leagly transported to France ??? If that is the case, in Sweden to sell a Imported puppy you must have goverments autoritys approvel, for second hand sell. This to stop Dog Trafficing. But maby France dont have Dog Trafficing law, or maby France autoritys have approved a whole litter to change country ??? But that sund even more crazy to belive than smuggleing ??? HHHHmmmmmm / Mikael __________________ _________________________________________________ Hronec, Rasty, Zilja Kennel, Wolfdog of Sweden* http://kennelwolfdogofsweden.vpsite.se/Home.html http://www.facebook.com/pages/Wolfdo...53067971392916

08-07-2008, 03:13	#8
Nebulosa Moderator Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Rio Grande do Sul Posts: 1,334	I understand that they born in france in De Louba Tar kennel, was transported to Luxemburg and registered in the name of Dancing Cloud kennel, the litter was announced as the first litter born in Luxemburg and so the puppies back to France for De Louba Tar kennel, kennel where they really born. Sorry, I really not know the rules in France and Luxemburg for the animal transport. __________________

26-04-2008, 20:55	#2
Nebulosa Moderator Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Rio Grande do Sul Posts: 1,334	I think that for change a information like this from Dancing Clouds the site needs proof's about it, it's different you told about it and proof what you're talking, probably who send this information about the litter of Dancing Clouds and the owners datas was the proper breeder, will be very bad someone change these informations without the agreement or knowledge of the owner.

07-07-2008, 14:07	#4
Mikael Scandinavian Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Stockholm Posts: 1,089	Hello solowolf What you say is totaly not exeptable and illegal if it is correct info. What does the F,C,I ses in this mater ??? Way don´t Dancing Cloud anser or defend her self on this Thread ??? / Mikael

07-07-2008, 21:13	#6
Pavel Moderator Join Date: Sep 2003 Posts: 2,190	About kennel De Louba Tar was just many words written and said. Its always the choice of people, where buy the puppies. I always say, choice the reputable breeder, not the biggest, most famous or nearest ... Best way is ask by official breeders clubs. Reputable breeder in first row keep the breeding rules of countries of origin (see http://www.wolfdog.org/eng/articles/96.html). Of course not all registrated breeders are serious breeders, but buying puppy by someone, who dont keep the basic breeding rules, is the hight risk always.

08-07-2008, 09:02	#9
michaelundinaeichhorn Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Bad Dürkheim Posts: 2,249	In the EU it is allowed to cross the border with puppies under 8 weeks as long as they are in company with their mother which got all asked vaccinations. And it is not very likely to get controlled on this route anyway. But there still is no proof at all only excited postings. Anyway I absolutely agree with Pavel, this is in the end a problem of naive and uninformed puppy-buyers that want a puppy as close at possible, at once and as cheap as possible. If they would get themself informed before they buy a puppy this problem wouldn´t have shown up. No bonitations, no character-tests, no x-rays, no clubshows with specialised judges, pairings repeated again and again, always stud dogs of the breeder or close by breeders are never a good sign. Ina

09-07-2008, 17:51	#11
michaelundinaeichhorn Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Bad Dürkheim Posts: 2,249	Again, there is no proof for any of the accusations. We all wait for it since several month. Reasons could be to have the puppies on a different kennel name, to find more people from Luxemburg for the "first litter", to get buyers that wouldn´t buy one from Mrs. Keizer, to make it less visible how many puppies are produced on one name. We won´t know, even if it is true. Ina