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After two days of calls back and forward between myself and Andre (yes, those calls your wife mentioned that I, apparently, "would not answer"), we both agreed that the pups should go back to her to be rehomed elsewhere, as it could take up to 3 months before I know how much (if any) of my savings I will get back, and I could not reasonably expect Andre to wait that long. There was no sense in us both being out of pocket over this. This was not the ideal course for anyone involved, as our (Andre's and my) primary concern was always how the pups would take having to travel again - but the fact was that Andre needs to pay her bills too, so *I* chose to return the pups. Some of the people on this site sicken me. You know, Andre said to me last night that she hoped that people on this forum, and the whole unfortunate situation with the pups, would not put me off wolfdogs - and I said that, no, it wouldn't. But I sure as hell won't stick around here for long if pratts like the Winders are going to drag my personal life in to it - and I sure as hell won't be buying wolfdogs again in the uk, as dealing (in some fashion at least) with Mr and Mrs Self-importants imaginary 'club' is relatively unavoidable. I have to say that I wish things could have gone differently between Andre and I, but obviously she has to pay her bills, just like anyone else, and has been very sympathetic and helpful through all of this. The Winders, however, have not even been involved in any of this, and still choose to show everyone how 'clever' they are, and how good their 'club' is at sorting out 'problem owners'. [censured] I really wish I did not have to drag my personal life out in public, but I will not accept someone implying that I was a bad owner - [censured] As for the injuries - I am amazed that the dogs can be vet checked already, given that they only left here at 10:50 pm last night, headed for leicester - so I would be surprised if they are even back with Andre yet, never mind a vet. Also, if they really were vet checked, then I would check the vet's qualifications, as the sore in the dogs mouth is hard to miss, if you actually open his mouth. The lump on the bitches nose was pretty much gone when she left here (though the scratch had still not completely healed), but that is the point of medication! It is supposed to heal! If you are still in doubt, you may wish to ask the 'vet' to download this high-resolution image which shows the scratch and lump quite clearly http://www.aois.co.uk/IMG_2296.JPG , or this one http://www.aois.co.uk/IMG_2295.JPG, which shows a nice profile of the bitches nose (bottom, in the red collar), clearly showing the lump - I have others, if you need them, though sadly none of the dogs lip. Thank you to those people have managed to be polite and helpful on this forum, but I honestly don't know why you bother - it seems obvious to me that the actions of those who want to make you all look like elitist, selfish morons are only going to make you look bad too. -Malgor |
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For those who may be interested, I just got off the phone to Andre, and the puppies are now back with her, having travelled very well. Curiously, she tells me that the pups got back to her at 10am this morning - which really makes me wonder how Paul could think that they were back and already vet checked at 8:50am?
So, please be aware, anyone who deals with Paul or Mandy Winder in future, that they are prone to... how should I put it... bending the truth, to make themselves look important. In my book, there is nothing worse than someone who will use another's tragedy to further their own ends. |
Hi Paul,
I'm curious too. What's happening? Please let us know. Your website seem to have disappeared. Michael |
http://ukwolfdogs.com/17.html?frm_da...a1_type=large#
This is a photo of your homepage, put there on the 6/26/08. In January you gave statements here calling yourself a CSW-breeder. and that was a statement of your wife written on the 12th of March: http://www.wolfdog.org/forum/images/icons/icon5.gif Pacino's Kennel hi i have been reading these posts, we kept three of our pups from last litter two bitchs and one dog, of coarse czechoslovakian wolfdogs are little terrors thats what makes them more fun than normal type dogs, i think a lot of problems are comming from owners, possibly not enough time for pup or pups, my husband spends so many hours with the pups, he even sleeps with them a few nights when they are young, he plays as they like it very ruff,, he will spend time with all the pups playing then after few hours they will calm down, this is when he will spend about 10 minutes with each pup training them, one at a time, pups together are always up to mischief, its there nature, its the fun of owning wolfdogs, if you can not cope inform breeder its there responsability for the welfare of there pups, so Malgor as it is obvious you can not cope with the pups i suggest you return them to breeder before these pups are beyond training, forget about yourself and wanting to own a wolfdog if you think anything about the dogs do them a favour they have a life to live as well as you but they need help quickly, this is why we have only bred 2 litters in 6 yrs, its hard to get the correct type of people for this breed, often people will tell you all you want to hear as they have read up a bit on this breed, but lots of people tell porkies to get a pup.we have owned big dogs, had difficult breeds,,, no these are czechoslovakian wolfdogs and are completely different , and are the best breed of dog we have ever owned, mother nature herself with a bit of dog in there,,,,,, please contact us at [email protected] we will give you help and advice but you must at all times be completely honest with any questions we ask , my husband is due home on friday please contact him, regards mrs m winder http://www.wolfdog.org/forum/images/...er_offline.gif http://www.wolfdog.org/forum/images/buttons/report.gif http://www.wolfdog.org/forum/images/buttons/quote.gif http://www.wolfdog.org/forum/images/...iquote_off.gif http://www.wolfdog.org/forum/images/...quickreply.gif Somehow your answer doesn´t fit your former statements and your homepage that can be found as a link under wolfhybrids. Ina |
Mr. Winder looking at your own homepage you obviously bred hybrids, no matter where you sold them. And you yourself put the pictures under the title "our last litter" on your own homepage.
And the fact that the nice German guy now did remove all photos he got on his homepage doesn´t change the facts he himself showed before you managed to contact him. We have downloads from everything. So even if it took you four visits here and several days for a strange answer I don´t believe you, no matter how impolite your answers are. You did a very bad job Mr. Winder. Ina |
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Do you really think anybody here is stupid enough to believe that anybody is keeping and breeding Hybrids because of the CSW health problems? - Apart from you of course:roll:. Ina |
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"i breed wolfdogs of whatever percentage" Your your credibility is just about zero.. Am looking forward to seeing just what you put up on your website Friday.. or will you come up with some other accuse ? bengan |
Czw is having problems as any other breed, exactly for CzW be a new breed we not know all illness that can appear and are tipical, it's a question of time for this problems start to appear, principally when we have some uninformed so called breeders that make completly nonsense inbreedings.
A well informed person will minimally study the breed standard for be able to recognize a untipical CzW, a good breeder will know what line are safe and pure to work and what maybe isn't pure... But we ever will find uninformed people that want a dog for impulse, as comercial breeders that wants try making money solding puppies, these really are people on risky line to take hybrids and mix as CzW because are unable to recognize a tipical dog, as not have knowledge about the lines. Quote:
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Anthony, as Paula already said, these "producer" always argue for health-problems :evil:
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:lol: oh please forgive me
mea culpa mea optima culpa, tomoorow I call to me friend zoo and make me personel wolf x CSW linie. And be like great breeder from UK, who not very know who he see in hes and others dogs pedigree. thanks for lession about breeding :) and thanks for compliment ,and me very like me red hair :rock_3 |
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Wolfin, did you pay him for advertising your kennel? This is not very fair :twisted: |
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I do understand that showing dogs in countries (such as my own) where judges haven't even heard of the breed, let alone know how to judge one is for fun (and hopefully to give a judge a new experience, and educate spectators), and really not of any value. I also understand that in some countries (such as my own) bonitations are currently not practical. But, I think to have dogs with exteriors that meet the standard is important, since many of these features served a big purpose in the breed as a working breed. Obviously, the exterior of the dog is not the only important factor to consider by any means. I am curious - what are your criteria for breeding a dog? In what instances would you refrain from breeding a dog? Take good care, Marcy |
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