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Tassle 28-09-2011 22:47
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Originally Posted by Blaidd (Bericht 406617)
I cannot see how anyone could believe it is a good thing to be buying a 'breed' and not know what has made it up??Inuits (British and Northern), Utes, British Wolfdogs....(and the things we are not allowed to mention)...are marketed by many as a breed (wrongly IMO)...to be unaware of what has gone in (so many people do not even seem to realise there is Sibe or Mal in there).
It is unfair on the people buying them IMO.



Sound farmiliar?
No? - you know what this breed is made up of - what you cannot know is the exact content of what is in the individual dog. Do you look at Manchester terriers if you are looking into Dobermans and ask how much of them are in the individual dogs? The CSV is a Breed of dog.....

Wither regards to the Inuit/ute x's etc, they are just that - a crossbreed. I cannot see how the 2 are comparable. :?

happyfeet 28-09-2011 22:49
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Originally Posted by Blaidd (Bericht 406617)
I cannot see how anyone could believe it is a good thing to be buying a 'breed' and not know what has made it up??Inuits (British and Northern), Utes, British Wolfdogs....(and the things we are not allowed to mention)...are marketed by many as a breed (wrongly IMO)...to be unaware of what has gone in (so many people do not even seem to realise there is Sibe or Mal in there).
It is unfair on the people buying them IMO.



Sound farmiliar?
Yes, I have read this post somewhere ! on another forum

I think its perhaps alright to find out what is in your crossed mutt but not acceptable to be interested in what makes up your pure wolfdog be it for fun or not!!

Vaiva 29-09-2011 08:22
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Originally Posted by Blaidd (Bericht 406617)
I cannot see how anyone could believe it is a good thing to be buying a 'breed' and not know what has made it up??
In this case it is not a "breed" it IS a breed. If you were buying dogo Argentino, would you like to know exactly what amount of boxer, great dane, pointer or bullterrier blood it contains? :rock_3 For some reason, I doubt.

You see, the problem is that many people want CsW just because they want a WOLF, and this is a really wrong reason. They first of all should want a working breed. Believe me, when you get phonecalls of people, interested in wolfdogs, and you ask WHY they want exactly this kind of dog, and you hear "because my soul is so close to a wolf", then you want to bite off your own head and throw it into a river... This is why people are not clapping hands about the questions about wolfblood - there are much more important questions to ask about this amazing breed first ;-)

Vaiva 29-09-2011 08:24
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Originally Posted by Vaiva (Bericht 406665)
In this case it is not a "breed" it IS a breed. If you were buying dogo Argentino, would you like to know exactly what amount of boxer, great dane, pointer or bullterrier blood it contains? :rock_3 For some reason, I doubt.

You see, the problem is that many people want CsW just because they want a WOLF, and this is a really wrong reason. They first of all should want a working breed. Believe me, when you get phonecalls of people, interested in wolfdogs, and you ask WHY they want exactly this kind of dog, and you hear "because my soul is so close to a wolf", then you want to bite off your own head and throw it into a river... This is why people are not clapping hands about the questions about wolfblood - there are much more important questions to ask about this amazing breed first ;-)
Haha, seems like I just wrote same things as Tassle did before, anyway, worth repeating :D

yukidomari 29-09-2011 08:31
Exactly Vaiva ..I have other breeds and if there was a calculator how much of other breeds went into creating my individual dog, it would certainly be fun but I would take it as seriously and as meaningful as the online quizzes that purport to tell you "who your true love is" and "what nationality are you?"... :lol:

The 'information' you get from such silly online quizzes and calculations of 'blood' - any type - is totally meaningless and only meant for entertainment or for when you are bored. and again no breeder is thinking about these 'results' when making breeding choices... :)

if a person really wants to examine the breed origins, the answers are right there are in the pedigrees. Those are actually helpful in tracing lines, and probable characteristics. :)

Vaiva 29-09-2011 08:37
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Originally Posted by yukidomari (Bericht 406670)
Exactly Vaiva ..I have other breeds and if there was a calculator how much of other breeds went into creating my individual dog, it would certainly be fun but I would take it as seriously and as meaningful as the online quizzes that purport to tell you "who your true love is" and "what nationality are you?"... :lol:
So I can recomend a more interesting test than ones about wolfblood :D Here http://theoatmeal.com/quiz/plotting_eat

Still, when a new person on the forum asks about it, you can never be sure, he is not trying to look for a high content, not for exterior, character and health... :roll:

happyfeet 29-09-2011 10:53
ok, lets put this to bed once and for all!

when I am out with my dogs many people ask what they are and i reply czechoslovakian wolfdogs the obvious next question is usually how come a wolf dog do they have wolf in them, I usually just smile and say yes originally they did but by the time i've explained a bit more they are glazed over and confused. Even my vet asked me if I knew of what % wolf genes would be left now? So I thought I'd ask on here, Ive followed the site a while but thought it was a valid ask!

Wether it be fun or not , I am so disturbed to find why one question is disected so much by 'wanna be ' experts!

From what you are saying, my dog is a german shepherd cross and the wolf part is of no importance?

Perhaps I should have just registered them as german shepherd crosses and then I wouldnt have had such problems bringing my pets with me to the UK.

oh wait I see that some 'member' already advises people to do this giving advise to a student who asked how to bring his dog with him?

Vaiva 29-09-2011 11:09
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Originally Posted by Blaidd (Bericht 406721)
ok, lets put this to bed once and for all!

when I am out with my dogs many people ask what they are and i reply czechoslovakian wolfdogs the obvious next question is usually how come a wolf dog do they have wolf in them, I usually just smile and say yes originally they did but by the time i've explained a bit more they are glazed over and confused. Even my vet asked me if I knew of what % wolf genes would be left now? So I thought I'd ask on here, Ive followed the site a while but thought it was a valid ask!

Wether it be fun or not , I am so disturbed to find why one question is disected so much by 'wanna be ' experts!

From what you are saying, my dog is a german shepherd cross and the wolf part is of no importance?

Perhaps I should have just registered them as german shepherd crosses and then I wouldnt have had such problems bringing my pets with me to the UK.

oh wait I see that some 'member' already advises people to do this giving advise to a student who asked how to bring his dog with him?
Before geting angry you should first try to find an old topic about it - that would make things more clear.
And maybe it is worth looking for certain wolfish features in character and exterior, in health and so on, not the percents, if you can not accept that you have a normal formed dog breed.

Tassle 29-09-2011 11:15
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Originally Posted by Blaidd (Bericht 406721)
ok, lets put this to bed once and for all!

when I am out with my dogs many people ask what they are and i reply czechoslovakian wolfdogs the obvious next question is usually how come a wolf dog do they have wolf in them, I usually just smile and say yes originally they did but by the time i've explained a bit more they are glazed over and confused. Even my vet asked me if I knew of what % wolf genes would be left now? So I thought I'd ask on here, Ive followed the site a while but thought it was a valid ask!

I thought you only had one? Your answer can be the same as you have had on here - it is a breed of Dog. Hmm....bit of an odd question for a vet to ask? You might hope they knew more about genetics!!

Wether it be fun or not , I am so disturbed to find why one question is disected so much by 'wanna be ' experts!

Certainly not a wanna be expert, but I am always interested in furthering my knowledge.

From what you are saying, my dog is a german shepherd cross and the wolf part is of no importance?

I don't think anyone has said that? But if you are going down the route you are, then maybe it might be worth looking what makes up a GSD as well...

Perhaps I should have just registered them as german shepherd crosses and then I wouldnt have had such problems bringing my pets with me to the UK.

oh wait I see that some 'member' already advises people to do this giving advise to a student who asked how to bring his dog with him?
..........

happyfeet 29-09-2011 11:17
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Originally Posted by Vaiva (Bericht 406725)
Before geting angry you should first try to find an old topic about it - that would make things more clear.
And maybe it is worth looking for certain wolfish features in character and exterior, in health and so on, not the percents, if you can not accept that you have a normal formed dog breed.
Perhaps its a language barrier as I see no anger in my last post??
But if it gives you something to bitch about then feel free ;-)

Murph 29-09-2011 11:27
To be fair I thought there was a air of suspicion towards Blaidd for asking a simple question.

pixie 29-09-2011 11:29
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Originally Posted by Blaidd (Bericht 406729)
Perhaps its a language barrier as I see no anger in my last post??
But if it gives you something to bitch about then feel free ;-)
That second line was'nt really helpful or needed

Tassle 29-09-2011 11:31
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Originally Posted by Murph (Bericht 406731)
To be fair I thought there was a air of suspicion towards Blaidd for asking a simple question.
Put it down to once bitten, twice shy......

GalomyOak 29-09-2011 12:22
Lol, if you consider all dogs are a subspecies of wolf, then I own all 100% wolves. :lol: And of course, there are the theories that the GSD also has recent wolf crossings in it's creation. I prefer to fall back on the more complex answer of selection for type when answering outside people's mindless questions. And then I just let my (usually well-behaved) dogs speak for themselves.

happyfeet 29-09-2011 12:25
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Originally Posted by Tassle (Bericht 406737)
Put it down to once bitten, twice shy......


put it down to being purely rude:roll:

all UK owners should not be tarred with the same brush some of us care for our dogs,live with them and dont want them as breeding machines but as family pets and companions

and with 20 years experience of GSD and 10 years owning CsW in and out of the UK I think I have enough experience to form a comment and have an experienced opinion:lol:

Murph 29-09-2011 12:47
GalomyOak...what do you mean by 'outside' people and mindless questions?!

Murph 29-09-2011 12:51
Just how many poor UK owners are there?! Dont the major majority that show a genuine interest in the breed want a companion and a family pet?
I think it is important not to act on prejudgements

Tassle 29-09-2011 13:37
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Originally Posted by Blaidd (Bericht 406751)
put it down to being purely rude:roll:

all UK owners should not be tarred with the same brush some of us care for our dogs,live with them and dont want them as breeding machines but as family pets and companions

and with 20 years experience of GSD and 10 years owning CsW in and out of the UK I think I have enough experience to form a comment and have an experienced opinion:lol:
Good for you - how much experience do you feel is needed to form an opinion then?
Will you only listen to people who have owned the breed longer than you?

Murph 29-09-2011 13:41
why the bitchyness?!

pixie 29-09-2011 13:43
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Originally Posted by Blaidd (Bericht 406751)
put it down to being purely rude:roll:

all UK owners should not be tarred with the same brush some of us care for our dogs,live with them and dont want them as breeding machines but as family pets and companions

and with 20 years experience of GSD and 10 years owning CsW in and out of the UK I think I have enough experience to form a comment and have an experienced opinion:lol:
Hi Blaidd have you seen the thread on british kennel club recognition your views wouild be welcome


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