Where and how can i get a CW puppy in Greece?
 

Dear all,

I live in Greece and i am looking to buy a CW puppy. Unfortunately all pet shops i have contacted told me that they cannot find me one. IS it possible for you to tell me where can i have a puppy and the proper procedure to import it to Greece?

Thank you very much in advance for your help

Best,
Nick

p.s: I am sorry if this is not the right forum to post my question but i am new here.

Hi Nicholas.

The countries nearest by Greece are Slowakia and Czech Republique to look after a puppy.

You are new here but at the first page of Wolfdog, you see a list at the right side with expecting litters. The dates which are mentioned are the dates the puppies can go to the new homes.

Maybe you can try to contact some breeders, some of them speaking English or German.

I think this is the easiest way to get a puppy,

Many regards,

Letty

I have sale one puppies from Greece. and I now whe all see.
Pupps mas have rabies vactination, have export pedigree, mikrochip and flying with hes owner with aeroplane :)

wolfin you say that you have sold a puppy to Greece before?

If this is so, could you tell me the procedure and the total cost?
Do you have male puppies currently?

Thanks

Dear Nicholas,

i have sale one male from me in Greece. This puppies mas stay with me for 3,5 monat -in 3 monat he have rabies vactination.
Hes new owner flying in Praha (Czech Republic) and i traveling in training camp and bring hem puppies.
I will all thime see new owner in "eyes to eyes" and speak with hem in real, not only with internet or call help.

New owners have hes puppies in Praha and flying with hem in Greece. I not know who cost have this people. But about this information You cann quest Ouer flying firms :)

and about my puppies-You see
http://www.wolfdog.org/eng/litters/633.html
and about others puppies
http://www.wolfdog.org/eng/litters/
If You will have moore information about my kennel-please wright my PW :)

regards

Hi Nicholas agian.

There is a lot of difference between air compagny's to ship living animals. Not every air compagny do this and as I said there is a lot of difference in price.

You have to infirm you before about this.

I have also shipped several times dogs around the whole world and when you can pick up your puppy by yourself it is much. much cheaper then the pup is travelling by his own.

For example: last year I had to ship 2 adult CW dogs from Holland to Spain(Malaga) I infirmed by several air compagnies and the cheapest price was about Euro 800,-- pro dog.
Then I infirmed how much it was when I travelled together with the dogs? The answer was for myself a return ticket and the single flight to Spain with the 2 dogs together ---- Euro 402,--.So you see the difference.

Wolfin spook about rabies. This is not necessairy when the pup is unter the age of 12 weeks. And by some airplane compagnies you can take it into the cabbin, because it is unter the weight of 8 - 12 kilogramms. Also the export - pedigree is mostly not available at this time.

And most of the breeders will make contact with the new owner so therefore it is better to pick your puppy up by yourself.

At this moment I can't help you because I have no puppies available and maybe we will get some at the end of this year but of course you can visit our website www.graaff-goverwelle.nl

Many greetings and good luck

Letty

Lety, puppies FROM EXPORT IN GREECE mas have rabies vactination. This country have this reguls.
and puppies from Lithuania in 6 weeks have export pedigree :)
regards

Unfortunately i cannot fly to any country to pick up the puppy. Besides i suppose that in nowadays globalized world there must be a way to have the dog brought into my doorstep.

The only way i can think of is to give the contacts (addresses or tel numbers) to the largest pet shop chain in Greece and have them arrange eveyrthing on my behalf.

I have already ,ailed to some breeders i found on the right hand side of the home page.

Wolfin i suppose you live in Czech Republic right? Is it possible to give your contact details to this pet shop i was talking about so they can arrange everything with you?

The reason i cannot fly right now to have the puppy is that i am getting married on the 16th of June and i am in the middle of the preparation.

Sorry but i living in Lithuania, and i not salle pupps from pet shop. Never in me live !!!
If You not cann flying and take puppies from me hand, i not speak about puppies sale.
Sorry but this is me reguls.
regards

Nicholas, living in a globalized world has nothing to do with it!
Small puppy is not a parcel that, as you wrote, is shipped and brougt to your doorstep. I hope this is not only my oppinion.
If you want to be an owner of a particular breed, in this case a wolfdog you have to put some efford, otherwise no one will trust you.

Maybe you should wait with your decission. Especially that you're in the middle of arranging your wedding. Trust me -> taking care of a wolfdog puppy is time consuming, and you don't even have time to come to a particular country to pick up your new dog. Not to mention talking with a breeder, who is a good source of knowlege about the breed.
A few months ago we gave away all our puppies, some of the new owners came from the other european countries, but no one asked us to send the puppy via a petshop??! or anything like that.
With every single new owner I've exchange loads od e-mails and telephone calls before I actually saw the person in reality. For me it was a sign that those people are responsible and trustworthy ones. Because if you have your own puppies you want everything what best for them!
Ana

OK Wolfin,

I didn't know that Greece had this rules and that export pedigrees are allready fixed in this age.

In Holland it takes a few month to get pedigrees and the last year there is a new way to get pedigrees earlier but it takes allways about 2 month to get them..

My appolozises,

Letty

Letty all is Ok. :)

regards :)
p.s. all country have hes reguls and this is Ok. :)

Nicholas,

If your are in your preporation for your wedding, do you have time enough to raise up a CW puppy, which takes alllll the time you have??? There will be no time left for the rest of preporation of your wedding.

the second question is, is your fiancee agree with your decision to have a CW. Do you and you fiancee know enough to raise up a puppy and at least a CW puppy to a good and stable dog.

I don't nothing about you and your coming family but maybe you and your wife are working most days of the week. Where is your puppy then??? At home, in a kennel alone or can you take it with you.

At least there is my suggestion, go on your honeymoon to the Czech Republique of Slowakia and visit some breeders and when you are both really agree with this race, decide if you will bring home a puppy to take care both of you.

But sending a puppy by "parcel" I think no breeder will do this.

Many wishes and have a nice weddingday,

letty

What a beautiful dog but unfortunately Greece is not ready for this breed of dog. Believe me I have lived here for 17 years and have been involved in animal welfare here for as many years. Greeks in North Greece have been cross breeding wolves and dogs for years and people like me end up rescuing stray wolfdog crossbreeds. they certainly can't be sold in pet shops and any future owner of csw in greece should be first interviewed. My oldest wolfdog crossbreed is 9 and thank god he found me.

PS. Nicholas, do you have a stremma of land for your dog to run free, do you have 2 metre fences surrounding your proprty? or will it live in your house? Are you willing to train or exercise it every day?If not do you have secure kennels to put him away when your greek friends and family visit? If not, buy yourself a pomeranian or grab a small stray off the road - there are plenty!

Lountzi, you seem to have confused wolf hybrids and wolfdogs with a well established DOG breed called Czechoslovakian Wolfdog. I know several CSV (including my own) who live in flats in the middle of cities, do not run away and are loved by neighbours... It's true that CSVs need a lot of exercise and need to be trained, but don't exaggerate, they are not WOLVES but DOGS.

I agree that Nicholas does not show the right attitude to the idea of buying a CSV, but it's not due to the breed but rather his hasty plan, which seems rather a kind of a whim than a mature decision based on knowledge. It has already been indicated earlier in this thread.

Unfortunately, experience shows that people like Nicolas, who buy CSVs without careful consideration and knowledge of the dogs' needs and characteristics, and without meeting the dogs live first and observing how much energy they have, often return them to their breeders or advertise in the section "CSVs seeking new home" very soon after their acquisition :( :(

Certainly not confused what a czw is and what a wolf hybrid is, and was not implicating that czw is a WOLF, since it is a registered dog breed. It did however originate from wolf-hybrid and not that many years ago. Merely pointing out that these large breeds need a lot of care and attention which unfortunately in Greece the majority don't get.

Sorry csv not czw, getting my english letters mixed up

Agree, but remember about the really TOUGH selection process that took place in Pohranicni Straze kennel, which is not the case of amateur, incidental breeding of wolf hybrids. By the way, a 2m fence is not an obstacle for a CSV. :wink: :D

You're right, that's really too bad. But why don't they get the necessary care and attention? Due to the ignorance of the owners or legal regulations or other factors?

Unfortunately welfare of animals in Greece is very poor.This is caused mainly by ignorance and lack of education on animal welfare.In recent years there has been a rising trend for ownership of large breeds such as rottweiler,doberman,german shepherd,pit bull and lately the hellenic sheepdog. Owning such animals is seen as a status symbol since your average Greek is petrified of these dogs.They tend to be left chained up in a yard without any socialisation and treated as vicious guard dogs. Of course when the owner becomes bored of them they are then dumped as a stray. Never heard of a Greek contacting the breeder to rehouse their pet. But then again how many registered dog breeders are there in Greece! The other major problem is not neutering their pets. This is seen as barbaric and is very rare.
Ps are there any restrictions on bringing csv to Greece? Would love to know for possible future purchase.

It's very said what you've written :cry: Hopefully things will improve with time...

As far as I know Daiva from Lithuania (nick: wolfin, kennel: Girios Dvasias) sold one of the pups of Harmonia Eden Severu and Harry Kollarov Dvor to Greece. I don't know the details but why don't you contact her, she should know all the conditions and formalities.

Hi, i all thime have contact with Waldwico owners. Hes family send me photo, wright about dog and he living in house and is very loving.
I for all owners from my puppies have very harde testing, and i think-i have good owners :)

Thanks Rona for the input, would be great to keep in touch.
Wolfin, great news keep up the good work. Very interested in the future to own a csv.For information, do neutering contracts not exist for new owners to protect the breed? Know certain dog breeders in usa and uk use these spay/neuter contracts when selling puppies.

You mean a kind of agreement between the breeder and pup owner?
I know Polish breeder who asks the owners to sign such an agreement in which the owner promises that he/she will X-ray the dog against hip dysplasia when it's over 1 year old, will see to the dog's getting the official breeding rights, undertake all costs connected with vaccination and health care, follow the regulations imposed by the national kynological organisation, etc. The agreement also secures the breeder's primary right to buy the dog back in case of serious problems.

I don't know how many breeders draw similar contracts and how much legal power such a document possesses, (if any at all). :?

It would be interesting to learn what are the selling/buying customs and procedures in various kennels /countries, maybe a common best practice could be set or at least indicated? Or maybe it already exists but I just don't know it... ? :wink: :D

Hi all,

Sorry i was not able to answer earlier you questions. Actually they are so many that i do not know where to begin.

Let me try to answer the personal ones. I am 30 years old and i think mature enought o know what i want. I recently moved to a new house wiht my future wife. The total area of this two-floor house is 275 square meters. The balcony alone of the house is 40 square meters. I used to own a german sheperd until he died last year at the age of 15 from cancer. The dog lived with me and my parents in a siomilar house. He was trained and exercised daily since i go jogging every day. I think he had a great life with me. My wife loves dogs and has no problem getting one. With regards to if i will have a kennel in the house the answer is no. The dog will be free to circulate in the house all day long. It would be awful to restrict him in a kennel. The dog will be free to circulate in this house even if there are people or friends visiting. If they don't like the dog then they are free not to visit. Thsi is my house and when they come they must follow my rules. ANd the rule will be that the dog is free in the house. The house has little furnoture due to our minimalist taste. The only case when the dog will be left on the top floor (150 square meters) is only when i have some let's say official guests for an official dinner let's say (my boss for example). To take ti further at least two weekends every month i visit our cottage which is a house in a 5000 square meters piece of land. I think thta the dog can have all the room he wants there. I do not plan to take the dog just to show him off. The dog will be part of the family. The only bad thing is that i am away most the the day while my wife is absent from 9am till 3pm. The dog during that time will be alone. I guess this will not a big problem if he gets used to it. Besides the germna sheperd i had used to live under the same conditions.

With regards to the consitions in Greece. Some people in Nothern Greece do this crossbreeding, and some people do breed pit bulls for fights. But that does not mean that this is the standard. I guess those things can be found everywhere. In general Greeks like animals and do care for them. Of course there are those who d not and are afraid of them. (Liek my mother inlaw for example, but wouldn't that be a great opportun9ity to keep here away from me!!!!!??? ) I am only joking....Having a dog is a big responsibility and the fact that i am getting merried has nothing to do with being hasty or not. I said that i cannot afford to spend two-three days in a journey to Latvia, not that i cannot take care of the dog. Besides i am willing to cover the extra cost to have the dog brought to Greece. Let me ask you this. If you were to travel by plane wouldn't you take your dog with you? What is the difference if i ask the dog to be sent to Greece? It would be a flight trip in both cases.

Now for those who said that i shoudl lock him up in case people or family visit the house, i don't think i am buying a dnagerous wild animal, but a dog.

Just a friendly advice for those who jumped into conclusions. Do not make up your mind unless you know all the facts.

Best,
Nick

P.s: Thank you all for your tips. I am already in contact with some breeders and in the process of arranging the puppy's flight to Athens.

OK Nicholas, just a friendly piece of advice for you: be so kind and present the relevant facts accurately if you don't want others to jump into hasty conculsions. :wink: :cheesy:

I just wonder if you know exactly what puppy you're buying - what the characters of its parents are, if both parents have been X-rayed against hip dysplasia, bonitated, if the pup is/will be well socialised by the breeder from his early days, (which is particularly important for a CSV!), if the info provided by the breeder is reliable, etc. etc. You seem to be so much preoccupied with the transportation problem, that you might overlook much more important issues and end up with e.g. a dog that is no pure CSV but some mix with canadian wolf (so called Mutara), that have recently been banned from the official breeding registers or with a pup that has non-typical appearance or is extremely shy or aggressive or has serious health problem.

Best breeders, who breed "quality pups" usually have reservations for a few litters in advance, though of course there are exceptions to the rule. Anyway, I would think twice before buying the first pup offered.

BTW The breeder's willingness to deliver the pup to doorstep would make me VERY suspicious because good breeders do it only in emergency, when delivering the pup to another continent or so, and after much time spent on discussions and e-mail exchanges, etc. 8)

Anyway, you'll do what you consider right, but don't forget that you've received a friendly warning :cheesy: :cheesy:

PS Just to make things absolutely clear: I'm not a breeder myself and thus have no interest in your buying this or another dog!

Thanks for the info Wolfin. Interesting topic, as well as the health issues these contracts prevent new possibly inexperienced owners from breedingand cross breeding.People often wish to produce offspring from a loved pet but perhaps overlook the other 8 or 9 pups that need to be homed. Over here we have some very odd "pedigree" German Shepherds!Am reading up on this topic for future info, will let you know if I find anything interesting :D

The Breeders i am in contact with i found them in the listing within the planned litters found on this web page. They have already sent me pics of the puppy and the parents. The parents can be found on the gallery of this web page as well. So i guess that i can trust them.

Best,
Nick

Good luck in your guessing game then! :wink: :mrgreen:

But seriously speaking: I hope you'll manage to get a wonderful and healthy CSV and enjoy his company for many, many years!

Great and enjoy your dog. Think however about possible future family and accustomising your dog to being separate for when small friends come to visit. A dog is for life.

Even when we have a child, there are plenty of rooms where the dog can be kept. He is going to have his own room in the house and not just a kennel. With regards to my guessing effort as men tioned, even if i went to pick up the puppy i don't consider my self such an experienced person in order to be able to understand just by eye checking it if it is healthy etc. Teh breeder since he is listed here he must be trust worthy. BEsides info on the temperament of the parents can only be verbal. Looking at the parents for a coouple of minutes does not gice any clue. And to make the long story short...the puppy will turn into the dog its master trains it to be (within the logical boundaries of tis breed).

I don't want to sound negative, but.... wolfdogs pefer to stay with their pack. They prefer their master bedroom or even bed :D

As far as kids are concerned - it all depends how you bring the dog up. See the link to Brenda's gallery: http://www.frey.com.pl/wilczak/index...ilczak-galeria

But the truth is that Brenda grew up with kids and treat them as part of her pack!

Could you please explain to me in simple words what is the wright's coefficient and what is the ancestor loss coeffcient?
Are those numbers the higher the better?

I'm not a specialist, but generally speaking - the lower Wright's coefficient is, the better. However in reality it's more complicated because it depends on what the breeder wanted to achive through a particular matching. If the WC is very high the dog may be prone to illnesses and faults connected with inbreeding.