Welcoming a new Vlcak into the United States!
 

So my girlfriend and I are waiting with baited breath for her new pup to arrive. He will be landing here about 7:30 pm tomorrow.
I can't wait to see him and I can't wait to see what he teaches my girlfriend!
Vlcaks are quite a bit different than any other breed I have worked with, and I am sure he will surprise her. She is looking forward to doing performance and conformation - she wants to get out there with a cool, kick-butt vlcak.
They are such a striking breed, I am sure more than a few heads will turn...

Great! And what is the name of the little one? :) Any photos?

Don't know what she is going to call him... at this time we are both very upset with the shipping company and Delta. He was pulled from his flight and is staying ANOTHER night in a kennel in NY. Now even *I* am worried about the trauma! THREE DAYS in transit! And they would've done another stupid move had I not called and ripped on them to get the first flight available, rather than the same late-day flight as he was scheduled on for today... a flight that was delayed, and even if it hadn't been, there were no customs officers available anyway!
GRRRRRR!!!!!!

That's unfortunate. But a good reminder that under optimal circumstances people should go to pick up the puppy in person, scope out the kennel, and meet the parents & breeders. I'm frankly surprised that the breeders were OK with sending a puppy unaccompanied on a non-direct flight, or that it couldn't be arranged to meet the puppy at an alternative airport if no such flight existed, really. Though, I'm assuming you already know this, if I also assume correctly you've imported dogs before since you mentioned your affinity for training European bred dogs.

Hopefully it won't be too bad. Poor pup.. at least, though, your friend will have a few days of quiet.. pup's probably going to be understandably tired for a few days. :) Just a few more hours!

I see it the same way. I myself went to Canada from germany 3 years ago and picked up my wolfdog there personally! The flights are cheap from the US to germany, czech or where ever in europe.

From which kennel is the pup?

All the best for the pup and the new owner, hope she will not loose her nervers to early. Sometimes it seems so that she is not good prepared for a csw....

Christian

After several phonecall I got the news: little Puck is ok, he is in Vetport JFK.
Delta made big fault, they didn't make pre-custom yesterday,and they realized custom problems just before they would put the pup to the flight.
He must be arrive to FL today.
What is incredible: nobody was informed what is the problem !!!! I made phonecalls more that two hours to make clear what happened!
Even the cargo company I used were not informed, Delta put sign to theire system that there were problem with the pup that's why bought him back from the flight yesterday, but the vet in Vetport told me the pup is ok, and they did let him to fly yesterday but Delta bought him back to the animal transit because of custom promblems! INCREDIBLE!!!!!!!!!

Edit

No, not at all... It’s the USA what did you expect, that it would work just fine :shock: it’s irresponsible to send puppy as cargo on a non direct flight !!!

If something goes wrong, there is noting you can do !!!

way did not the new owner pick the puppy up at NYC airport !!! ???

I went to USA this year and I can tell you that NO domestic flight did go on time there was + 4 h one time and + 1 h another time and I had to pay 150 Euro extra to even get the bag one the plane, from Dulles to NYC :shock:

To not talk about the costume and home land security :badbad

Best regards / Mikael

From which litter did she gets the puppy, Edit?

"Puck" Crying Wolf is out of

Juri Zlata Palz (sire) and Crying Wolf Yolka.

http://www.wolfdog.org/dbase/d/7930

http://www.cryingwolf.hu/?command=main

Opps, just realized you were talking to "Edit".. I didn't realize that was the breeder's name.. I thought it was 'edit' post leftover..

thanks to philli

I have been shipping and importing dogs from Europe for the last 15 years and this is the first time I have had such a HUGE problem. Delta has 3 different excuses from 3 different places - I have called cargo in JFK and in Fort Lauderdale as well as thie "main" number to talk to a supervisor in their hub office.
I was told completely false info like "no one is there in cargo/customs - they went home early" - Seriously? They are there 24/7! They should not have pulled him from his connecting flight from JFK to FLL, but they did, kept him overnight. I was able to reschedule an early flight the next day (why he was not on an early flight to begin with is beyond me) but then the kennel didn't get him to the airport in time. So they rescheduled the original late flight and worse - THEY NEVER CONTACTED US. The only phone call we got was from JFK cargo HOURS after he should have been in the air to tell us they pulled him - for apparently no good reason.
Then they told us WE had to clear him through customs ourselves (Delta was supposed to do that) and never informed us of the "import fee" (which is usually included in the shipping when you use a service, which we did.
So the whole afternoon was spent clearing the papers and the pup is still on the plane - he will be landing around 7:30 pm...
So I feel awful for the pup. THREE DAYS in transit is UNACCEPTABLE. Delta will certainly be hearing from us. I wasn't worried about his "trauma" from the experience previously, but THREE DAYS? He probably has diarhhea from stress and food/water changes, I hope he bounces back quickly - I will keep you all posted.
Just be CAREFUL using Delta and you really have to be on top of them with connections, etc.
We are really excited to meet him, though - will let you know...

HE IS HERE! So after all the problems with Delta, he finally landed and we picked him up. He was quiet in his crate (which smelled like a toilet), but came to the front to see us, and we opened the door and he came out calm and curious. Blessedly, he was not shell-shocked, no nervousness or fear. My girlfriend immediately scooped him up to take him outside to pee. He had no issues being held by a "stranger" and immediately took to the leach and collar she put on him to walk him. He wa calm for about a minute. As soon as we started walking across the parking lot (there were several low-flying planes so loud they frightened me, but he pad no attention at all) he started bouncing around, grabbing the leash in his mouth, then going after our legs, pants and butts - taking full-mouthed grips and even giving a few kill-shakes to my girlfriend's pants! He is a LOT of puppy! Big, too - she was totally surprised (as was I) this boy has been in transit THREE DAYS and he comes out bouncing and biting! She has more than she bargained for... in fact she said "I always thought Malinois were German Shepherds on crack - now I think Vlcaks are MALINOIS on crack!" Even high-sport Mal puppies would not have behaved like this pup!
So she is relieved he is not "ruined" and that he is such a handful. He will test her and we predict some shredded clothes...
He is also a big boy for 9 weeks - he will be a big adult I think. His white wolf mask is appearing and his head is lovely. Everything seems to be well put together... he doesn't even mind being held like a baby...
Will keep y'all updated on FL Vlcak #2!

Sounds like he is in true crying wolf csw! It seems that he got all from his mother line. My female csw Myla Crying Wolf is the grand aunt from Pucky. Flash, the grandma is half sister to her. And the mother from Flashi and Myla was crazy Mona. Very nice to people.But she was a real working dog. IPO I, 100 km, foto shooting for marketing, hyperactiv and a happy one.

Grand pa Izzy was a hard one too. But all real characters!

Yolka I do not know. But for you good choice. Nothing easy, but you will grow on your task. Edits pups have often not always kind of wolfy behaviour...

Keep the fingers cross that your friend won´t loose her nerves.

Christian

I read you look for dog for work. And now I see you import Crying Wolf. It is joke? I also interested in work with CLC and after many years contact with different dogs is say i see no less working dog like this kennel. All people say Crying wolfs arew like real wolves. Shy like wolves with no genetic pool for work.
I see you really have no experience what is dog for work. Better read more forum and themes about character.

Stop this nonsense! All wolfdog has at minimum one working dog in pedigree. One dog in very old generation not make wolfdog to call WORKING LINE.

Lupis, I remember you are the one making trouble here. I do not know if you have a csw? Did you know Mona? I do not think so, I remember you are one of these person who are talking "clever" because they did hear something from other people who know nothing, it is called "gossip" what you(!) are talking about.

And I did not write anything about working line but I wrote that Mona did IPO I and so on. And I know that my Myla could easyly do IPO but I am personally not a friend of this.

Shy dogs? Of course not in this line. Intelligent dogs, more than ohter csw? Yes of course!

And Grandma from fahters side - Falin - is one of the best mantrailer in germany. She was in tv with fascinating work!

Izzy, father of Yolka, is a strong character too. He is not a bone shy! Did you know him? I think no. I know him and his owner Sonja, the best speciality jduge of the breed personally. He is so strong in character that even Sonja needed some time to get him in good control. Nothing about shy genes!

And Carr Maly Bysterec is one of these nice csw too, even not a shy bone.

So please stop talking bullshit!

Christian

I see many Crying wolf in Italy. Like only one with normal character. All other are very much shy. I hear Yam is also shy. I read english forum and other say same: Crying wolf is sometimes nice but never you can write is working line. You make me laught,
Mona in in old generations - you not talk bullshit but read about genetic.
You have exams? Basic minimum. What exam has father and mother of puppy. Grandparents? not one.
You cheat if you say working line is line with bad character and no exams.

I read you post and i see you have wolfdog but no idea about work with CLC and character. But you say working line about dogs of your frends. Also about not working dogs with bad character,

if i am wrong - write here ONE dogs from 2 generations from this line with one exam.... you not find because nobody buy a Crying wolf for work. Nobody is stupid.

N do not make trouble in forum. But i angry to read such lies.

I right - I check again database and find mother. Everybody can see bonitation:
http://www.wolfdog.org/php/modules.php?op=modload&name=WolfdogDB&newlang=eng& file=bonitation&wid=7930
She is shy like her brother.

Maybe you like shy dogs for work and showing in TV. But for real work you need normal character.

Lupi did you ever saw a bonitation? I am sorry, you even did not write which csw do you have in "about me". But you write that you are a beginner. And please if you have many years experience and if you have been in all countries for summercamps, shows and bonitations, than you can are invitedt to write like you have knowledge. But you even do not know the dogs you are writing about.

I know nothing about your knowledge about dogs or wolfdogs. I know only that you are reading, writing and talking a lot about things you are a beginner in! So keep a bit shy, it would be better.

I have 4 wolfdogs. I invite you to have a look on my homepage.

Christian

PS: Dogs must not pass exams so that you can see if they are able to work!

Must not???? You mean they're not allowed to? By whom?! :shock::shock::shock:

Lupis, as for my girlfriend's choice of Crying Wolf, that was HER decision, not mine. I introduced her to the breed, she did some research - including looking at the bonitation of the dam, and decided she liked the sire so much, she was willing to risk sharpness. She is also a long-time working-line Malinois person, so sharpness is something she LIKES. A little "skitziness" or "nervy" behavior is common in Malinois and not something that bothers her.
She wanted a vlcak that would be flashy in competitive obedience and liked to bite. Edgy behavior was not a worry for her. In fact, she sort of feels that such behavior often goes hand in hand with the ultra-sensitivity and reactiveness she likes to see in a flashy dog.
I fully trust her ability to work with just about any temperament, and of course the final decision is hers.
Personally, I much prefer going to the breeder's home and seeing parents for myself. Though I did trust a good friend to select an import GSD for me, sight-unseen. My girlfriend was comfortable with Edit sending her the puppy sight-unseen. Again, her call.
So we'll see how it goes. So far the puppy has greatly surprised her with his resilience to all the stress he's gone through during a serious period in development.
And really, I know a LOT of Malinois breeders - show and working lines. I don't know ANY that have had a "perfect record" when it comes to temperament. There are often fruitloops produced in the breed, regardless of how careful you are. Vlcaks are similar in many ways to Malinois. With Edit's number of litters produced in her many years, no doubt a few fruitloops crop up from time to time. You can't help it breeding the kind of temperament the breed has.
I would bet if you bred a few litters you would see that for yourself. It happens.
So don't get a puppy from Crying Wolf - your choice. Just as it was my friend's choice to do so. I respect your opinion - you have said your piece. Now I would appreciate your respect as well - criticizing a newbie is not really such a good way to welcome them into the breed. Educating them is.

Rona, dogs are different like we people. I like dogs who are able to work but I do not go in dog clubs or places and train them there. It is enough for me to work by myself with them and sometimes a few times a year I go and it is enough for me. I am not a friend of this. I am a friend of taking part in events like the Pro Evolution contest where man and his best friend the wolfdog work!

The society changes in europe (the world) and we do not need dogs who will be trained for biting. A few weeks ago I got to know people who have to Malinois and they are training them, they are taking part at the german champion ship next weekend. But they are not able to lead their dog without this horrible pinch/prong collar.

I know lots of dogs, who are "good" on their training ground in their club but outside it is a complete different world, they do not listen, they behave not normal. Sorry, for me it is important that the dogs are outside in the world good and not on training ground.

I do not like dogs which I pass in summercamp and they try to snap at me. Dogs which are trained. Even from people who are writing here.

There are dogs which it is better not to train. But people train them and then the result is that they try to snap everyone who is passing them.

To see if a dog has working abilities you do not need to pass examines.

It is my opinion. I respect yours.

Christian

I fully understand you. We too, train Lorka only for fun and don't feel like taking any exams. She passes them every day in the streets, buses, at our friends homes, etc. and we find it sufficient.

But you wrote that dogs "must not" take exams! Must not in English means that they are forbidden to take them, so you statement made no sense to me.

I fully agree.

The fact that somebody is training a dog doesn't necessarily mean the dog has been already trained succesffuly:? What's more, vlcaks are not machines, they are able to "think" independently and let me repeat again: I belive the breed has been designed to teach their owners modesty and make them feel humble from time to time. :) Personally, I love this particular trait of them! But since no owner knows what his dog might 'do' one day ;-) I would suggest less critical approach to other vlcaks. :rock_3:lol:

Well, yes and no. It's true one does not need to pass exams to see if the dog has an aptitude for work, but if their breeder claims on-line that he/she is breeding 'working lines' he/she should be able to prove it. Such breeders should select owners who would be willing to train their pups, pass exams with them and only then will the breeder turn credible :|

There are so many 'virtual working dogs', 'virtual big dogs', virtual beautifully moving dogs', 'virtual good characters', etc. etc.! If these statements are not confirmed officially by bonitation codes, passed exams and show results they may just be fancies of "proud parents" or smart PR of business-oriented breeders :rock_3

I'm so happy that after the trouble , little Pollux arrived his new home and his is fine!

About Lupis : as he never sign his comments and always just attacing everybody , of course not his oppinion is authoritative. Especial to see the fact that he has never seen the dogs he is talking about!No worth to deal with his comments more!

Edit

What's done is done; Luna's mom's friend has a new puppy, so let's be happy for her. Whether or not it pans out as a working dog or just a very much loved pet doesn't matter to the dog.

Let's be happy for her friend. Maybe her puppy will be the rare dog out of lines not known for working. :)

Arguments based on if a person has seen, or not seen, specific kennels' dogs are pretty much irrelevant; if the kennel has a record of producing working dogs, there is no need to defend itself.. the evidence speaks for itself.

Agree, and I think this puppy will be a working dog :) even if not from a working dog kennel... But if not, I hope the pressure on him is not to high, if he just likes to be a pet Vlcak :roll: I think one is not to say, this puppy will be the first IPO champion of the Vlcak breed in the USA, even before he is born :(

And just for the record this was Lunas mom´s friends Mrs X choice of kennel, I did newer hear Edit say or write she breed working dogs, I only did say that if I’m looking for a working dog I do not look for a dog from her kennel...

And yes...

Congratulation to your new puppy Mrs X and I’m happy that he is good after the hard trip :)

Best regards / Mikael

Thank you all for your support. I am happy to say the puppy is getting better every day. I visited them yesterday so Luna and Pollux (the only 2 vlcaks in the Deep South!) could play. It's interesting that vlcaks really do recognize their own breed and behave differently.
Poor Pollux had gotten terrible diarrhea from the stress and probably whatever crap he had been fed in transit and it took him a couple of days for his poor tummy to settle down and for his true personality to start coming through. He is snuggling, playing with toys, retrieving and getting used to the crate.
He even got to sleep in bed with his new mom.
So, yes, he is going to be a loved pup and hopefully a super working one...

And last night Pollux came out to our dog club for some socialization. Of course everyone loved him. He is quiet and watches everything intently.
He actually likes being held like a baby and snuggling - so cute...

So watch out, that you do not confirm shyness. If it is only quietness, ok. It is a pup and must have a look at the new situation. But it would be better if he walks around in curiousity. But I guess you know that.

No worries on that score - my girlfriend is an excellent trainer, and is well-known for turning out confident, happy working dogs.
He is curious about things he watches - particularly anything that moves... :)
and is super communicating with other dogs, too.

you have wolfdogs but you have no idea about your breed and what is shyness.
shy reaction by young dogs is normal. also if dog not socialized is shy is normall too. if dog not like someting is also typical wolfdog.
real shy dog is dog when you socialize and work and work but is not better and character still not good.
shy puppy or shy young dog is not problem. i knwo many CLC where were not confident as pups but later very good working dogs. problem is shy puppy and later shy adult dog with not possible to chage it.

Welcome Pollux!! Thanks for the updates, Luna's Mom. Glad to hear that all are adjusting accordingly.

Rona, I have to agree wholeheartedly with your belief that "the CSV breed is designed to teach their owners modesty and make them feel humble from time to time." I also believe that is why many of us love this breed so much!

Whether or not a particular CSV develops into a 'working' dog, it is almost certain that all CSV's will make sure that their owners will be a 'working' owner. :)

Yes, they certainly do teach us humility. They are not like any other breed I have trained. The way they perceive their world, how they learn and their incredible memory.
Pollux is developing beautifully - as is Luna. It is very interesting to watch them as they grow. Pollux is a very serious cookie - very attached to his mom, whereas Luna is a little more independent. I expect that is part of gender differences in character. Luna is my "partner" and Pollux is her "boyfriend"...
I am so thrilled my girlfriend fell in love with the breed, too. Kind of nice to have another vlcak owner to compare notes with...
It seems that we have both experienced similar public reaction to our vlcaks - people are always attracted and ooh and aah over them and are convinced once the general public sees the breed it will become popular...

Bravo! I like this sentence VERY much, because it is sooooo true. :D
Not long ago our trainer half jokingly has said, that having such a dog is a sport in itself, there's no need to do anything else. :D And this is truth also, because in fact we even don't have time for other sports and pastimes apart from those connected with our dog. :D

An update on Pollux - he is getting better and better everyday... unfortunately, due to Delta putting him in a strange kennel for 2 nights during his ordeal, poor pup has kennel cough...
Delta will certainly be hearing from us about that. And their whole "reason" was protecting the U.S. from disease? I guess it didn't work the other way around...

Hi,
any news concerning Pollux?
Is he well again? Is your friend still happy having this pup?
Hoping for the best... ;-)

Pollux is indeed an interesting little boy. Different in many ways than my Luna. He is totally interested in his human - to the extent that he will ignore other dogs/people. He does like other dogs, though, and feels comfortable around them. People he doesn't know he has absolutely no interest in.
Like Luna he is a "force of nature" in the house... my girlfriend mentioned his zooming around the house, grabbing everything including the flip-flop sandal off her foot and running off with it gleefully.
He, of course, is going through the typical puppy vlcak behavior - if something spooks him, he will dart to something he considers familiar. Luna did the same thing at the same age and has since outgrown it.
He is a very serious cookie - not submissive in the least and even a little willful.
She is an excellent dog trainer, though, so he couldn't have gone to a better place. I can't imagine the Average American tolerating his quirks - not to mention his gripping everything in sight.
He swims in the pool, which is adorable to watch as he always swims to his "mom"... his bond with her is strong.
When I have brought Luna over for a play date Pollux gets totally annoyed by her - his facial expressions are hilarious.
I'll keep you posted - it's nice to have another vlcak around. Last Monday we went to a local dog club to train and there was a guy there from the Czech republic who knew exactly what Luna and Pollux were. He said his grandmother lived near the border and growing up he saw the vlcaks and their handlers patrolling all the time. He said they even had a Vlcak head as the design on their uniform epaulets. So it was neat to hear about them from someone who saw them working.
I am so glad I decided to take a risk and join the CsV world...