La Louve Blanche - kennel
 

y hector my name is frank.yu can see my new litter born the last 24 december(good date).the father and mother have hungrian origin and very very wolfship (if yu like this look);y have 10 pupps and the hungria breeder visit me to buy one because a lot of percentage of wolf.thename of father is cryingwolf merlin and mum cryingwolf ossa.(pics on the galery).my site is [censured] 3 pupp are free now if yu want/ my e mailis [censured] or meet yu soon.frank(sorry for my english)

Hi
Was your that make this announce?
http://animaux.vivastreet.fr/donne-v...tchecoslovaque

Hi, we speak Paul, the good breeddogs mas!! have minimum HD and ED test and good charakter, but Your dogs nor have minimum He not have HD test, and i good know, what character have dogs from Crying wolf kennel.
sorry but if i will buy puppys a NOT buy from Your kennel
see inform about parents
http://www.wolfdog.org/eng/litters/566.html
not HD test, not trainig, not tests...
to buy puppy from you it is the same that to buy cat in the pocket

hi.my dogs don t have perhaps reference on bonitation but my male take the metro and like people (child or human juge on ring touch him without problem)his caractere is exellent ask about french juge or stranger (tchek in orleansand pologne for paris dog show)don t do a jugment "unicamente" by register y do bonification this year and my dog have is tan(5/5)this summer.the female(ask edit molnar)is the best caracter she have and it s for that she come to france in plane to choose a pupp male ...yu know a lot of breeders who bye an pupp of his production?frank

sorry but character in dogs show is not this same character as in hause or in work I this know. i am judge FCI and very good this know.

1 question what big is yoir dogs and what bitch NOT have HD ray test?
if you will breed dogs MAS have HD ray test.

sorry but in this thime, you is NOT as breeder , you as biznes men.

hi...if yu look about merlin hd test is A(0/0) y do the test in france professor genevois(fci)and ossa have the same result in hungria but y wait the breeder with certificate...y can do the same exam in france but y believe the hungrian breeder...frank.(for work out exposition ...no problem too they used to walk in big city:paris /metro ;bus ;restaurant;supermarket etc etc.....and they re very social)do yu are so jalous about this new blood selection crying wolf?because yu do publicity for an other breeder? don t mind my wolfdogs have good references on expositions (see results) and they re breeding in very good conditions.......saludad.

och, yet i have good your antswer , thanks.

and all best in live your dogs.:)

regards
:wink:

Frank, I did look the video on your homepage. There is not the same Ossa like you announced on the french internet announce where we can see a wolfhybrid after my opinion. Or please tell us what kind of dog it is.

Greetings

Christian

hi...y can speak about that because when y take merlin crying wolf he have 2 years old and never see my kids /metro /paris city /show /camera..etc...and 2 months after little as little is feel more and more good and trust me....when y go to supermarket/theatre /movie ...now he wait me in the car and his varykennel ....if yu see him on video www.lalouveblanche.eu yu can see a friend of me with camera (friend never see ossa and merlin before )and yu can see no agressivity on my dogs just merlin say:"y don t know yu but what do yu do with camera ?y m not yur friend but y speak like my bloodorigine and keep my distance....my wife is near with my kids and y m in my house yu...the stranger..."y m perhaps crasy but merlin and ossa feel good because y m for them their eyes /hart/and chief of clan...ALL clt are so differents like human and don t like new situations but with a lot" work complicity" litle as litle we can do a lot of things ......frank.

Shy dogs not like but dogs with good caracter normally are very curious when in one new situation.

Paula

hi...y m french and it s my first litter with clt ....but my father is30 years ago breeder of siberian huskies (1970 his first husky )a lot of selection beautyshow and work and y know dogs and primitiv dogs(y have in 1988 my first saarloos and 3 in 1990)y wait 2004 to have a clt because more easy to citylife and vacations /car/etccccc.Well mr wolfin yu are juge and breeder and y think yur discussion not so objectiv ...yu speak like a lawyer and" god" yu don't have the SCIENCE OF ALL and y think yu can learn (everybody too)everyday........y see the kennel of edit and y go to hungria (3 days travel in car with snow) and y can say(y m not his lawyer)that her kennel is a good kennel....y like is selection and y wait 1 yaer to choose my kennel (y see yur dogs and the other europeen breeders)and just 2 is my favorite:passo del lupo and crying wolf....(y m subjectiv because y m human and sensitives reactions about dogs)y see yur kennel ...it look good and serious too(a lot of pics / pound /information ....ect ) but for me it s not essential because y want a very good wolfish and yur more dog look ( nice but not my style )yu say the first time that my kennel is not good reference (because merlin is hd A but yu dont see hd 's ossa)and now yu say if yu have one of couple hd A is ok for good breeder...(y don t thing ossa is E/F/G/H/I/.....Z)do yu do marketing ,because my first intervention on the english topic is "help me to find a pupp" and as soon as y give my name yu write crying wolf bad kennel and give a lot of negativ arguments ...it s too much mr wolfin/what do yu want ?every body say :YU ARE THE BEST??????y think yu have quality on this world but yu re not ALONE.have a nice day and good reflexions .frank(sorry for my english)

was this not marketing? someone is asking he need a pup and you tell you have litter. it is marketing and i do not know why the moderator do not remove your post. because marketing is not allowed here.

how many dogs passo del lupo and crying wolf did you saw? maybe only photos? i saw more and i saw very nice but also very bad, small, with good charactere and shy. i know people who make professional photos where very bad dogs can look like wolves. you need good program and good photograf.

you have 2 favourite kennels. i am a judge and i do not preffer breeders but dogs. for me nice are not breeders but dogs - not dog from one or other kennel are nice but dog which are like is in standard. because as judge i do not judge kennels and owners but dogs.
you have very small contact with breed because i never heard about you and i never saw you or your dogs on big meetings. and i see you have no idea about the best dogs of this breed because it looks you do not know kennels which are important and known by this breed.

you like as massimo said - dogs from big kennels. you can do it. but i can say that it is well known best dogs come from small kennels because they have much better socialisation and much better charactere. i say about working dogs (FCI standart say :UTILIZATION:Working Dog.). if you want say something else please show me slovak and czech breeders which have many dogs.
do you know why CSW was made? if they are made to stay in kennel for whole life or to work and live with family and people?

next thing - i write about x-rays. and why it is important. do you want to tell that bad hips are not heritated? that it is not important if parents and grandparents have bad hips? or not checked? you want to say it?

i never saw you on dog show, summer camp or bonitation. you see only photos on internet. and you think you can say what is the best kennel, what are the best dogs? i say you know only little dogs and only from big kennels. but you have no idea about very good small kennels which have dogs with great charactere and good pedigrees. do you know kennel stin vlka? one female, pups gow up at home, are very good socialised, and later very good charactere. much better as most dogs from CW od passo del lupo which i saw. breeder have good contact with all owners - you can see it on the webpage. dogs from this kennel have good character, very good pedigrees - always different father - not mass production, very good character and breeder is also good person. for me it is good breeder. but you have no idea about such breeders. and it means you do not know best kennels. because they are small and it is hard to see dogs.
maybe i am wrong. if yes please could you write me best 3-4 kennels from every country? because if see you know only the biggest. and quality is something alse as quantity...

hi mr wolfin ...y don t try to do marketing but y show by my web site video a litter (don' t worry8pupp are reserved before y write 6 month before conception)but please can yu explain to me why yu put yur new gallery as soon as yu write with yur site and yur dogs? but don t worry y m not jalous but just see that ...moderator don't put yu out for that and y m glad to see yu here .... for my first litter y never say that tey re the best ...because the perfect dog doesn t EXIST ........all juge and breeders tell yu that........but y know the degree off sosialisation of my dogs and y note that allways yu say negativ words about crying wolf in this topic ......y never say that crying wolf or passo del lupo are the best but they re my favorite ....... FOR ME !!!!!! THAT S ALL !!!!!yu are always on camp for bonitation ? good !!!!!very GOOD things !!!! yu know a lot of breeders ? good !!!! VERY GOOD THINGS TOO....and what else ?do yu thing this act do for yu the BEST IN JUGMENT ? y say NO !!!!yu have yur opinion and y respect yur ideas BUT don t discredit the other people !!!!!! YU ARE NOT GOD!!!!!if one day y go in other country (but y never see yu too in france before) perhaps yu can see my merlin AND see his fine caracther ....AND he s a crying wolf....AND wolfish.... AND he is hd A/A ....AND parents are hd A(father)...AND hd B(mother)....AND a lot of french /nederland/polski/tchek(look on his gallery) juges like him and give him cacs and cacib...........BUT is not perfect because no dogs are perfect ....anything else .frank

i just asked why you breed dog without x-rays from parents without x-rays. nothing more. and you make bing bang. why?

my female made 35 dog shows. but for me important is only opinion of 5 judges. and i will go to 2 more to get their judgement.

for me count only description of experts and not from judges which sometimes never saw CSW

hi .no problem ...y write yu in mp ...frank

If your pupies are reserve 6 months before the conception, why you have announce then in a internet site?!
http://animaux.vivastreet.fr/donne-v...tchecoslovaque
http://www.annonces-animalieres.com/...e__1955__.html
And why in some photos that now isn't there, you have put photos of wolfhybrids and wolves?! :?
If you have all yours pupies reserve 6 months before born, is a complet nonsence make all these announces in the Internet.
For show your Website, is only put it's link in some searching sites as google and others that it make show to all world for free your site... :roll:
Another question, incredible that I never see puppy's annouce comes from wolfin on internet ( and look that I search) as I have find yours, where is the marketing of she that you talk?! I think, she really no need it. :wink:
About the judgement, one judge that make is realy interessing in the breed, study, visit some exposition and meeting is better than one that only judge looking at standard without know really the breed, one breeder that is one judge too and take part in some meetings, show, bonitation and all that is important for the breed, isn't only a judge, but one specialist.
I not see too exactly "negative words" about Crying wolf, but one call of atention in negative points for the breed that already have made by Crying wolf ( and not only) as the cross of 2 dogs with displasy ( only A dogs haven't displasy) as you can see in these litters/dogs:
Litter B and C Crying wolf (HD: C X HD: C)
Litter G Crying wolf ( HD: B X HD: C)
Displasy is one problem that all breeders realy want far of his dog, and is one problem that fear all owners that still have live with one displasic dog, so, why cross 2 displasic dogs ( not A) ?
You can have the most beautifull dog in the world, the dog with the best behaviour, but he is noting if not have health ( and this isn't only for dogs, but for all live creature), because this, all this worry with one soo big problem as displasy is.

Greetings

Paula

hi nebulosa...if y put on free viva street annonce is clear :6 pupps are reserved by people and y have 10pupps for me and an other litter with a female of father breeding "au tenebre de la louve blanche" and merlin(mr arbouys christian )first thing (yu re colombo too here or just moderator?y respect yu but yu don t know me and please don' t juge me and my dogs ...y' m not "yur toy" and y have 42 years and responsable too)...for the other dog is not wolf but a wolfdog's friend ...and yu can see me with him in few time (new pictures arrives)what else nebulosa ?yu re lawyer too?y send private explications to wolfin in mp because y respect his opinion but only if respect people and their dogs ....anything else ....y think this is a discussion beetween him (or her because y just know is pseudo)AND me/and it s not yur problem...wolfin is older enought.....and yu are not his mother or grand mother.....(and yu don t have any crying wolf dog too)y know yu read all forum in wolfdog because yu re sure "passion victim " of dogs and wolfdogs but this evidence don' t give yu ALL POWERS....yu know this french (and sure universal )expression: "yur freedom start when the respect begun front of yu"....y have nothing negativ things about yu and y hope that discussion is closed....RESPECT IN ALL FORUM ......that' s all .....yur role is just moderator not "juge" or "private dedective" of people (and if yu don' t see more the other pics...just because french" fabrice tex "ask to me if y want (and y can) put off them "to the spirit of the race" ....yes this male is so nice and not my wolfdog(he have fci paper) and don' t do any show but sorry he have his place in my web site .........yu know that :POWER is dangerous (look politics people)and if yu have a role in this international forum keep yur jugment for yu and ONLY FOR YU .....yu re not the universal power ...yu re just HUMAN and try don' t forget it ....an other simple human but not simple mind or " simple lamb"(who say YES always to pleasure us)..... respect.frank.

Ei ei ei
Where and when I have judge you here?!
You talk about respect, I still not have see nobody here lack respect with each other, as I not lack raspect with you, I only question you about my curiosity, you reply if you want, nobody here think that is God, nor is a "lawyer", and the moderator of the english version is Przemek that nor was posted on this topic.
This was one public argue betwen you and Wolfin, who want can give it's own opinion about this, can agree or not agree for what are write here between your two, and was that I make, if you want a private arguing is only send a Particular Message (as you do), when you write here that's public and open for new opinions, commentaries for all users that understand or write english, you have to respect it.
I really not understand why all this drama.... :shock:


Paula

[off topic]YOU never see cryingwolf dogs or visit hungria and yu speak just to speak ...this is what y dont like .[off topic]

i waiting :roll:

and can you say: wolfdog is a WORKING BREED or DECORATION breed?

hi wolfin y have little problem with my pc now y try to write yu tonight...frank

ok, i am waiting
8)

hi again ...y hope my mail go now because y have little pb today ....well ...if y understand yur awnser and yur question yu want to know my opinion for breeding ?of course wolfdogs are not christmass tree and decoration is not the most important (but it ' s yu that yu write 35 shows)....y just explain why y try and do now show.....when y go to hungria to visit edit's kennel y fall really in love about cryingwolf merlin....(y know that it s so subjectiv)and when y ask about edit y want to bye him she say straightly and definitly NO!!!!!!!!!!!!(merlin is adult and she keep him for her)but like a kid y stay a long time in the hungria snow with basket shoos(yu can imagine the situation) and y do a promise...:to export the quality of merlin to france and his of course do show...../............(next in few minutes)

and edit say ok ...little as little he win some show and have good comment but the truth y don't(and he don't) like so much show...but promise is promise!!!.....do yu know a lot of dogs( if we can talk with them ) prefered show than stay at home quiet or go to walk in hood with masters ....this is for show my opinion ....for work :of course y know that wolfdog are created for work (and it's in the standard)but it s the same if we have all human and dogs the CHOICE ....what we prefered ?vavations of course !!!!!!!!!!and FREEDOM like wolf or other savage animals ...this for work but y understand dogs work but y think it s so good too when people keep their dogs in family life too...before all dogs are selected for work(ex of caniche is typical) and little as little they love them like kids or best friends and it s so normal attitude...nobody can change that ...BUT the DANGER is people do confusion between dogs and things ...and put them in REFUGE ....that is criminal and not responsible attitude!!!!!!!!!!!!!!this is my opinion for work ....well y hope yu understand me and convictions too ....friendly ...frank

Furyos, sorry but i WOULD like information about Ossa. She do NOT have x-rays and have puppies.

hi !!!.yes merlin is ok and all parent s ossa are hd B/B ..y wait the awsers about professor genevois(fci specialist) but my vetenary who take radio tell me he don t see bad things but it s not official yet ....BUT do yu know that 2 parents hd A/A can give C or D result ....it s not a guaranty it' just a precaution ...and 2 international dogs can give very bad looking dogs too ........y repeat a gain the PERFECTION NEVER EXIST !!!!!!!!!!!!frank.

hello Frank, I don't understand, the HD of Ossa Crying Wolf are not made??

Martial

the radios can detect a problem of dysplasy but your dog can be it also if it is right a problem of angulation which will not exploit the health of your dog in its life but which will have to be isolated reproduction

Martial

Dear Furyos

i am interested in Ossa: why you breed female without HD examinations?

and what will be if your Ossa have HD D degree? then you know that your first litter is in danger to have the same degree and how could you see to owners eyes whn they will find out that their puppies mother has a strong HD degree and she was bred without examinations and it seems that you breed not healthy dogs purposely

[off topic]
I not understand why you attack who talk about the displasy, I not know the crying wolfs and I never have affirme it, but I can see the HD-results who have in the site as you can too, I had one displasic dog, I can say that I will not buy one dog that have the 2 parents displasic as I never will say for the people buy one in the sdame conditions, I not want see again my dog who I love suffer even the end of his life with the displasy.
Call my attention this:
Displasy is one problem not well know by it's genetic, the people know that it's recessive and poligenic, that's why it can appear in 2 HD: A dog litters, if they have the gen of the displasy, normally these dogs have A, but their have parents (far or not) with displasy ( B or C can be), is VERY rare one litter comes from 2 dogs with 5 or 6 generations HD: A have problems with displasy, and that's is comprove.
The official HD can be very different from one not official, only with the official HD you can know if your dog is Ok for be breeding or if will turn more one pet dog.
With all my " lack of age" I never have allowed 2 dogs without the official X ray make litter...

Greetings


Paula

[off topic].wait few weeks and y have the official result and if it s A/A or B/B yu can present excuses for people who read yur romance(not for me y don' t care) and if y have bad results y explain my fault ....but y m sure about the result ....what race yu have before with displasy ? because y never see(or read) wolfdog(saarloos or clt )with hd D/D or E/E lames ....for molossoide dogs; yes it s a real problem of course and german sheperd too ...for wolfdog (new race )the problem is different ....but y wait result [off topic]

Only for you knowledge:
Alan z Smaragovych Vodopadu E(4/4)
Amazonka Eden severu E(4/3)
Akym Morusový háj E(4/4)
Ben z Litavské kotliny CS E(4/4)

That's cool that all these dogs fall in responsible hands who not have used then in the reproduction, and all are Czechoslovakian Wolfdogs, in Saarloos this problem appear too, we only not have a soo complet list as the WD.org DataBase for put the dogs and names here!
Is a shame one " breeder" who nor know the displasie cases of the breed that breeding!
So, sorry, but I will not lost my time with one " breeder" as you.

yes it s true nebulosa don' t loose yur precious time ....with me and for information y m not breeder too .....my father was before and know more genetic and a lot of things but not all .....y can have freedom now??? ...........GREAT....THANK YU VERY VERY VERY VERY VERY VERY VERY MUTCH...y promise to became a good little boy and yu give me a nice picture and flowers for my mum .........YUR dear frank.(42 years and feel so young with yu ....better than botox or silicon)

Just for your information: Orpheus Crying wolf which I happened to know when he was just a few month old and who is the full brother of your ossa was x-rayed then because he showed signes of light lamnes, he is HD D now, one of her other brothers got HD too. I know at least of two wolfdogs with HD that had to be treated before they were 1 year of age one of them has hip searchery with under a year now already. The interesting thing is not really the degree of the parents but the degree of the offspring of the parents, because it is polygenic it can be that the combination of two dogs can cause HD in the offspring. For example Colt Zepes was quite proplematic in this direction.

@ nebulosa: HDB is classified as normal hip within the genetic range in Germany. It shows a slightly divergence in the joint but a normal Norberg degree or a slightly lower Norberg degree with a close joint. It is of genetic interest but no HD, it is called suspicios for HD. In brees with small genetic range you can´t only use A dogs. But it is always difficult internationally seen because the judgement differs a bit in some countries. Koro Krotkovskeho dvora for example had a judgment of A in Slovakia but a C1 in Germany. But this is 8 years ago and as far as I can see Slowakia got much stricter. But in some countries you are allowed to x-ray your dog befor it is fully grown or to breed without any x-rays or the Norberg degree isn´t meassured so you can´t allways compare the results between countries.

Ina

hmmm i am WAITHING :roll:

hi all ...in what language y can write to explain for all ...cryingwolf merlin is hdA /A !!!!!for bonitation we do' t have yet this system in france ...we have camp of jugment(n,ational breeders for name) with a lot of specialist of csw(juge etc;;;) and merlin was 2e exellent .....that s all....bonitation is more in yuy countries where yur race are born ....yu don t have eiffel tower any more but yu can do a construction too after like "las vegas" (it ' s just a joke)wait ...little as little france do the same but we need time ....and in 1955 yu don t have bonitation too.....friendly frank!

In 1955 was very strict conditions for choosing dogs for next breeding. It was in czech army. Only wolfdogs with very stabil character and dogs good for work was dogs for breeding. Please read something about wolfdogs!!!!!
Wolfdogs are work breed, please respect it. The wolfdogs without bonitation (with strict tests of characters), without HD results- they are not WOLFDOGS for breeding. They are "wolfdogs", only.
They can have much titles from French (Dutch, belgian,....etc.) It is not important.

Dear Frank,

I'm still waiting for information about Ossa, exactly Ossa

and by the way, I'm not Mr., I'm Miss

to hanka...where yu read mypostreply;where yu found negative or bad things about 1955 and tchek army ????...y know this hard selection don't worry(euthanasia for bad dogs.... etc) .....y just say in 1955 ;x ray hd don' t exist and show dog for this race too ...(it s not reconized for race ) y explain that little as little organisation (and technologie and science etc....)are more and more hight ....and in 1955 not because it s an "cynophily"experience for begining ....not? yur speak to speak and as yu can take one word (not in his sense)yu do a bad interpretation ...yu read 1955 /bonitation/xray and yu write of course furyos say bad things about selection ...in france we say it s" reductor attitude"...keep the time to read what y try to explain and after yu reply ...(in private please if yu have some doubts )because yur answer is difamatwar when yu write" read something about csw".Do yu live with me to see what y read? respect please. friendly frank.

Dear Frank, Hanka had her first CSW at a time, when you did not even know yet that they existed. She is long-termed CSW owner and breeder from Czech republic and a member of the breeding commitee of the CSW Club in Czech republic. She has more experience with the breed than most of us here together. So please try to show some respect also to her.

Mirka

Daiva,
from what I understand written by Frank,
HD x rays for ossa have been done and he is waiting for official results.
So, YES, Ossa has xrays but not yet official results and NO ossa shouldn't have HD D because frank trusts the vet's opion and judgement enough to breed on her.
Although I personally may not agree on such habit, I have found often that people breed on a dog after xrays but without having yet the official response from the evaluation committee. (in italy it takes several months to get it!)
I have seen this being done also by important and trustworthy breeders. I have done xrays to lunatica, doctor showed me she was HD D and I castrated her BEFORE receiving official results...same thing but opposite direction!
Trying to see things as they are, in some countries (ex. italy) it is not obligation to make xrays, to have low HD or to make bonitation before breeding.
In cz and sk it is obligatory.
It is a matter of personal "moral" and breeding "consciousness" to wait for official HD results and to make bonitation.
I really appreciate who respects the rules of CZ/SK, expecially when it is not obligatory (otherwise I wouldn't have done xrays and bonitation to my dog...).
In italy we made bonitations only recently and many breeders have put efforts bonitating their dogs although they were not obliged to do it. These owners have been often criticised for the bonitation methodology and judge's "reliability" while many other breeders don't even bonitate or make xrays...
massimo

daugther from ossa and merlin
 

for info my last mariage on dog show ... ossa and merlin give this beauty wolfdog ...y hope a real good carrier for her and her owner ...in finland y export one sister so nice too and begun same good carrier ...what yu can imagine now to discradite my dselection ..edit have all xray copi for margo ...A/A for merlin A/B for ossa ...not luck for yu sorry ...and caracther are excellent ... but y know hungria origin ...and yu are disapoint about that ...life is life .... best kiss from "eiffel tower ".... in paris..yur new friend ..frank

for lupis .....what is this write.."all hungria wolfdog with hungria origin are shy ...."???????????????????? y have merlin and volos ....(crying wolf)...y proove by pics that yur theorie is no signification ..and so kid argument's like ...all people in sweden are blond .... or all people who have parent's in prison are future killer !!!!!!!!!!! do yu feel the notion of reflexion...before write or speak .... (religeous war ...when people think like this ..... )we are in 21 century and we are human ..if all people in this forum don 't want do "JUST ONE IDEA(and just one) TO FOLLOW .......other side is wrong ..because my friend think that ...y think that .... we can go in a good direction ...... good reflexion .... pics from my shy wolfdogs :rock_3

some pics from my terrible wolfdog shy ....(blood hungria line)

y forget this pics for the end of this dog show(paris dog show is a real big french organisation ) ...criying wolf volos (wolkos for me) win cacs in medium class ... (for people who like dog show ...for the other one just an info ....)and judge note ...excellent caracther /excellent presentation/excellent type / ...same in luxemburg in a breeder meeting group with a famous german judge .... (best young)....regards ...frank

sorry pc don t take last pics from my dog ...(y change format to post)

I do not know your merlin and volos but all hungarian dogs i know are bad character very bad character or less bad character.... But on photo your Ossa is shy. Why you not write about she? Sorry if your dogs are not so shy but i speak with breeders and they write they not use hungarian dogs because of very bad character and bad dysplasy.

Maybe i am not right but i see hungarian breeder have produced over 100 pups and i know not one with exam. Very very bad result. Do you have any exam or you are working. Because standing on show is not about good character....

exactly navarre !!!!! yur picture explain very well this !!!no doubts possible!!!...as soon as y try to explain that ..... a lot of bad answers like a twister !!!!!!!!!(:o:evil:)nebulosa think that: as soon as we say curly it s a basenji tail!:rock_3.... all is not black or white in the world .... for lupis: ...how many hungrian dog yu see in yu life? for me all kennel from edit and for my xray result y ever give them (A:A for my male and A:B for my female) and ossa not shy yu can ask with a lot of judge or people in dog show ....yur picture explain nothing .... she' s ok and not stress ..... and volos or merlin have ever tail up (when they are exiting)but not curly ..... best regards .... frank(furyos);;;;;;(y send yu from one dog show cac/cacib /best female )

wolfin ...we don t speak about caracther but in this post about tail ....yu show dogs in other situation from dog show beauty ...bonitation is an exam to details ..... ok it s not nice to see that but y can understand that too if dogs dion t earn that ..my males and females dopn t do that when y do this exam in france and switzeland ...it s not exactly same bonitation but a lot of time pass arround dogs to know all details ... yu go in an other way about first discussion ...tail curly or not curly are nice or not for standard " little frog" on this description ...this is the subject in this post ... taht 's all ..yu speak about an old subject ever show a lot of time .... don't change subject please: it's so easy to speak about an other things to forget an other one ...all politician guys do that ...sorry agin ...y stay in my opinion about tails ...best regards ...frank

A well balanced dog doesn't need to have learnt a situation in order to feel not bad, it's homeostasis ...

dogs or human learn ....[censured].... education is a chain of experience ..my male furyos arrive at 18month from hungria and never see train /metro/plane /big city etc ...and now he go to this sort of transport and stay near me in restaurant like mac donalds etc ... he learn .... elf /yu know "intelligence immediat"...yu are so strong !!!!!..when y born y don t speak /read /etc ...personaly y learn all days and my dogs too ..... best regards ....frank

This is conditioning, which not mean well balanced. You cannot learn homeostasis ability.

hi john ..don 't worry ...yu can note that if the conversation go in this way from mirka/angelika/nebulosa/tex ...etc .... like magical way on caracther ..and after for hungria origin (massimo say the truth ..just one breeder ...hypocrite intervention when they said that ....y laught a lot ...;-))it' s just because they try to discredit my wolfdogs ..y have 6 crying wolf(3males and 3 females and import 2nd generation from merlin /blue's son and rubin ) at home and 2 different' s origin in father's home ...it s very easy to change the subject or topic and speak about an other things ....in france we say that :when someone change subject or go in a way with a BIG explication and bla blabla ...it's just for one things :/mask the truth or forget what it 's the real problem ... y m agree 100% with massimo: when yu have in yur kennel short tail :not this problem...if they have german's german shepherd tail ..more difficult ...y m so happy to ,note that the real topic is tail ...and curly is real bad position (or if yu prefer diplomatic word ..not wished...) hummmm good week end ... and y hope for everybody that it's "the end" ...best regards ...frank

Incredible that person with some experience like you isn't able to argue with knowledge about the tail of a wolfdog, a very experienced breeder like you isn't able to know the preferences in selection and put a not very wished tail set as almost disclassificatory problem in a breed with 5 blood lines.
Anyway, for what you write is pretty clear that you chose the wrong breed for breed, I can say it because in some topics ( not only that I take this quote) you say that your dogs have quality because they had win on dogshows, Czechoslovakian wolfdogs are working breed and may have good character for work, your very good dogs are already used as stud and none have working titles or tests, nor the basic BH, if they had a bonitation results you can say that you care minimally for the behaviour but nor it they have, levian, you're trying to proof good character of your dogs with photos at dogshows, sorry but it is a shame, you as very experienced breeder thinking that dogshows are a test for character in a working breed, that leave us to think how bad may be the character of the dogs consider by you fearfull or problematic.

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u' apache is to record with the book of the French origins, its descent will be recognized, if it were not recognized with the birth it is the fault of the stockbreeder of in whom it comes...

no sorry my father worked for cooperation in air army ....but it 's not the topic and important here here ...best regards ... f

for information ...blue de la louve blanche ...in expo NITRA in slovakia is 2eme excellent in young class ...hd result A:A.... ...thanks a lot ....

Why you write it? Much dogs was excelent in Nitra and much have HD A.....And?

yes y know hanka ...but just because before a lot of people say this my last marriage is not sure for hd .... don 't worry ...y m just proud about this dog show result and hd too ... sometime as soon as yu have just dog show result ..yu have some people ask ...and hd ??? that all .... just to stop doubts from that ...;;;

but i see in Nitra.............. his TAIL :rock_3

When one buy a pup from La Louve Blanche kennel, here is the advise given by the breeder: it's forbiden to play with the pup until his/her six months.

Yet another point for La Louve Blanche kennel, to be continued ...

[censured] .....in fact y don t play with pupp as soon as they want bite me or someone else ...it s really important for an owner stop any contact to bite .... play with a little ball (or an other thing)it s not a pb but play with teef :evil:they need to stop strictly this ...y note they feel more mature to feel difference after 6 months .[censured]

What is his tail? What you mean? You say dog from furyos is shy? Because he write his dogs have great character. Not shy. :twisted:

hi lupis :).. look results in germany (natinal dog show heinbrukken)with a big slovakian juge sonja .... ( pics are on italian site) ...why yu open again this post .. yu like write to write ????:pbest regards ...f

:twisted: he write , but i see :p:twisted: this is diferent :rock_3

I have different opinion. I spent a whole day with them in Germany, a few hours the night before the World Dog Show, in the middle of a parking with lot with campers who arrived in continuation, curious to assess the character of Volos as I followed this debate in the past.
I can not speak for what they have seen other people, but I can say with certainty what I found. I never seen Volos with his tail between his leg, never! In the parking in Stockhol he sleep all time with Merlin, with big Noise. In Stockholm fair center Volos was so calm. In Heingenbrucken for many minutes I touched and caressed Volos, on the head on the belly, I tried to embrace to see his reaction. No reaction of fear, no reaction aggressiveness...For me the carachter of Volos is OH...this is my direct experience.

Greetings Alessio

Congratulation to the results but it means nothing. Here in Italy Mrs. Bognarova let Galiba Crying wolf win raduno. He was very much shy and many breeders were surprised such shy dog can win so big show... :roll:

I aska Daiva about blue de la louve blanche

if You see i speak about Blue from hungary. i see this dogs and cann speak only abput hem. when i see more dogs from this kennel in reality i speak and about hes :)

regards

I can say the same for Blue. I never seen Blue with his tail between his legs. Galiba don't win special show in italy, he was first on his class. Sona Bognarova at Heingenbrucken say about Robin Hood Cryng Wolf: "this dog have excelent standard, very wolfish but is Very Good for his carachter!" this is a beatufil dog of Cryng Wolf with a bad carachter, but for me, for my experience is not the case of Volos, is not the case of Blue..

Galiba was best male.
Does anybody know how was the character of BOB on the same show??
please... let's stop this rubbish.
I can make a list of "famous" and "winning" dogs with terribly shy character.
I will NOT make names of course.

For me in dog show better character is worth MUCH MUCH more than wolf head.
"BIG SLOVAKIAN JUDGE" maybe thinks differently, I respect this but not necessarily I agree....
Anybody who is able to select and breed an offspring of Galiba with good character deserves my personal admiration. I know this dog very near and he can haunt your dreams with his looks..
massimo

Hi Alessio,

to understand wolfin´s nice little joke it is necessary to read the topic "tail". It has nothing to do with "the tail between the legs" but with "raising up the tail in sickle shape" (see Standard).

furyos simply doesn´t like this characteristic way of carrying their tails when they are excited.

cheers
Angelika

I not say Crying wolf are not beautiful but i see only shy. If you know other it is good. I have my opinion and i know what i see.
About Blue you write not shy and Daiva write shy with tail between legs. Who write true?

What is character of Blue? Good or bad. Woland write it is good. Furys write good character - but he is breeder of blue.
You write else. Are you trainer to write other thing? How you judge Blue character.

i wrigth about this what i SEE. and i see not very good strong charakter. in this dogs show only Blue have this tail position, and i know wolfdog charakter :) (maybe :rock_3 if i be judge :) and trainer) and this tail position not have normal dog with normal charakter.

but this is me opinion :)

and.. no more comments about Blue tail- i wright all who i will.

Lupis, prima di tutto devi firmarti e mettere la tua persona di fronte alle opinioni che esprimi, in secondo luogo la risposta alle tue questioni è semplice, prendi le tue gambine belle, la tua macchina, con i tuoi soldi gli fai il pieno e te lo vai a vedere come ho fatto io. Sai da quanto tempo leggevo questa discussione? da moltissimo. Sono intervenuto solo dopo aver testato di persona il carattere dei due cani. Da quel che mi risulta Daiva ha visto i cani in expò, da una certa distanza, non li ha approciati personalemente, non li ha visti in diverse situazioni come li ho visti io. Sai quanta [*$&@] ho sentito dire dai polacchi su Daiva, i suoi cani e soprattutto il loro carattere? A palate!!! Ma non mi sono mai permesso di scrivere niente perchè di cani di Daiva ne ho visto solo uno, ed in una situazione in cui non era possibile giudicare un bel niente. Ribadisco quanto ti hanno detto sull'altro thread, fatti, non minchiate e opinioni basate su dicerie indirette. Vai a Parigi a vedertelo prima di scrivere.

Alessio calm down, if you want to write something only to Lupis you can do it, write a Private Message.
Don't make the same mistake as others, English forum = English language.
As I don't know Lupis, he/she can be a super expert as he/she can be somebody who has never seen wolfdogs before.
Does he/she deserve such interest and importance we are giving him/her?
Ignorance sometimes deserves to be ignored...
massimo

Massimo, i wrote in Italian because Lupis is italian, or he/she read and write very well in italian...the argoment are the subjects mentioned above
have been repeatedly discussed, is not a private matter between me and Lupis, even as my request for his/her presentation at the forum people. However, no reply to any more until his message should appear as a real person and not a troll!

Lupis, if you mean there only shy dogs from kennel Crying wolf you are completely wrong. I have Myla Crying wolf and she is like Oliver Passo del Lupo, isn´t it, Massimo?

Sona is looking for character too and I cannot imagine that she was putting Volos in germany speciality on BOB if he was not the best of breed as far I know Sona.

Christian

i see blue in budapest and i say he is normal and not shy. i see more crying wolf dogs there and some were very very much shy and some normal like you write.

A little Off topic: Lupis who are you? I think, you have very much free time. You are happy:lol::lol:

i see you write on forum much more as me and i not understand your question

wow, you don´t understand humor. It was not question:)

Please people, you won't see real carachter quality in a dogshow, I know a lot of dogs wich are completly shy and problematic but in dogshows makes a real show in the ring.

de la Louve Blanche litter advertising: http://www.animaux.biz/chiens/elevag...coslovaque.php

You can see at the bottom of the advertising a picture of a wolf and some text around:

une portee issue de l elevage familiale de la louve blanche

http://www.animaux.biz/chiens/photos/100011223.jpg

photo de cette portee de l annee 2005 parle d elle meme

Traduction of the text around the picture:

A litter from the family kernel de la louve blanche
picture of this litter 2005 speaks itself

:shock: :shock: :shock: a wolf ????!!!!!! :shock: :shock: :shock:

YES it's a wolf 'litter !!!!. y know thanks yu !!!.. y show in this picture the conection beetween wolfdog and wolf .. exactly same attitude with pupps and morphotype .. what is the problem on??? its pity yu don't show others pictures from my dogs ;-);-);-)y can note in a lot web site pictures with wolwes :roll::roll::roll:and y don't have any problem on this :lol::lol:.... do yu know ELF and MARTIOU 07 that we have in this breed :wolf blood???:p:p:p.. if yu don't note that it's shame :shock::shock::shock:... y never forget it in my selection breeding ... look of wolf with dog behaviour of couse not shy attitude ...some french kennel forget it .. sorry .. not me ... thanks again for my publicity in this topic .... best regards .. frank

elf yu can ask all people in this europeen forum change their AVATAR with wolf pictures too ..NOT??????????y laugth a lot !!!! hahahahahahahahah

y show yu elf and martiou 07 ...what type y like from my kennel ... yu can note that in dog show... theiy are so quiete and not wolf attitude shy but dog show competition attitude ... this is a real work .. Not just speak to speak .... for nothing :lol::lol::lol:.. hope yu understand this time ....best regards... frank

Everyone here knows the history of this breed well.
And so...?
What all you've write t'ill now have to do with that?

First of all you say that these pictures are of YOUR last litter in 2005, so, or you made hybrids, or you lie for people.
After you put it as if the mother of the announced litter was the same of the photo.. is like you want see if people are dumb enough to believe in it and don't see differences.
If you want reply, please reply properlly instead change topic with a sad little show.

hi nebulosa ..sorry but my litter is in december 2006.. and if yu click on this annonce yu cansee ossa and merlin .. not wolwes ... sorry ... if yu read my word near this pictures it's write /pictures from a litter in 2005.. y NEVER say that it's mine ..... and y write pics speak itself to show that ... before the picture it's to speak about my first litter in 2006.. if yu don't understand french and some french too it's shame .. and for pics in dog show it's to show same dog in an other situation .. but yu put off the pics .. y don't understand why .. but it's YUR choice .. ot mine sorry ... y do my selection .. yu don't like . NO PROBLEM ..y don't care about this becase everybody canlike what they prefer .. but explain to me JUST ONE THING .. in 2006 y put pictures from my first litter and yu write it's IMPOSSIBLE to write it in the forum .. hy for MARTIOU 07 yu don't have same attitude ??? it's just a question ??? y m just curious about this .. yu hve not any obligation to reply ... but y m so happy to know that ... best regards paula... frank

You change again the topic, surelly nobody here is talking about the photos of the CzW you put as mother and father, but the wolf hybrid litter photo you put as "De La louve Blanche litter in 2005" after all announce.

Maybe, nor me, nor Elf nor Martiou and I think none French wich read it understand it's own lenguaje, only you.
But, the question continues, why this wolf hybrid photo as your kennel litter in 2005?



Your topic about your first litter continues, it's the first post of this topic, you don't put pictures of your litter but your e-mail and fone contact for people wich is interessed in buy puppies, different of Martiou that only show it's litter and put the link for his blog, that nor even have contact for who're interessed in the litter, only photos and datas of the puppies and the mother.
Surelly,if he had commes here putting he's e-mail, fone and with messages for who want's buy the puppies as you do, I won't think twice in erase or censure it as I had made with your topic.

hi again paula .. ok for yur answer for martiou07.. y think it's correct .. for 3e time y explain to yu and french guys before .. ..look better this anonce ... y speak about litter 2006 .. litter 2005 is wolwes (or hybrid wolwes if yu want or prefer but 98 % wolfblood it a wolf for me) y find it in internet pictures .. y like this pics because it's a real wolf attitude with pupps like my females (ossa/yvanka/elia)with them ... and every body can note that .... if yu think this pics from my kennel it's so NICE compliment because y m so proud to have this type in france ..:lol:... if yu don't understand my answer . y don't try a 4e time .. look better .. the pics is not after the words .... first words is ...."une portee issue de l'elevage familiale" ( a litter in a family kennel" ...TO SPEAK ABOUT MERLIN AND OSSA ..ok ... then yu have the pics .. and in legend .. "la photo de cette portee en 2005 parle d'elle meme'' .. the pics from this litter in 2005 speak about ..(wha it's a wolf female with pupps ..) for all normal people they imagine in the future what ossa (in pics in the begining with merlin ) can look like with her pupps in december .... do yu understand now ????????.. pupps are note born yet and y don't have any pics from Ossa .. y show a pics with a wolf and pupps to show what it's the similar litter .. it's easy to understand .. people who visit me understand too .. just elf and martiou want see bad things in this annonce .. yu know what ..if y have a better pics from a wolf and pupp in internet y put again in my web site to showto everybody the wolwes what y like and what y want for my dogs .. if my explication is not satisfy for yu .. SORRY .. but y can imagine yu do that just to play . and now y m little tired about that .. y m little to older to do that .. ok ..well an other question ...do yu like ckYnai type or not ???.. yu don't say in yur last reply .. y suppose not:( but y m curious again to know yur opinion and in what yu don't like him ... best regards frank

I remind you that I'm french native speaker and I know very well what you wrote and what was your goal with this disgusting advertising.

You have lame knowledge in genetic, you have lame knowledge in CsV blood line, you have lame knowledge in selection. You are a shame for the CsV in our country.

HUMMMMMMM............ y love and like yur reply .. have a nice day :rock_3:rock_3:rock_3:rock_3.... it will more easy to put next time .. BLABLABLABLA ........BIG KISS for elf and martiou my favorite frenchs guys ...

No, it´s mistakable for everybody, and it seems that´s just what you want. Otherwise you would have taken this wolf-pic away.

Ah oui très très beau!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I saw different hybrid picture and some of my friends two, not showin mother with puppies but two standing brown hybrids beside a hut. This pic Frankie took of immediately when people were noticing that these were not csw. And now seeing C´Pouchka, I think, mother or father good be one of these hybrids. Isn´t it, Frankie?

Christian

Not for normal poeple, but rather for the naive ones. :twisted:
It seems there are breeders that should urgently take a course in business ethics and decent advertising... :p:lol:

hi rona .. yes y can understand that .. and y m agree about that .. BUT (sorry y like this word) yu can note we couldn't do a selection withgout a model... ok carpathain wolf is our model(y m ok for that) but when yu see some dogs .. yu can note no look than any wolf but more dog german shepherd ... this is what y like in this breed .. have a real look from wolf with excellent behavoiur like a dog ... y show yu last pupps(2 dark male and 1 clear female) from volos and yvanka .... so so wolfish and good behaviour ....... owners like and are proud for their wolf look and dog mind.... best regards ...f