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Litter advertising
As you know everything on Wolfdog.org is for free. Also litter advertising.
But those pages rely on reciprocal advantages. What does it mean in this case? We expect that all breeders that use this option will send us exact information about their litters later. If someone will not fulfil this condition I'm sorry but we will not advertise his litters in the future (until this breeder will send us outstanding info)... Greetings, Margo |
Free advertisement for Breeders
* Breeders can advertise litters for free
* Breeders are also on the list of breeders of each country for free. * In the database the info about the breeder (adress, tel) will appear with the info about every dog of their kennel. The only thing they have to do for this, is to cooperate and give us the info about their dogs and puppy’s (HD results and pics of their dogs, total info about their litters: date of birth, names of all pups , tattoo/chip nr, owner names, country) and we think this is fair for free worldwide advertisement! How it works: 1. As from this moment we will only add new breeders on the breeders list of all the country’s if they have given us all these information. 2. The info of all the breeders who are already on the lists in the data base will be checked in the coming weeks if it is complete. 3. When the info is not complete, this breeder: * Will be not listened any longer on the breeders list * Will be not able to advertise litters * Their address will not appear any longer in database 4. Every breeder which will send us missing information will appear on the list again and he/she will have the chance to advertise on Wolfdog again. So from now only all the cooperative breeders will get free advertisement on Wolfdog! And we hope that all these cooperative breeders will ask their puppy buyers if they are willing to give their personal info (name, address, e-mail, tel) for wolfdog! These new puppy owners can choose from two options: 1. agree with publication of their address (then their info is only visible for the acces levels:”Verified user” and “Breeder” 2. don't agree to publish their address (then their info is not visible In this case only the names are visible - the rest is hidden and is invisible to all levels. We collect it in the database for special cases but such people will be not disturb by anyone.) |
Missing breeders...
"1) Breeders involved in breeding of mixes will disappear from breeders' listings and their litter advertisements will be removed.
2) There will be also no contact information to the breeder in the database " Many people noticed that there had been missing many breeders from different countries since a while. I think they all have nothing to do with mutara, why had been they taking off? Thanks; -Suski |
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1) The database shows only "active" breeders - breeders which own females with breeding rights. So all breeders which own only males of their females are too young or too old to reproduce has been taken AUTOMATICALLY off. If someone is active breeders and still is not on this list he must contact us so we can check it... 2) All breeders who advertise on Wolfdog.org but do not fulfilled the 'Conditions for publishing litter announcements' has been also removed: 7. As the time goes or at the latest after puppies' pickup you are obliged to send us information about puppies (birtday date, names, registration numbers, tatoo/chip numbers, names of new owners and if it's also possible their contact addresses, phone numbers and emails) to our email address [email protected]. 8. Free-of-charge advertisements base on reciprocal benefits - You get a chance to announce your litter effectively and for free and we receive from you the information about puppies and owners as a "payback". Until you don't fulfill the conditions described in paragraph 7) you will not be able to place more advertisements. Resending of the overdue information to us will result in your future advertisements being published again. I have enough of spending time to get in contact with breeders, asking them for months to send us info about their litters. By some breeders the info from 2005 and 2006 is still missing. They need weeks to answer me but when they cover their females they are quick as lightning with publishing the ads and sending the info... I have enough of spending the time to get in contact with breeders which "forget" to understand english but can speak perfectly when the buyers contact them.... So we decided to stops it - so most of such unhonest breeders has been removed. In the new database we will already care for it - by every not listed breeder the status will be show. We will write there if the breeder is not listed because he didn't sent us the info, because he has not "active" kennel or... because he is breeding mixes... So people which are listed wrongly and removed by accident can speak about it with us... |
"names of new owners and if it's also possible their contact addresses, phone numbers and emails)"
Example in Finland this is illegal. Without new owners permission. Even Finnish kennelclub can't give owners info to ANYBODY. I know it cause we tried get contacts of owners cause planned big meeting. -Suski |
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Anyway we will write more about it in the new Wolfdog.org so everyone can handle according to our rules but also to the offical law.... But usually there is missing info about the dogs.... and it is has nothing to do with Personal Data.... 8) |
That is true.
I forgot. There is always possibility to make DNA test. Our CsV,s in Finland is tested. So is there any idea to put also that info to every dog which have DNA test? There must be DNA tested dogs more than ours. -Suski |
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If someone wants to know something about to breed how can take contact in own country? |
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Anyway there is much more info in the database as the user can see online.... some of the data will be shown when the new database is online.. the rest will be colected but hidden because óf some reasons... Quote:
So active breeder is someone who has registered kennel name and owns a bitch with breeding right. It doesn't matter if the breeder has litters... |
Thanks. When we have that new database?
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As far as I know you are not on the list because as Margo wrote there are only "active" breeders published and according to the database (at least to the old one because new one is not published yet) you do not have a breeding female. Maybe in the new database there are other information but we can't update database now because it does have different structure and first the software has to be ready
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Just came in my mind as i thought (read) what Margo said.
If there is listed only active breeders (breeders who have female in age that could make puppies) is there any idea to think about that list all "true" BREEDERS instead of all owners of female in breeding age? With "true" i mean breeders who have registered breedingname, and had have (Csv) puppies. I think is so, that you are breeder, even you dont have puppies every year, your breeding name is not missing, and your breeding not end, before you say so yourself. Example; If you have a female in age of 4 years, you make puppies with it, then you waite 2 years to see how puppies will be, and maybe buy a new female (puppy) so you must waite at least 2 years to make puppies again, so can take 4 years after somebody have puppies again, and still, it can be very active with breed (in own country) and need possible puppybuyers like other breeders too. Is very difficult for people who is interested about breed to get to know it (as near as possible) if breeders from own country is missing. And as i said before, is no sense to make puppies all the time (even in Finland) cause all puppies need responsible forever loving home. So here we can make puppies maxim. every other year, and still, we try to keep breed alive here as well. We have new dogs (maybe for breeding as well) and we have contacts to other breeders/owners, and we visit them sometimes as well. So, that was my thoughts, wolfdog.org is yours, and you do what you like, i was just thinking. -Suski |
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- to be the owner of two females - to pay 500 (or more) euro to Italian kennel club These "requirements" make a breeder a "TRUE" breeder ? :roll: |
o me good this is reguls for producents not breeders :)
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p.s. in Lithuania we have :
one bitch with breedings licenze (for wolfdog, HD, ED exam with rezults HD A-C, 2 dogs show or bonitation and good age for breeding) Breeder mas pay for LKD (kynology asociacy) ...10 euro and registr hes kennel name, but only name, he is't breeders with mark FCI or LKD. This mark he becam when have 3 litter with hes kennel name (he mas have 2 generation with hes kennel name) or breeding 5 years. |
In Holland there are still more rules.
At first you have to make at least a cours from about one year about healthyness, feeding, kynological terms, illnesses, exterior, genetica and some more things and then you have to do an exam. After that you can asking for a kennelname and pay money to the Kennelclubassociation. 25 year ago I have payed Fl. 150, that is now about Euro 75,-- But I think it will be now about Euro 200, for registration Then there will come somebody to look after where you will keep your dogs. When you have a male and a female, to look if you can seperate them when the female is in heat. If you keep your dogs outside, if the kennel is big enough and not standing in the wind and is dry. When you will have a litter, where you will rise the litter and were puppies will be born and if there is enough light and fresh air. So if we speak about certain rules, we have and not only paying a lot of money, and having a bithto breed with or 2 litters. Maybe therefore the puppies have a higher price then in other countries. Letty from Holland |
Yes in Holland is good reguls :)
in Lithuania i think 80 % breeders isor hendlers in dogs show, or asistent in dogs show, or judge :) or vets :) |
Yes, in Holland is good system. In Finland is similary.
To be a vet or judge in Finland is not easy. How is it by you, Daiva, what needs to be a judge, and how long must study to be a vet? Still, i must say, that it does not matter "who you are" for that how you keep dogs and breed. We have crazy vets in Finland, and crazy judges are breeders as well, those, or any "titles" dont make people better, many other things do. -Suski |
I think that massproduction, inbreeding,
continual puppy making, unsuitable homes for puppies etc. are not mistakes which made only people who are not studying themselves "higher" than many other. I think no one of us is able to say that mistakes in our breed had made because some people are not vets or judges, assistents or something. Even i have to say that almost all my bad experiences is from "those people" Is often like is said; "Shoemakers kids dont have any shoes" Of course, there is good vets, excellent ones, and good judges as well, of course. Is like in generally. I think Satu must tell how come to be judge in Finland, she have more info about that (i am not so get acquainted into it cause i have no plans to be a judge) Letty, how is it in Holland, what need to be FCI judge? -Suski |
Hello Suski,
To be a FCI judge you need several things. At first that part I wrote about. Then it continues with with more genetic, phychologic from the dog, more information about the inside of the dog and feeding problems and illnesses and a part of moving form the different kind of dogs. Also at the end an exam. Then the 3. part, this is a combination of recognizing movement and exterior from different dogs with his special muskulation for it and recognation of diffenrent coats. Also with an exam with judging 3 males and 3 females dogs from diffenrent races and another part, speaking about dogs and mistakes by dogs and examination over all the FCI races. Of course all the about 400 races is much too long to speak about but we have to learn them all. After that you are a beginning judge and allowed to judge only your kind of race you are interesting in. Not at FCI National of International show but also at lokal shows to make experiences with judging. To be a real judge you have to do race exam and that will be an exam with 3 males and 3 females and writing a judgereport and then after that part you will be examinated by some people about these reports and you knowlegde about this race and illnesses and futureprogramm and how the stand of breeding is at that moment and how the standard was writing and the changements during the years. When you come trough this all you are a real judge an allowed to judging at FCI shows. Then you have to do 4 national shows and after that you are allowed to judge in foreing countries with only allowness of our National Kennelclub. So if you do this whole project it takes, in the most optimal conditions, 4 - 5 years to become a judge. If you fale for one of these exams you have to wait for over one year and for the real judgeexams it depends when the race club will organize such an exam again and that can be taken minimal 5 years. So it takes a looooooong time to become a judge. Letty |
First about kennelname. In Finland...
You most be 18years old. You most be suitable person to get kennelname (not anyting illeagal crimes agaist animals etc.) You most be member of Kennelclub and your breedclub. You need breedclub recommendation. You most write breeding contract (you keep our dogs good and you promise that kenneladviser can visit when it wants. They can come anytime to control your animals and places. Then you most go breeding basic curse part one (16h and 40€) incl.genetig,health, illness, animal protectlaw, breeding, breedingrules and canine anatomy etc. And pass final examination successfully. Then you can ask kennelname. ca. 200€ And if you want to become judge in Finland. Your way is hard and stony! Firt you most had have dogs owner /breeder ad last 10 years. and you need kennelname. You have to be judge assistant (study for it takes many days) You most study breeding basic curse part one and part two. again you need breedclub recommendation. Then maybe you can go to suitabletest and "dogeye"test and maybe pass it as well. Then you can study 4 differents books genetiand then you can ask if kennelclub accept you. Studing bacic course takes over 8 weeks. Every breed most study sepparatelly and you most pass judgingtest for each. And you most to do judging practise many times. Judgecurse is very expensive and takes lot of your time. And if you are judge you most study every year and make tests. Its so easy and light to come judge in Finland :mrgreen: |
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about that part you are mistaken! So lang you don#t plan on having more than 4 litters or 20 puppies a yr you don#t need any course. It is strongly adviced but not obligatory. Registration of a kennelname costs 202€. Also keep in mind than raising a litter in holland is also possible without a kennelname. The puppies will than only get a name, but with regular FCI papers....whether that is good or bad can be discussed about severly ;) If you plan on having more than 4 litters a yr, and keep your dogs in kennels rather than in your home the rules change , become a lot strickter! You're breeding effords are than seen as 'bussiness' and you fall under a whole different set of rules! |
OK Nanouk, you are right but as a responseble breeder I will get names by my puppies.
As you wrote, you can breed without that part but for registration of your kennelname you have to do the first part of the course. Having one female and having one litter of course it is very intensive to do this all but I think it is wise to do it, because you learn a lot and your puppies will having a kennelname. There is also a difference between the kennelclub and the organisation of animal protection about the litters and the puppies. One say 4 litters and the other one say 20 puppies The kennelclub sais that for "hobby" breeding you can go till 4 litters and/of 20 puppies. After that your are a "professional" breeder. When you have 3 females and all three are mated and they give each 7 puppies. (Also you keep these females in your house and not in kennels) What are you then, a professional breeder or a hobbybreeder. You still have 3 litters but there are more then 20 puppies????? I know one puppy will not give any problem but what to do when they give all 9 puppies. Maybe the kennelclub will not give you the papers and what then. I think it is still wise to have the kennelname and to do these course but this is my personel opinion. Letty |
I agree Letty, breeding is something very serious to me, i personally don#t even have a bitch atm, but took the courses and expend my views and knowledge where i can so that i am as prepared as i can be if i ever get my bitch. And probably even than, attending births by other breeders, paperknowledge is far from the same as the real stuff ;)
But in holland , getting a kennelname does not require the KK1 course finished or many other requirements. the regulations first become stricter as mentioned above, 4 litters or more of 20 puppies or more. To me the dutch kennelclub is nothing more than an pedigree issueing instituation, much depends on the integrity of the breeder himself and rules and regulations are very lush! ;) |
Options for Dutch breeders:
A . For Hobby breeders who only incidental breed: A. Without kennelname: •Breeder has to know all the administrative things (for example about new rules how to get pedigree for puppy’s) •Puppy’s will also get FCI pedigree A.With kennelname: •Course KK1 is strongly advised but not obligatory •Condition and circumstances of the dogs have to be good •All the dogs has to have a pedigree (if wanted you have to show them) •Females in heat have to be separated when this is nescecary •The area ofor the litter has to be dry, clean, warm and big enough. •The breeder has to look after this several times •The mother dog has to have possibillity to move in the birthgroom •She also needs a place where she can lay seperate from puppy’s. •And she has to have possibility to go outside. •Breeder has to take care for good socialisaition •Breeder has to know all the administrative things (for example about new rules how to get pedigree for puppy’s) * When a breeder don’t keep the litter in his house/ room, there are more specific and technical rules for keeping a litter!! B. Professional breeders (operating more efficiently) with more then incidental puppy’s: •They has to operate conform all the rules of the cats/dogs decision of the Dutch government (since 2002) •Then course KK1 Is obligated (For your info I am a Ductch hobbybreeder with kennel name :wink: ) |
By the way, these were only the rules of the Dutch kennel organisation (RVBH)about Kennelname and pedigree.
Besisde this, every official (breed -)club has their own specific breeding rules :wink: When a member of a (breed-) club is breeding conform their specific rules; they are clubbreeder and will get free advertisement for litters and their kennel of the club. When members don't, the puppies wil still be official dogs of that breed (with official FCI pedigree). But these breeders wil not get club advertisement. |
After the rules from the Dutch Kennelclub and the breedersclub there are some more rules when you go over 20 puppies and/or 4 litters.
You must have some licenses from the town where you live and some from the organisation for protecting animals. And they come unexpected several times to look after how your dogs are looking and if the whole situation is clean. If not, they reported to the Dutch kennelclub and sometimes you are not allowed for a certain time, to breed. Also the Dutch Kennelclub can send someone to look after, so it not only an institution for giving pedigrees Letty |
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