exam-/show-results
 

Hi admin,

Thanks for uploading the show results and correcting them(after I made a post about it here in public, which was deleted shortly after), but as I already have wrote to you(many times), both of my dogs also have some Exam/training-results I would like you to upload :

Uno z Molu Es - ZOP
Xtreme z Molu Es - ZOP

I send this results long time before the show results and I have reminded you about it every time I have send you new show results, but still you forget it ...do I need to make a post here everytime I need you to upload some new results ? or is this punishment for not agree with all of your opinions ? :lol:

I`m sorry I have to write it her, but you don`t answer or upload the results when I write email for you.

Rolf

As always - pure CONSPIRACY THEORY basing only on you own numerous suspicions... It starts to be boring...


No, I was informed that it was already explained to you several times by Margo (when she was Admin) how it exactly works. So I considered your emails as spam.

Anyway ONE AGAIN:

On this page you see exactly when there was the last update of the database:
http://www.wolfdog.org/eng/dbase/

Last dbase update: 09-08-2009 00:28 CET

Once MORE:
09-08-2009

Simply said - there was no update since almost two monts so your results are not visible. So another X-files case has been solved.... 8)

I see your imagination is pretty good, if you memory were just half as good, you would be pretty well going ;-)

I am aware that you don`t update results every day, but the exam-results were send to you before the show-results, so if you start uploading from one end, the exam-results should been uploaded a long time ago(defently before the show-results).
...If you really did see my emails as spam, then it is quit strange that you changed the faults you made when uploading my show-results, the very same day as I wrote that you made some mistakes :ehmmm on top of that, I also reminded you at that occation, that you forgot the exam-results, which is still not updated :roll:

Show-results are uploaded much later than that date and you even had time to correct your faults ....but no time to upload the exam-results :roll:

Anyway ONCE AGAIN :

Last time I made a post here about the missing show-results, they were uploaded the very next day, the reason I made that post was because I could see other show-results were uploaded even that they were from a much later date ....apparently it did work :lol:

Maybe if you get treatment for your paranoia about conspiracy theories and disillusions about X-files, things could be taken for what they really are and not just some crazy persons fantasy ?

Rolf(at least I sign by my name)

yes Rolf, You have a problem :) this is realy CONSPIRACY THEORY
and my dogs not have written exams in data basa, not have others results, but ... I not make for one exam one new thema and not cry - "admins not looove my"
from alls WD members only a little group all time have a problems with alls :) maybe this is not WD admins problems, but Yourselfs?

You aren`t even worth answering.....

Unfortunately I must agree with you. I think there are two explanation:

a/ it is not about the dogs - some people just need to be on top; to be more "visible" as the others

b/ or the type of behaviour by the puppy owners is inheritated from the breeeder (I think it is good case for elf to check relationships :rock_3) - since I'm in the position of Wolfdog.org admin I received only (not very kind) complains from the "z Molu Es" breeder and two puppy owners. And the topics started here are the best example...

Anyway slowly I get used to this...

There are different people who can add the results. Margo is adding
"their" Polish results, Mijke from Belgium and Netherlands. I'm adding the rest.
No wonder some results appear in the different time... Depends who have time to add it...

So I see I made a mistake and (taken from dog trainign) I rewarded unwanted behaviour... :rock_3

Anyway I would like you to REMEMBER ONE THING: I do not hate anybody... so far ;) All Wolfdog.org user are treated on the same way. I do not add results of my friends faster than results of my enemies. When I do something I do it for all. It apply also to you. So please take of the notice you sticked next to your computer saying "Wolfdog.org Admin hates me"... 8)

But at the same time do not expect that you will be treated like a VIP here and your results will be added faster than the results of other owners only because you are "screaming" here so loud... :?

More CONSPIRACY THEORY`S.... once again with the risk for being accused for attacking owners/breeders/admins/or what ever :roll:

I guess the Italian breeders/owners must have some kind of special agreement with FCI since this dog from 2002 can enter youthclass in 2009 ?

http://www.wolfdog.org/dbase/d/4229
http://www.wolfdog.org/dbase/d/3446

....and Danish owners must also have special agreement with FCI, as I lately noticed that my own dog got BOG2 in a clubshow ?

http://www.wolfdog.org/eng/shows/3448.html

I guess if I look more closely, I could probertly find even more CONSPIRACY THEORY`S ???
....waiting patiently for someone to feel offended/attacked/violated by my evil posts :twisted:

9 September 2009:
Take no offence, I'm asking out of pure curiosity: have you learnt what the admin's name is or have you changed your mind? Besides, I really don't understand why you posts are so aggressive/defensive. You surely could indicate the errors in more friendly manner?

We all know that wd database is not perfect, there are errors, backlogs, etc. but it's really huge "organism", hard to manage by people who cannot devote to it's updating, modernisation and correspondence with forum members more time than they are able to without ruining their professional and private lives. However, there has been no better database so far, which many CSV owners/breeders appereciate, even if sometimes they do find mistakes and have to wait long for updates.

Rolf, tell us please, why do you imply bad intensions and 'try to organize the lives' of people who have done a lot for the CSV community, much more than you had. Why do you behave like a little boy who wants his toy here and now and bursts if he doesn't get it immediately! Why are you still here if you don't like wolfdog.org? Don't get angry with me since I'm neither your, nor anybody's enemy. I'm simply trying to figure out if your hostile attitdue is "political" or rather connected with your personal characteristics?

If wolfdog community consisted of 50, well, even 80 people one could write about the admins' bad manners if they didn't answer somebody's mails or posts. But how can anybody reasonable apply this rule if there are over 2500 registered forum members? Don't you realise that the 'key-people' need to sleep, eat, EARN THEIR LIVING(!)? Don't you realize, that on the other side of the screen there are no machines but human beings, who may NOT WANT to answer to some requests? You may not like it, but can do nothing about it, can you? The owners are not clerks on salaries paid out of our taxes, whose duty is to serve us according to a set of regulations - it's them who set and change the rules (or don't set them ;-))! What's more, they have the right to sell wolfdog.org to whoever they want or press the "shut system" button any time. That's the main principle of private ownership... :lol:

If somebody finds wolfdog.org too slow, badly managed or "unjust" there are always alternative options- Rolf, CSV clubs or anyone can build a better FREE CSV database - with fewer errors, faster updates, express answer system, clearer rule system, more "objective" forum, more language versions, etc. etc. I'm sure everybody will appreciate it and most people would probably abandon wolfdog.org and, if really better, switch to the new site.8)

Everybody can also, as Marcy suggested, make his/her own "small" site and keep it fully updated. There is no problem to put a link to it on wolfdog.org8)

1. exist 2 Giuditta Passo del Lupo :
http://www.wolfdog.org/dbase/d/4229 -1 girl
http://www.wolfdog.org/dbase/d/11469 -2 girl

and I think all italian people know who 1 or 2 Giuditta are in this dog show.

2. " KHKG clubdogshow - Strib
(Club dog show - Denmark)
Judge: Lidija Oklescen (SLO) Show date: 18/10/2009
Show results: Posted by: rolf"

hmm but this info about dog show send person with name Rolf? He make mistake in results? In this case who You have problem if You self send this info?

:rofl3 :roflmao :rofl3 :roflmao :rofl3 :roflmao :rofl3 :roflmao :rofl3 :roflmao

I guess some people feels easily offended/attacked/violated ???

...just funny that it is always the same few people, maybe "Elf`s tool" can see if they are related :twisted:

eh poore Rolf :) :twisted:

Yes, it's SO funny!. I hardly can sit on my chair I laugh so heartily.
But in fact I can't see anybody bahaving like an offended person, but surely I CAN see impropriety of your way of expressing yourself here.

Yes, it's very funny... I mean your discussion style.:lol::lol::lol: Really humorous :lol:
Still, you haven't answered my plain question:
Why should you expect anybody to answer your questions if you do not bother to answer theirs?:rock_3

To make things clear: I know Margo personally though she is not a close friend of mine. I see her once a year or even less often, though we chat sometimes on skype, mainly about Lorelei. I've bought a pup from her kennel because I like her dogs, consider her to be a good breeder and honest, friendly person whom I trust. 8)
I may assure you Margo does not pay me for expressing my opinions on this forum, nor tells me what I should write :lol: I'm old and wise enough to be able to assess and respect the incredible effort and amount work she and Przemek with the help of some people have been putting in establishing, updating and upgrading of this site even if it's not perfect.
It makes me just very sad that some people undermine these efforts due to envy, politics and inablity to look at things from other perspectives than their own narrow interests and ambitions.

Rolf, it's much easier to criticize, mock and laugh than to build and service a system like wolfdog.org or even work out statistical tool, as Anthony did 8)

Anyway - I leave it here - I've learnt what I wanted to 8) Thanks for the discussion - I don't feel offended/attacked/violated, just disappointed. :(

Give me just one good reason, you already think to know more about me than I do my selv :roll:

If you really did`nt feel offended/attacked/violated, then what makes you so disappointed that you always feel this strong urge to write such imaginative things about me ? :roll:

Always same shit from same "family" :twisted:

Rolf, don't worry these 2 behave the same on polish part of WD. We are missing some members of this clan, but I think after my post they will come :-> Tireless defenders of admins pride and honour. They don't care if they sound pathetic - if you don't like something in how wd is working/not working, you are the enemy. Even when they say that they don't want to offend you- yet they do everything to upset you. But of course not in face-to-face manner but from behind sweet, innocent words.

ps.

Em, what efforts? One mysterious admin after how long time when nothing happened?

I have to admit: on polish part of wd results are added very quick and so are pictures. Change is amazing.

Because I've been reading what you wrote and I'm more intelligent than you are? :?:lol::lol: One can put it the other way round: why do you write here if you don't want your way of reasoning be assessed and confronted with other people's opinions? 8)

I feel disappointed with your poor discussion style, and the low quality of your arguments, that's all. Besides, you might have not noticed (problems with reading comprehension? ;-)), but some of my comments were not directly addressed to you. They were more general reflections upon wolfodg.org site. I don't expect everybody to share my views but we might talk about them - they are no reason for insult 8)

Oh no, CONSPIRACY THEORY again! This is a real obsession! :twisted:

But shame on you Rolf - you used a very deplorable expression :cry: Now you've offended me and I put you on my "ignore" list together with solowolf and btd - same style, same level...:cry:

But its you and admins that use and abuse term 'conspiracy theory'. So who has obsession?

And the rest of the post - exactly like I wrote:"Even when they say that they don't want to offend you- yet they do everything to upset you. But of course not in face-to-face manner but from behind sweet, innocent words."

btd, I would`nt be surprised if it is so...

Rona,

I refuse to go down on your level, if you can`t write like an adult, I`ll be more than happy for you to ignore me:)

In Denmark we have a saying who fits your comments very good :
One should sweep in front of your own door, before sweeping in front of others. ...meaning : who the hell are you to write about my way of discussion, when your self are wirting like a little child who just got her candy stolen !

We have another saying for this : If you have nothing reasonable/sensible to say, it is better to say nothing at all ;-)

Wohoo :-)

I was using ignore list for some time, but then I got wiser - knowledge is far more important than silly and childish prejudices.

Well Rolf, by this think lets say that maybe the admin also have some problems with brazilian breeders too, Jezebeth z Peronówki already got some CACPAB for make the panamerican championat, and it never appeared in the data base, lets say that panamerican championat is only less important to us than international one.
I don't know still if its something against us or against kennel z peronowki, I still wonder about.
I also remembered here the case about italian breeders and stud dog list, I own Héro Oskár dór and he is C in our results, have some C dogs in others-country-stud-dog-list, but Oskar never appeared as the only stud dog we have here, so, maybe I could let it as confirmation that Admin really hates Banana's country. :lol:
Don't think that problems in database is only with you, as we all know the database is still old and a new version is comming, remembering that the admin or the admins' have their own life as well remembered by Rona, so, we need have patience.

what makes you come to this conclusion ?

I only pointed out that there were some mistakes in the database, not only by my dogs(please read the post again), but when I have done this in earlier cases, I get accused for attacking owners/breeders(usually by the same few people), so I made a joke, claiming to have found new conspiracy theory`s(obviously this was not the case, but apparently a hot issue for some people) and as predicted these few people were feeling offended/attacked/violated in such a manner that they were feeling an urge to start defending the honour and/or pride(or what ever) of admins(or who ever) and started on their usually imaginary predictions about me.

Shame on me, I think it is funny :)

I dont arrived at any conclusion, but some people think that its personal against their dog, their breeding or himself when in truth I'm pretty sure its nothing more than tecnical problems with overwork.

I am aware of such people who think everything is an offence/attack/violation on them(friends or "family"), but in fact I think, that it is kind of me, to help the admins pointing out what ever faults might be in the database, so they can correct it.
....but apparently some people either don`t appreciate this or are to narrow minded to see that the world is`nt as evil as they might think ?

Rolf world is bad. Especially if you like no other sentence. Conspiracy Theory is a very popular tool. On the Polish forum appears to be still. Especially as someone has a different opinion. The attacks also come always from the same page.
Family always has to stick together. Are you against one, you have the whole family on his head.
It reminds me that on our atmosphere.
Well, the rest is relative.

I think it is not about WHAT you are doing but HOW you are doing it... Don't you think there must be something wrong with your way of speaking with Admin? I know that there are more than hundred people sending corrections and information to the administration email. And I think it didn't changed since I was the administrator. And the only "black sheep" is you... Nobody complains about Admin, nobody attack him. Hundred people have no problem with Admin, and admin have no problem with 100 people... :rock_3
Think about it. Expecially that you must do a lot wrong things to be black listed by Rona - Rona who is our forum negotiator and (almost) never get angry... 8)

wilczakrew, I`m sorry, but I really like Danish(maybe some are international) sayings...
"Everything are only what you make of it" ....I choose to think that the world is not so bad, but ofcourse there is a few rotten apples here and there.
Anyway thanks for pointing out that the bad behaviour of some people is not only on the English forum, but a general behaviour for some people.

Where in my post do you see ANYTHING adressed to Admin ?
....and if you do somehow see my post as adressed to Admin, why are Admin the only one who don`t answer, only friends/"family" is feeling an urge to defend ehh.... something ???

So the conclusion of this is : if you do not complain about Admin, Admin will have no problem with you, but if you do, you will have a problem with Admin(and friends/"family"). :lol:

Where am I writing any complains ? and what makes you think of this as an attack ? ...I would`nt brag about Admin ONLY have no problem with 100 people, when there are more than 2500 registered members on wd.org(according to Rona). 8)

It is nice to see that your "family" can watch eachothers back, because you probertly would`nt stand a chance by your selves.
I really don`t give a shit about Rona or if anybody else from your "family" will blacklist me, it only say a lot about your abilities to interact/communicate with other people ...and it is not positiv, in case you did`nt realize it !

But thanks for giving me another laugh, by exposing your self as one more "familymember" who is easily feeling offended/attacked/violated for nothing ? :lol:

At last there is someone who will uncover all kind of cheating... even if some people makes it angry...:rock_3

(Dear forums members - I owe you an explanation: the reason for this post in the case of polish pseudo-bonitation in Osieczna: a privat bonitation done by people who were too affraid(?) to present their dogs on a official bonitation (of course not all - there were also "normal" CzW owners who had NO IDEA that it is not a normal official Czech bonitation done according the valid regulations).
They organizator invited a judge from Czech Republic, but there was no bonitation committee, bonitation cards (codes) are hidden, the written codes are wrong (their are either Czech nor Slovakian) and most dogs were evaluated much better as they are in the reality (many serious faults were hidden). The results of this pseudo-bonitation has been put INTO THE PEDIGREES!
Now some breeders are already cheating the puppy buyers saying their dogs PASSED THE MOST IMPORTANT TEST FOR WOLFDOGS - BONITATION (WITH THE EXCELLENT NOTE). Passed something what can not be described as REAL bonitation...

Any critics about this pseudo-bonitation are called "attack on people who have different opinion"..... ;)

Hmmm....maybe it is right...:rock_3 Anybody who knows the regulations and the way of judging bonitations will have DIFFERENT OPINION than the organizers of the bonitation in Osieczna. And every CzW owner who cares for honesty will be against it...


I would describe it on a different way: "similar personalities keep together". :rock_3 People who have the same values, style and simply said "understand each other"... You keep with btd, rolf, aso.... I would be happy if you will put me in one bag with Rona, Nebulosa, Grins or wolfin... :rock_3 Because I agree with the - not because I MUST but because I think the same... :p

Rolf in Denmark you have a completely different mentality.
Poles are far behind.

The world is beautiful if you want to see the beauty.
Our dogs have a life too short to waste it on such discussions as it was presented by Rona.
On the conspiracy theories, rotten apples, etc.

Rolf, I hope only that you do not understand WHAT your are writing and what STYLE your posts have...
If you know... than I must agree with Admin and Rona....

I preffer more civilized way of disscusion. So *PLONK* also from me...

Margo, your constant paranoia and illusive imagination is getting pretty borring !!!
...I DON`T know btd or wilczakrew and they DON`t know me, so please don`t compare us with your friends/"family".

Yes! We plough fields with horses. We keep wolfdogs in pigsties. We have electricity only in our capital. And in the winter we go dressed in furs... :rofl3

Any maybe in 100 years we discover something more than lex talionis.... ;)

Margo is already beginning to be distasteful.
Were not you the Bonitation. Did you see the original papers bonitacyjnych. You have no idea what you're saying.
In this way, do not get anything.

I wonder one thing. Why are they here the same person. Why are they Polish or related to it.
Why suffer the same words.

For me it's not impressed.

I`m sorry but I just have to use this saying again :
"one should sweep in front of your own door, before sweeping infront of others" :roll: .....this is really getting borring !

I think Rolf knows exactly what he´s writing. So *PLONK* from me too ...

Just a few jokes from the "comedy-family" :lol:

Angelika - did`nt even join the disscusion, but feeling so offenced/attacked/violated on behalf on her friends/"family" that she also prefer a more civilized way of disscusion and see no other option than to ignore me ....that pretty much leaves out any way of disscusion(civilized or not) :stupid

Margo - when friends/"family" speak about CONSPIRACY THEORY it is okey, when Margo her self speak shit about a whole club or telling lies, it is okey, but if anybody else are doing this, she preffer a more civilized way of disscusion ....very civilized :lol:

Rona - ask me : "why do you write here if you don't want your way of reasoning be assessed and confronted with other people's opinions?" and in same post "Now you've offended me and I put you on my "ignore" list" :stupid

How can anybody take these persons seriously ???

....at least by this action, they seems to follow the saying "if you have nothing reasonable/sensible to say it is better to say nothing at all" 8)

Well Rolf,

I also, like Angelika, don´t belong to this "family" but feel pretty fed up with the way you write. Till now the English forum was the one where it was possible to discuss and communicate in a normal way, maybe you should change to the German one, you will feel very much at home there?

If almost everybody doesn´t agree with you it could be possible that you simply are the one who is wrong. Just to mention an idea that may be worth to think about.

And by the way I wrote to the Admin twice and got two answers but it took some time. I don´t fully agree with the second one but till now it seems to me that it will be possible to discuss it in a normal manner and find an agreement.
If not I can think about going to somewhere else (like I almost don´t use the German Forum anymore because of the two moderators) because I know that this is a private site what means that how it is been managed belongs to the owners alone. You can complain but you can´t always expect them to follow. If you can´t live with that fact you should think about building up something of your own where you can rule as you like. To keep on complaining (about not really important things by the way) for days and insulting everybody who doesn´t share your point of view seems to be a bit strange for an adult person to me.

Ina

Well not everybody have to like everybody else or they way they write, that`s mainly why some people write more nicely to some people than to others.

Maybe I should change because you don`t like the way I`m writing ???

I don`t know how you count, but for me 4-5 people or so is definitely not everybody ...WD.org have more than 2500 members !

Ofcourse you can go where ever you like ...just like I can !

Well I`m not the one who are putting anybody on the "ignore list", so maybe it is not me who can`t live with that fact ...did you think about that ?

What is importent and what is not is pretty objective and ofcourse everybody don`t have to agree, as I wrote before and you will see(if you read the post) some people answer more nicely to some people and not to others, does`nt matter if they agree or not ...for an example, I think I have not insulted you or nebulosa, even that you maybe don`t agree, so in my opinion everybody is really not a fitting word to use in this case.
It is not always what some people write, but how they write it and that`s what makes us all different ....thank god for that !
I find a lot of things strange for adult persons to say or write, just like I have mentioned in earlier posts.