Hello Jenny

I do not talk shit, I only say that Crying Wolf is not famous for working dogs but for wolfish looking dogs, if you think that is talking shit ? Ask Edit ;) I do not think she will say she breeds working CsV´s :rock_3

Best regards / Mikael

Dear Jing,

I am no expert, I have only lived with CzW since february 2007. But my opinion is that, if someone want working dog, buy a german shepherd or other breed that for sure will do what work you want.

But you are right with that, there are kennels that do work with their Czw and compete too I suppose. But behind every CzW there is wolf, and even if you would buy a puppy from one working kennel, you still have a little bit of wild wolf in your leash. There is no quarantee of what you get, It is up to owner, if they understand their dog, understand how to train, what just "this unique wolfdog" needs. There is no way you can make a wolfdog to working dog with exams as "easily" as a GSD or Maliois.
I have much to learn, and I admire people who are good at training their dogs!
But this is my opinion. I have only trained obedience with my female Blazy for 3 years, not for exams, only because I enjoy it and I think dogs needs to do something with their head too, not just run and eat all the time :)
But Blazy is no working dog in my eyes, she is my sofa wolf... :)

Best regards
Jenny

Moved for this topic

quoting what Elf said long time ago

You buy puppy there? I will always be shocked because of you people supporting puppy production. But you have Crying wolf dog so i understad you will protect this style.

Jealous - no. I not a breeder and i have no reason. But i read and know much about work dogs. and i can not read such lies that sofa dog can be very good work dog.

Show dog i like sport dog and it mus be good character not shy. Ask why some breeder use drugs to be able to show dogs. befcause of very much bad character.
Same is body. dog with dysplasia in hips can not run good. it is also not "show line".
Sami with legs - in bad position the dog move ugly and can win only if judge is lame.

for me most important is character, but i wolf fan too. but on my list with 10 best wolfdogs is no crying wolf. I love galiba but i saw him and is nothing compared with photos. small, very much shy and thin bone. and very much not typical walk and run with problem in legs.

Good conformation itself is not a sign of a healthy dog, nor of good character. You're right. Although, a dog can have poor hips but be young enough that it doesn't show yet during gaiting.

I wasn't making a quality call on Crying Wolf's kennel - I don't know her kennel well enough and haven't done enough research to say anything regarding the quality of her dogs for show. :)

Maybe we should calm down a bit? :rock_3

We all know Sara´s thread:

Looking for a nice male CsW pup to import

http://www.wolfdog.org/forum/showthread.php?t=14024

Siobhan made the decision herself - without asking anybody. So now it´s her problem 8):lol::lol:

the circle goes round and round and it's time again to speak bad about cryinw wolf kennel.
funny that arguments are always the same (shy dogs bla bla) but people are not careful about what they say, they speak just to give air to the wind.

Question: does CW kennel breed WORKING CSWs?
Repy: does ANY BREEDER breed working CSW...please, avoid replying otherwise I will start laughing and never stop.

Question: have the characters of CW dogs improved during these years?
Repy: just look at the males Edit has been using recently...all strong charactered dogs, with good bloodlines.

You want to know a dog from CW who could be good for working? many...
problem is OWNER, not only dog!!

Echo Crying Wolf has got CAL2, examination for balanced dog (socialization with people, gunshot) and biting sleeve without leash.
He is now training for Ipo (hopefully!) while bla bla speaks on wolfdog forum.

Not only Crying Wolf has shy and bad dogs...but also all breeders who use their males are stupid and understand nothing...
Ariminnum, Zlata Palz, Sdrcervac to make a few names.

when will you guys stop speaking about virtuality and start speaking about facts??

oh...i forgot to say...
Myla crying wolf is one of my favourite dogs ON EARTH.
Why? give her the right handler (sorry christian) and she could make miracles.

I won't speak about other kennels to compare CW to, because frankly I don't know enough kennels.. I am learning too.

But to address this point:

That's absolutely true - and a good breeder wouldn't place a dog with a working character in a home where people don't want to do work with it. That's just asking for trouble. Are you saying that CW has placed a lot of working dogs in homes where people don't care to manage that?

I'm just saying that if a dog with good attitude to work meets an owner who wants to work...then you have a working dog!!
If an owner wants a "wolf looking dog" as 80% of owners...you get a "wolf behaving dog" too!!
Selection of OWNERS is as important as selection of dogs.
If you make many dogs, selecting owners becomes difficult...

Massimo

I not say about kennel with working dogs because all breed must be working. but here Crying wolf is with untypical charater of dpogs because has not working dogs in working breed.

If breeder sell dog for all people which pay that is prbolems with onwners. but is show that crying wolf is not responsible breeder if sell dog only to worst owners.

is for me bad example because is only name of litter because both dogs are of breeder spod Ïumbiera from slovakia. Crying wolkf give only name for kennel but is slovak litter with slovak character. not damaged by crying wolf.

not good examples because breeder you list are not know for good character. and look for titles not for real good dogs. Sdrcervac has shy dogs too i hear.and zlata palz make bussiness with crying wolf.and sarka not use Crying wolf.

Lupis...you really make me sick!!
So...if a dog has female from another breeder and male from another breeder it cannot be his own work??
Like 90% of good breeders right? Z molu es (upstream ariminnum is NOT Z molu es) Peronowki (jolly z molu es is NOT Peronowki), Zlata Palz (z rofa is NOT Zlata Palz) Ariminnum (Vlci nadije is NOT Ariminnum)
You should check what you say before writing it... you become more and more ridiculous!

more and more stupidity... (ok Paula...ban me but he/she/it deserves it!!)
Have you ever met Sdrcervac dogs?? You hear so much crap it should brake you ears!!
Amore Mio has a wonderful character as most of his sisters i've seen...not to mention the other litters!
Zlata Palz... :?...
And...Voilà...
http://www.wolfdog.org/ita/dbase/d11153.html
totally Crying wolf male.
You still continue writing on this forum??
You should be so ashamed that the keyboard should refuse to let you write!!
:p:p:p:p

Lupis, you´re nothing else but a troll who appears every 2 months.

Go home ... and don´t touch your keybord :lol::lol::lol::lol:

Angelika...you wanna be my lover??

you not understand. look dogs and look pedigree. More crying wolf dogs in pedigree is more shy is dog. Echo have no crying wolf in pedigree.
you write too that crying wolf must now use dogs from other kennel to have better charatcer. becasue if use two crying wolf the puppy are shy.

Amore is ok i know but other puppies not so good. other litter i not see.

I wrote long time before that many breeders use dogs with titles. blue is best example for breeders not think but breed titles. Is not much typical dog with not nice puppies with no wolf in look. but some titles and breeders with no thinking is goind to use such dog. for me not good excample for good breeder.
show me good breeder who work with dog and use craing wolf.

After this IDIOTIC reply I decided to BAN lupis.
I invite everybody else to do it too (sorry for admins..they can't!!)
Goodbye Lupis...say whatever you want...the AIR will listen to you!!

Sure ... :lol::lol::lol:

I did own a crying wolfdog as a replaced dog looking for a new home for a long time..
He was not easy to handle because of his independent and real strong pack behavior.
But he was NOT SHY at all and he did lke to WORK in every way you can only imagine as an owner :)
For him it was fun to do things with his owner and he did like everything NEW and for him Interested work as long as he could cooperate together:) So he was used in all kind of art projects (one of my personal goals)

And besides this I don't like to blame any breeder for "behavior" of the offspring of their dogs! :evil:
Because behavior of a dog always depents of a lot of things, like for example the personal behavior and raising of the owner;-)

It is ok, Mass. I am not the worker with dogs. I like more like Jenny sofa wolfs. Doing sports, mountainbiking, runing, climbing that is my favourite work with my dogs. And having a beer in a bar with them, that is what I like.

Thank you very much for liking Myla that much "on Earth".

I did not yet compare the breeding dogs if it is right what Lupis wrote that lot´s of breeders do breed with dogs from other kennels. Sure some breeders take puppy and socialize them and breed then. But there are breeders too who take adult csw and breed. And there are breeders who breed their own "line".

But it is true that a good dog handler/worker is able to pass lot´s of exams even if the dogs do not want. There is a breeder her who is world champion in passing exams with their dogs.... And their are csw owners who are world champion in doing shows. But that means not, that they really have working dogs, only why they did pass so much exams and that does not mean that they are only show dogs. These people would pass with every dog the exams, because I do not see where are the working lines, a few but not in all. Hope you understand what I mean.

Therefore Lupis it does not matter if a dog came out of a real working line, it depends on the owner. But sure he has to get to know the breed csw and has to recognize that he could not train a csw like Malinois.

Christian

Even if a breeder buys breeding dogs from another kennel, he/she has to know which one he/she buys, if it is good for breeding. And sorry to say, Edit knows which one are good and wolfish for her breed so that the owners are lucky.

And everyone who is into breeding knows that if the breeding dogs have another breeders name that this dog is not out of the own breed. But that is normal. But breeders like Edit and others keep the best for themselfs to breed more. See actually the E-litter with Emir.

Talking about Edit breeds small csw is nonsense. Even Yolka is 67 cm in shoulder and a big mama.

So do not trust people who are good in forums go head have a look by yourself at the breeder and of course of their dogs.

Christian

You mean, Crying Wolf is having so many litters every year that she can not select good owners, but MUST sell a puppy to everyone that is interested, good or bad... To young or no experience of owning a dog at all :rock_3 Right ???

Regards / Mikael

You will fight to death in this topic. But now sirpise for me. You have dog from edith and you must protect your breeder. I see you have litter with Passo del Lupo and visible you simply love big producers. Poor of you.

I write about many dogs and you find one with different. I write i see many crying dogs is small and you write of one female with size of male. one high dog of 300 breeding is good result for you?
I say nobody use crying wolf for breeding and you write you crying wolf is best worker. one of 300. But also with no title.
I write not about one exception but about average type.

You are twisting my words a bit, I just said what I think, which is also saying the obvious: the more puppies you make the less chances you have to select perfect owners, that refers to Crying Wolf but also to ANY OTHER breeder who makes more than just 2 or 3 litters per year.
In my opinion a good breeder who selects well shouldn't make more than 4 litters. More than that... Selecting owners is tough.

If you knew a bit better, you would know that Edit keeps the puppies she cannot sell to a good owner if she can instead of selling to anybody.
But surely you know Edit, you have visited her kennel, you've seen in which luxurious house she lives, you've seen how much money she makes on CSW etc...:rock_3 RIGHT? .

Apparently I know her better than you Massimo :lol: And I know this is not true ;) The only puppy´s she keep is the one she is to breed on or can not get rid of :evil:

Regards / Mikael

Just curiuos. Could you show your list? It would be interesting to see, maybe to discuss. Are there only wolfdogs alive now, or you picked from all the breed;s history?

This sounds like it should be its own thread, I'd love to see what dogs other people pick, as well! It's hard getting info on dogs like that when you're stuck in the US. ;)

Really, somebody should open a thread like this - this could be a nice possibility to discuss upon various dogs. I can't start this kind of topic - don't have The List yet :)

One can play with the Stat tool to find training achived by dogs, just enter in "Enter expression to find in training:" what you search (you can use "and" and "or" keyword to refine search), for exemple:

sch or cal

ipo

zvv

zvv and ipo

zvv and ipo and zop

Have fun !

if you go on forum and search "my favourite csw"...
guess what comes out?
http://www.wolfdog.org/forum/showthr...ight=favourite
:shock::lol::lol::lol::lol:

Yes, I remember the topic, but it is different when you have to "fill in" the nominations :roll:

Lupis seems so be gone :roll:

I´m sure he will come back, Vaiva. He always needs 2 months :mrgreen:

I live in Russia and I have two dogs Crayng Wolf 18 mesyats.U I have a problem with obtaining export pedigree.My were on show dogs Bratislava Edith and give the money to provide the documents in October. May, and we do not have to go to pedigree.My bonotatsion, but do not have a document proishozheniya ...
What?
We have volfdog without proof of origin, buying is not cheap with the hope of the exhibition.
Sorry for English, writing an interpreter.
Inessa

Inessa, we spoke with hungarian kennel club and they answered, as i told, that they just didn't receive payment for export pedigrees from crying wolf. also they said that if you have no contract... pay these 65 eur from your pocket :rock_3

Inessa,

I have sent you several emails !!! I sent you the export pedigrees in January and came back 3 weeks ago with the sign "non reclame".
I asked Lena to call you...no answer.......
I ask Daiva to make contact with you !!!
Daiva offered me her help, maybe better to send the papers to Litvania . So I sent her the pedigrees this week, she will give them to you at the klubshow. (but I wrote it to you in email as well )

Edit

Morian,

I'm just wondering how you dare to write fauls things in open forum??????!!!!!!
The export pedigrees are ready, both were paid so the hungarian kennelklub surely couldn't tell you what you wrote !!!!!!!!

Edit

Hi Edit,

Yes, I wait :) when I becam this pedigree I send You and Inesa info about this.

The export pedigree was issued on 23.11.2009. Perhaps we haven't received the payment of the owners, because the pedigrees weren't sent to the new owners.

Best regards

Bernadett Zwickl

(mail from hu kennel club)

just because you asked me how do i dare...

The kennelklub made the export pedigrees just if it is paid...so when it is written was issued "23.11.2009' it means it were ready and booked. Moreover not the kennelklub send the pedigrees to new owners , the breeders have to do it!
Anyway: I left the pedigrees in the first envelope than I put them to a new one. So Inessa will see when was it send first (January) and when came back........

Morian,

Send me the original email from my kennelklub to my private email.
I would like to ask them what is it....... but perhaps means they answer without they would check it ??? We have to sing in book when we pick up the papers........

No problem. It's sent to you.

But let me explain the situation. They told that new owners must pay 65 eur/dog. It clearly means that they haven't received your payment.

They did ! Otherwise I couldn't get the exportpedigrees. The methode : we have to send back the original pedigrees, and pay.....and just after we got the export pedigrees and we (breeders) have to send the papers to new owners.
The export pedigrees are on the way to Daiva.......and Inessa will see it was on way to her in Januray and came back in April.
But I will ask them, don't worry!!!!!!!!!!!!

wow!
i have been reading this wolfdog.org forum for a while.. just learning and reading.. and then i stumbled upon this thread.. wow!

i had to sign in, just because i wanted to ask you are you serious?? seriously??

I thought this kind of stuff was only in high school.. but i guess it exist here as well.. i hate to say it but because of this thread i feel embarresed..

I love to read about constructive criticisim.. but this is far from it.. i love to read about breeders comparing their lines and explaining why they bred this particular male with this female..and i love to read about other breeders asking apropiate questions from other breeders, i love to read about people asking for advice and people giving advice by their own experiences, but not sounding like their way is the right way and everything else is ****...

There are parts in this thread that are ok, but mostly it is bickering back and forth!

everyone has their own preference, everyone knows what they like.. but for those who yet dont know what they are looking for... this just turns them off from this breed.. because if people are so ... well what this thread is like (lupis etc..) then they would not wont a breed like this, because this is just ridiculous...

I am welcome to anyone wanting to attack me from this writing, i dont care! i will not stoop down to a level that is this.. i can explain myself, can you explain your own actions?

just like in real life i say "there is no need to attack another, unless it is to protect yourself or an innocent.."

so,please.. do not drive us away who want to learn more! ask appropriate questins and let the other explain.. I love to read apropriate conversations, but when it begins to attack another, then it is just out of order!

please, just stop the bickering! and get on with the constructive convos!!

-thanks-
happy summers, Jessica!

I have also been impressed with little Pollux Crying Wolf - he has bounced back from a pretty traumatic trip from Hungary to Florida, and I really like his personality.
He is snuggly (LOVES to be held in your arms), sweet, serious and kind of a tough guy! He is also really attractive - very "wolfy" - a gorgeous wedge-head, a PERFECT shoulder (I have never seen a better shoulder - it's to die for!), balanced and well-built. Of course he is a pup, so his feet still look like combat boots!
Like his breed calls for, he is not one to make instant friendships. He is selective, though he is INCREDIBLY attached to his person. His focus on her is amazing. I have no doubt he will look very flashy in the ring with his intensity.
In a breed like ours, not every dog bred behaves perfectly all the time. It is not fair to expect them to. They are not a Retriever or a Collie. They were bred for Border Patrol work - that requires a suspicious nature and the intelligence to make decisions to protect what they were designed to protect.
To judge ANY kennel or breeder on one experience with one dog (and how many vlcaks are out there that one could base an opinion on more than just one or two vlcaks at a time anyway?) is not fair. A breeder makes an educated guess on a genetic combination and the early raising of a pup, but after that - it's up to the new owner and we all know that not everyone has the time, knowledge or ability to expose their dog to every situation possible. And let's be fair - some of the situations we expect our dogs to tolerate are barely tolerable by us! A dog show, for example - what a stressful thing! Unnatural, most of the humans are dominant to the dogs, and at least here in the US I find a lot of the dog show visitors are really obnoxious to the dogs - grabbing and hugging them... *I* don't think *I* would be as tolerant as my dogs are if I had strangers taking such liberties with me!
Anyway, just my two cents...