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My husband and I are interested in taking a wolfdog as a pet. We are in the Uk. £2000 does seem expensive. Can anyone shed any light on what is a fair price? You have to accept that a rear or new breed will have a higher price. My husband has contacted the people mentioned, but we are unsure as to what we ought to be paying. |
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Yes but that´s the price in Euro not pound. I think 2000 - 2500 Euros are around the realistic price if you think of bringing a dog to the UK if the breeder does all the things that are necessary for that.
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Hi, conor here. This is my first post.
I went to see Paul and Mandy yesterday, and I spoke to Paul about many things, including the tragic death of Lynx, and the price of the puppies. Any potential owner in the UK has to bear in mind that a lot of the pain associated with acquiring one of these dogs has been eliminated by Paul and Mandy. We will get our pups at the optimum yime for socialising, instead of having to wait for the approriate Rabies tests to be done, and other delays that occur upon trying to import one for ourselves. We will also not incur the expense involved, or the stress both to ourselves, and our new dogs. £2000 is a lot, but I think it isn't too far from the mark of what you should expect to pay for a rare dog such as the CzW. Should you choose to undertake to breed your animal at a later stage, you will almost certainly re-coup the initial outlay, and I can't imagine it beign hard to make a profit! I checked the pups out, and it is obvoius that Lynx was a good mother, and that Paul and Mandy know what they are about. From what i had read, I expected all of these pups to be shy, reserved, and wary of me. Instead i was literally knocked over by their enthusiastic approaches they made to me. They are a happy, well adjusted, sociable litter. I can't wait 'til next week, when I pick up the dog i selected. Throughout the entire process paul and mandy have been helpful and have given me advice and guidance. they are very approachable and down to earth, as well as knowlegeable. It showed in the qualtiy of the pups I saw and handled yesterday. |
mmm... 2000 pounds are 2900 euro !!!
this breeder is the one and only in UK.... I think that this is the only thing that justifies that price. :cry: or maybe the cost of life is so high in UK ? |
Indeed, the costs of live are extremly high in the UK. The last time we´ve been there we payed 240 Euros for four Pizzas and two bottles of ordinary housewine in a normal Pizzeria, fortunately we´ve very good friends there.
And I think Conor is right, They´ve been through a lot of troubles to get this litter. What makes Lynx death even more tragic than it is anyway. The only thing to worry about is that looking on long terms somebody has to get through this trouble again to get other bloodlines into the country. Ina |
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Re: UK only breeders bitch dies tonight in accident!
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In answer to the price of a pup, prices are set with the dogs on availability [as with everything], so in countries where the Czech is more available prices will be set lower than in the U.K. I pay double the price sometimes treble Vets fees. In the U.K the average price for a pedigree dog is £600-£750. For a dog bred from a champion parents it is between £1200-£3000 depending on the breed, the rarity of the dog the higher the price. I speant nearly 5 years searching for a Czech. I sold my home in the U.K in order to live and work with the breed, I have speant 100's of hours with paper work getting ready to do my best to get the breed recongnised by the kennel club and I am nearly there. Chris did you ever wonder why there are no Czechs in the U.k? Because nobody could do it! they all gave up! With the average prices of dogs in the U.K do you think I will ever sell a Czech at an average price that could buy a British Bulldog or other common breeds?! Do not insult this breed of dog online! In fact I set you an online challenge for you to go find yourself a Czechoslovakian Wolfdog Mr smart arse! The U.K is a very expensive place. Vet bills are high, Vaccinations are high, Dog food is expensive, it costs on average nearly %500 to rear one pup ready for sale. People like Chris sit back and let other people do all the work and effort, years of hard work getting this breed to the U.L. If it were not for the dedicated Czech overs in the U.K I woud take them all back the Europe, but why ruin it all for a fool like Chris. No Chris you can't have your cake and eat it. Not with the Czech wolfdog! Thank you Conor for your mail and if Chris had of asked the questions you did. Yes. The pups are worth every penny or their weight in gold. P.Winder |
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Hello Pacino,
we are going to be in England in June leading a german trecking tour with dogs through the yorkshire dales. If everything goes like we plan (that means my husband and me are able to go) we will take at least one of our wolfdogs with us. Maybe we could meet there? Regards Ina |
Paul is right - that's a good price given my own research into the import costs and pain. If you are in the UK and need one of these, these two breeders are the one's to see it's worth every penny; they will look after you and have a huge reputation in the UK. I would suggest that you pay Paul the 2k and thank your lucky stars that they have completed all of the work for you; I questioned without thought and following research - you don't want to get involved in imports. As for timing - agreed the same email was foolish.
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Conor here.
I am very pleased that this breed has been introduced to the UK by people like Paul and Mandy. Even if the breed had been here years and had been well established, I still would have wanted to get a dog from the likes of them. I have encountered no condescension, no overtures of cynical money making, and concern and questioning from them to ensure that their dogs are going to go to the right homes. I am fully satisfied that I have gone to the right people. I am fortunate in that the dog I am taking is also of excellent pedigree, as well as nurture. As Paul says, both of these factors ALWAYS command higher prices, and I am happy to pay it, as I am re-assured that I am buying into future support and help when we (the dog and I) need it. Once I get this guy home and happy, I am going to seriously consider acquiring a bitch. I will be referring to Paul and Mandy, at least for advice, and almost certainly for the dog itself, if they have any available. From my previous experience of British dog breeders, they usually seem aloof, elitist, and reluctant to divulge their 'secret' knowledge in case you get one up on them, and to hell with the pup you took from them six months ago. Add to that the puppy farms and I am sure the result is a lot of unhappy, uncared for dogs, and confused, unknowledgable owners. We all should be looking to put a stop to that. It's a shame there aren't more people breeding different breeds of dogs in the UK who have the same attitude as Paul and Mandy. I know that I am going to learn a lot from them, and that they will teach me happily. Paul and Mandy also want owners who are going to become actively involved in assisting the establishment of the breed in the UK, so they are anticipating some comittment from us, the new owners. I veiw this positively and with excitment, as the net result should be a group of dedicated owners maintaining contact, sharing experience, and hopefully developing friendships. I hope that we will all work together to protect, nurture and positively promote the CzW as the UKs newest, and most noble breed. Conor |
Very intersting subject. I just wrote long long reply, and my computer missed it, so i start again.
We have momentally at home 4 import Ceskoslovensky's, 2 import Saarloos, 2 import Spinonis and two "Fin made" dogs (German Shepherd and Fila Brasileiro) + FIN made Ceskoslovensky puppies To breed a dogs is easy, to breed good or excellent dogs is not so easy anymore, and to breed and find good homes for a wolfdog is sometimes impossible, example here in Finland. I think dog price is not the main thing if you want dog, even for me it isn't. I know, for some people it is. But never should be. To take care of dog is not free. And livin costs in different countries are very different. Nearest example for us is Russia,or Estonia. Both very much cheaper than Finland, and both so near that we can go there in two hours. I spoke now about Finland, for an example. You have to pay taxes from every dog you own every year and you get nothing for that. Your dog must be leashed, well trained, quet and clean all the time. If any troubles come out, it's immediatelly in newspapers and soon hole breed can be illegal,cause of some unresponsible owners/breeders. As an wolfdog breeder i never wanna that happen, and i really try to find good enough homes for puppies leave from us. If i don't, puppies stay by us longer. That is a fact. Vet cost, show entrees, dog food, meat, all very expensive here. Distances are also very long here, and average show trip is 500 kilometers. Gasolin, cars and taxes which you to pay to own a car is very expensive too. Heating costs for you, or for your kennel houses are amazing, and you have to keep heating on here at least half a year, more cold, more dogfood which your dog use. Dogs need more energy in cold weather. Simple, but expensive. I guess, average dog price in Finland is 900 Eur, example all "toydogs" costs 1000-1200Eur no matter are they rare or not. Of course more rare more price. Cats with pedigree cost here from 600 to 1500 Eur, yes, cats. German shepherds costs 800Eur, and registered every year about 2500 piece. My wolfdog puppies costs 1300-1500Eur depence on breed and a little bit pedigree,show results and so on. I guess, that is not much. Not much from a breed we have here momentally 14+ 8 puppy (saarloos 10 piece, first saarloos litter, puppyprice over 2000Eur ) Not much from a breed which can easily live 14 years and everyone who have wolfdog knows what kind of costs it can made within it's life. Not much, as you get a puppy with pedigree, microchip, veterinary healthy certificate, over 100 pages feeding, training and how to take care instructions with life long support. Is it? I guess no. For me a price of puppy is not decisive, then what is? BREEDERS KNOWLEDGE and interesting for the breed, pedigrees, healthy parents and how breeder take care of own dogs and puppies. For me, 1500Eur from a dog is average price, i could pay also more, if i really want a dog. And i had pay, many times. Not just for a dog directly, but with import costs, yes. I am not a millionaire, i work with normal cellary (average) 8 hours daily, and as an hobby, i breed wolfdogs. I don't see any sense to compare dogprices between different countries, cause my opinion still is, that it all depence what you get. And if wanna compare prices of dogs, have to compare everything else too then. Price of puppy in England is high, but i understund it well. Livin costs in England is very high too, and litter is first. Breeders in england i don't know, but i believe they are good responsible breeders. If somebody wanted a puppy from me to England, i can say, that with all costs which will come out (as Ina said already) , it's not much cheaper than puppies in England now. Of course, it's new blood then and worth of it, but every people don't wanna breed, and don't need different bloodlines then. One example still, i could buy a Fila brasileiro from russia in 300Eur, but i didn't. I buy it from Finland, and pay 1500Eur. And i never regret that. Why? I know what i get, i get a dog from responsible breeder who really is interesting on it's breed and i get also life long support. He breed Filas for a very deep love in that breed, not for a money. I hope you all understund which kind of breed you have in your hands, i really wish cooperation more, and i wish you all breed your dogs as an hobby, deep love in this breed, not for a money. Then it's worth of it, cause we all know, what you left behind, you find in front, sooner or later, and these kind of breeds really need responsible owners and even more responsible breeders. We have at home momentally 6 Ceskoslovensky puppies age of 7 weeks, still without home, cause i haven't find good enough yet. I hope i find soon, but also know, i'll keep it longer, if i don't. I wish all the best for everyone, especially for English litter and breeders, i know how hard it sometimes can be with these dogs, to breed it, try to find good homes. Greetings from cold (expensive) Finland; Suski, Kennel WolfSirius (this wasn't so good as my first missed reply, but i hope you understund me still...) |
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Most of the puppies are born in the winner. They stay in the kennels for the whole time without the contact with people, dogs, aso. Most of them see the breeder only during the feeding time. Such puppies are shy and reserved. And sometimes they stay shy for the whole lifetime. If you will find a good breeder, you will also get a good puppy (at least concerning the character). |
Thanks Margo. This is just the sort of thing I am wanting people to tell me about. I want to soak up as much information as I can, and establish contact with those of you who are already in the know, or who want to discuss your own particular take on dogs, wolves and wolfdogs.
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I was only asking a civil question, and a question that any reasonable person would enquire about out of common sense. We are not looking to cause friction with anyone either here in the Uk, or on the continent. We simply want to make certain that we make the right moves, and start off on the right foot. We didn't dismiss the sum of £2000, but thought it sensible to make an effort to get information and therefore establish a proper starting point. My husband and I and the kids will give a CzW a loving home, and if £2000 is the price, we will pay it once we are satisfied the pup is well, and has been appropriately reared. We live in the middle of Argyllshire on a 20 acer small plot. We understand that importing would be expensive and time consuming, and on top of that it is harder to maintain contact with people who are in different countries. Karin and Donald |
I’m normally pretty easy going, but to be frank, this posting has really angered and sickened me …
The Winders are currently going through one of the most traumatic times of their lives, and yet this forum seems more concerned with their pricing policy than showing the sympathy that is due! Do you honestly think that this is what Paul and Mandy need to be concerned with at present? If any of you have ever lost a dearly loved animal, then you might just understand what Paul and Mandy are going through. Remember how you felt when your animal died? The loss: the anger: the bitterness? Well, now add to that the 6 years of hard work that the Winders have endured to get to the point they are at now with this breed! 6 whole years of serious slog, battling red tape, procrastinators, recriminations, bureaucrats and scaremongers. Imagine the months of paperwork, telephone calls, and visitation to various authorities, breeders, shows, etc. Add the cost of your home (literally), the loss of your friends and your family whilst you follow your dream… All for that one, precious goal. To bring the Czech and Saarloos to people like us! That’s right, US! The ones who really do care enough to want to share our lives with one of these wonderful creatures, but who are just too scared, stupid, or idle to want to attempt an import ourselves! That’s a lot of time, effort and money well spent on our behalf! Did you honestly expect these puppies to be a few hundred pounds a throw? Pacino is an established kennel and it’s doing you a service just like any other business. The fee (put in simple terms for the layman) covers an eight week period; from birth to the collection of the puppy. That’s £250 per week for their trouble. Now think long and hard about what services you would need to import a Czech or Saarloos wolfdog from the continent. A vet, solicitor, kennel-hand, MP, trainer? Do you reckon you could get all these for £250 a week? That £2000 is peace of mind to people like me, it means WE don’t have to jump through the hoops that the Winders have for the past 6 years! They have very kindly put themselves through all the trouble, time wasting, rigmarole and bigotry so that we don’t have to! All the hard work has been done for us BEFORE the pups are born. And it’s Paul and Mandy who have all the worry and hard work to do AFTER the birth too! All WE have to do is feather the nest for the new arrival and play the waiting game till he/she is ready to come home with us! The Winders are respected breeders. They have spent years researching these breeds so as to offer the puppies the best possible upbringing; and offer US the best possible puppies. Paul and Mandy have striven to put US in the ‘driving seat’ so that we can bring home an eight-week old puppy, not a 10-month old juvenile. That’s a whole extra EIGHT months of quality time spent getting to know your new found friend, and NO transportation / separation trauma to the animal! Beginning to get the picture? The Winders need time to grieve over their loss, so why can’t you give it to them? This should NOT be time when Paul is drawn online to vindicate himself, or his kennel! The loss of Lynx should be the issue here. It’s bad enough losing your companion when you know it’s going to happen, but tragic accidents like this are even harder to accept. Think how you would feel if your animal was lost through trauma, and SHOW SOME RESPECT! Gaulirmorn |
I am in agreement with Gaulimorn. The Winders have my confidence, respect, and sympathy at their loss. I am taking one of Lynx's pups, and I will will be referring to Paul and mandy in the coming months for advice and help. I will also be offering to help them in anyway I can in getting the CzW established in the UK. My opinion is that they are a credit to dog breeding, as they are so approcahable, evidently care for their dogs with regard to who they go to, and are not out to wring every penny out of the litter by asking ridiculously inflated prices.
A breed such as this has and will continue to arouse enormous curiosity from other dog breeders, owners, and the public in general. The owners of the first litter have a considerable responsibility, and debt of gratitude to both the Winders, and Cornelia Keizer - who I am told by Paul will also offer her advice to the new owners of Lynx's puppies as and when it is required. This will all be free, and more to the point, it will be sound advice based on DECADES of experience from the Winders, and Cornelia. I have owned pedigrees before, and paid considerable sums for them, but this is the forst time I have ever felt that I will be getting valid, concerned support. We should thank our lucky stars that we are the fortunate few, and we should be happy to ofer our support to Paul and Mandy in the coming months to help get this marvellous rare breed established with the great reputation it has justifiably earned on the continent. I feel as though I have been granted a privilege, and given the opportunity to take up a rewarding new hobby - thanks to Paul, Mandy, Cornelia, and Lynx. Finally consider this: anyone wanting to help Paul and Mandy will probably have the opportunity to breed their animal should they wish. I don't think for a minute that Paul and Mandy are anticipating doing it all alone without wanting to refer to the blood line that is Lynx's legacy. They will be asking us, to get involved. You will make your money back on your initial lay without any problem. I will be thanking Paul and Mandy profusely on Saturday, and I will be mailing Cornelia Keizer on Saturday, to thank her for helping me to realise a dream. Any one else who is taking one of Lynx's pups; it would be good to have contact with you, and hopefully we can share our experiences of our new dogs, and maybe pool resources to help Paul and Mandy in the future. Conor |
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Thank you for your kind response, Paul.
I think everyone will agree with me when I say that there is no need to apologise for your words or actions in recent days. It’s impossible to speak from the head when the heart is grieving, no matter how professional you are. I am certain that no one will think any less of you for it. And thank you, Conor. Best of luck with your new found bundle! You'll probably need it! Gaulirmorn |
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am in this case strictly. We (webmasters) hear very often from some people the critique about puppies prices. Please, dont forget, that its absolutely freedom of breeder, which prices setting. When have no problems and selling the puppies for this prices, then is everything OK. Most problematic is the other extreme, when "breeder" selling the puppy for very very low prices or give free of charge (yes, such cases we just know). Its a signal, that something is not OK. But high price, I mean, is OK. I would like to quote one czech breeder. When call him somebody, who interested about his puppy and hear the price, then answer, that its too high, because he get a offer from other breeder and price was lower. Reaction of breeder was absolutelly excellent : "Why you then call me ? You must call to the other breeder. I valuate my puppies so high. If for the other breeder have own puppies low value, its his privat problem.". Howg :cheesy: Pavel PS : And little notice on the end. Nobody, who dont breeding ever, knows the costs with it. Before the critique try to counting shortly all possible costs with not puppies only but e.g. announcement, shows and training (its a best announcement) etc. Really seriously breeder, who care 100% about own dogs cant never makes a profit by breeding. |
Hi everybody. Now we have it from Pavel, and I understand that he knows is stuff, so hopefully we can lay this argument to rest. I am visiting Paul and Mandy tomorrow to collect my pup. I can't describe the feeling of exhiliration I have now at 7.15pm. Everyone I have metioned him to is waiting to see him with anticipation. This guy is going to be a star in my town, and I know that with Paul and Mandys continued support, he's going to promote this new breed in the UK in the noblest of fashions.
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Hi Paul,
I too await the response to your above question with interest. Only last night, I spoke to my mother regarding the Saarloos bitch that I hope you will bless me with in the future. Mum was amazed at the ‘excellent price’ (her words) that you were quoting for these puppies. (Obviously, as yet the Saarloos price is to be arranged, but I am expecting to pay around the same as for the Czechs). My mother and I were discussing the issues raised on this site regarding costs, and the fact that the ONLY other option available to wanna-be owners is importation. We have no idea how much the actual fees would be in total, but we KNOW that the breakdown of importation cost is a whole lot more than what is being asked by Pacino. Unfortunately, people fail to see that the ‘cost’ equals both the finance AND time scale involved! Firstly, you are probably going to find your breeder on mainland Europe, so you have a number of places to search. France, Belgium, The Netherlands, Germany, ‘the world’s your oyster’ so long as you can get around the language barrier. And how many breeders will be willing to raise your animal for you for the first 10 months of its life? It’s asking quite a lot, especially considering that you might back out of the sale or be blocked by bureaucracy before you can import the animal. Once you have selected your breeder you’ll have to pay them a visit, or two… Actually, we reckon that you would have to visit the breeder a minimum of three times; once to vet them; second to choose the puppy and third to collect him/her. And it always pays to have a good working relationship with your breeder, so even MORE visits would be advisable. So, you’ve found and visited your breeder and you’re quite happy with him/her, and now you’re playing the waiting game. Waiting for the bitch to come into season, waiting to see if a mating will take place, waiting to see if the mating has been successful. Waiting for the whelping, the birth, to pick a puppy. And what happens if you want a bitch and the mother only has three dogs? Then you have to wait for another bitch to come into season, or maybe the same bitch (which could be twelve months or more), you might even be forced to find another breeder! Okay, so now you’ve got your prize! You have to take into consideration that this breeder is rearing your puppy for the first 10 months of it’s life you will have little or no imput into it’s upbringing. However, you WILL be expected to compensate the breeder for all the costs involved in the upkeep and training of the animal. Over 10 months that’s going to add up considerably! Then there are vets bills, what happens if your animal has a medical problem that needs sorting out. Nothing serious enough to affect the purchase of the animal, but enough to affect your wallet… At some stage your pride and joy will be ready to join you in the UK, but before then you’ll need to sort out the pet passport, which includes having to comply to certain specifics, jabs, chips, blood tests, etc. How much will this dent your pocket? I suppose in the general scheme, these will be tiny amounts when you compare them to what has ALREADY been racked up! Then there’s the application for the pet passport. All that form filling and red tape. What happens if your animal fails the screening for whatever reason? More payment to the breeder for continuing to look after the animal for you, and that’s providing they are willing and able to do so! Then there is the distress caused to the animal during the hand-over and importation period. Everything that he/she had come to accept and depend upon over the past 10 months is suddenly snatched away… He/she has new owners, with quirky mannerisms, and strange smells. The new surroundings are intimidating and frightening. Sounds and scents are unfamiliar, there’s a change of diet and the walks are shorter, noisier and at the wrong times! The animal wants to flee, to return to ‘the norm’. Do you have the expertise and understanding to be able to nurture the dog through this difficult time, and succeed? I’m sure there are other matters that I have forgotten about, or do not even know of, but the point is that is would be a FAR greater drain on your time and money to import than paying the Pacino fee! My mum and I reckon it would cost you somewhere in the region of £8000 and about 2 years to import a wolfdog from Europe, and the animal’s welfare is paramount! So in the general theme of things, I’ll be more than happy to hand the Winders my £2000 in return for my eight week old Saarloos, safe in the knowledge that I’ve saved my puppy distress, and myself time AND money! Gaulirmorn |
to mr. Pacino & Gaulirmon
sorry for my bad english, I did not want to offend noone. I know that ther are silly law in your country to import dogs (and even come for tourism with dogs)...10 months are the minimum age to importa a dog ? however my wish is that when the CSW will be a more diffuse breed in your country, with many breeders and owners, the price of a puppy will be lower, because you haven't to import puppy from outside. so no more import-costs, but only the costs of every other breeder. simply ! |
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Some breeders will count everything: all costs connected with the litter and on this basis they calculate the price, and sometimes you will find very poor quality puppies for a very high price. Some breeders them set the price on other basis. And you can buy very promissing puppies for a normal price. It's as Pavel wrote - if a breeder is really good, if he is doing a lot for the dogs and for the breed: if he is importing the best lines, showing the dogs, working with them, if he choose the best stud dogs for his females, he will never be able to make profit. Just small example - some breeders from West Europe visit the summer camps in origin countries, some of them make the bonitations there. Should they add the costs of accommodation to the costs of the litter? It would make the prices horrible expensive. So the truth is - the price is just simple number. I heard about breeders of Golden Retrievers (now I forgot but I think they live in Holland). They have one of the best kennels and also one of the most famous one. But they are selling the puppies for a low prices (attainable for everyone). But there is something else: not everyone can buy/get a puppy from them (even if you will offer some thousands of EUR). If you want a puppy you must offer something more than just a money and a "good home" and they must like you... And I think it makes sense. Now I really unterstand their strategy. It applies also for Wolfdogs - if you have a lot of costs you will never be able to cover them selling the puppies. Because you will never be able to find 6-12 good owners if you ask the price 1500-2000 Eur or more... at least not in Europe. ;) So you will have to sell them for a normal price. And in this case in really doesn't matter of you ask 200-300 EUR more or less. You always incur a loos and it doesn't matter if your loss will be higher by ~1000 EURo... :mrgreen: Quote:
You mention the case with the puppies for free. I think it is the best example that the high price really doesn't matter; it doesn't help with anything. That it has nothing to do with selecting a good owner: three of those puppies went to Poland. One was buyied for a normal price. Two of them were given away for free. The last two puppies found great homes. You can meet them on meetings, dog shows, a.s.o. The puppy, which has been buyied was sold later to nowhere... =================================== But back to the UK.... :D Susanna & Gianluca are right - the prices in Europe are much lower and there is no problem to get a very promissing puppy for 500-600 EUR in East Europe, or for 900-1000 EUR in West Europe. (I specially don't write "from Champion parents" because sometimes such puppies has really nothing to do with "promissing puppies" :oops: ). But on the other hand the price asked by Paul and Mandy (£2000) is nothing special in UK. Everyone who want to choose the first solution have to find a breeder who will be ready for keeping the puppy 10 months long. Who will be ready to make all these paperwork. And don't forget: 10 months is a very long time for a CzW. After all you will get an young dog who will not feel as a member of your pack... ...or... ...you can pay more a get a puppy from Paul. In this case you don't need to care for anything: you will get good sozialized puppy which you can bring up as you want. I really don't understand the whole quarrel about the prices. If you don't want to overcome all problems connected with importing the puppy you can buy the puppy from Paul. The result will be: there will be another (good) owner in UK. If you think £2000 is to much you can import a puppy from Europe. The result will be: there will be new blood imported to UK. In both cases the english CzW population will profit from it.... :mrgreen: |
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I picked my pup up on Saturday 31st January from Paul and Mandy. I wouldn't swap enjoying him now and watching him learn and play for a dog offered to me for a tenth of the price. He settled in less than 24 hours, has adjusted brilliantly, and it seems evident to me that I owe that to Paul, Mandy, Lynx and Cornelia. To put a CzW through the trauma of relocating after ten months in a secure environment wouldn't enter my mind, and I imagine it would end up costing more than I have paid for my dog quite easily. I have paid what I think is a fair price, and for that I have got a content, happy young pup, who can learn my ways at the best time for him to do so without undue stress - up until his 12th week. The thought of unsettling a dog at 10 months of age, making him unhappy, and risking never having him feel secure as he needs to, makes the relative financial saving (which is probably not there) trivial. I have the dog I wanted, he is as I expected, and I am not anticpating any major probems. Any finacial savings that may be made, will be lost in the psychological debt that a dog moved hundreds of miles to a new, strange anf frightening environment would accrue. It is, in my opinion, supposed to be about the welfare of the animals, not scrimping to save a few quid. |
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I guess im one of the youngest here, I hope that by the time I finish college that I can purchase one. You Uk guys have done so much work from the breed, boy you have so much respect from me. My parents seem to like both Swh and Cwd, so maybe I can still twist there arms lol! I spend so much time looking at photos... drawing them... dreaming. Its definatly a dream to own one.
And thanks to you uk breeders/importers my dream can come true because of the effort you have put in. Plus the price, its not bad at all considering I couldnt buy a good ragdoll cat for that :P! Thank you :) |
Hi everyone,
Glad to hear that your bundle of joy has settled in so well, Conor. What have you named him? Please, please, please keep us informed on your pup's growth, I'm sure we will all find it both fascinating and informative! It will certainly give us some idea of the fun we future owners have to look forward to... Great news for Pacino, Paul! Congratulations on ALL your hard work; getting this far with the KC is a major feat! It's an immense boost to all CWS lovers in the UK and gives us real hope for the future of this breed in Great Britain! I found it fascinating to read about the other CWS you have plans to import into the UK this year. As you know from our previous conversations, I am looking forward to homing one of your Saarloos bitch puppies in the future. Can I please ask you what's happening on the Saarloos breeding scheme front; what animals are you hoping to import for this breed? I know you said a while ago that you were working on a pet passport for an adult Saarloos bitch. Do you still plan to import her later this year, and do you intend that she will be carrying a litter when you bring her to the UK? All the best Gaulirmorn |
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I have called him Hektor, a name which I think suits him. He is the largest of Lynx's litter, weighing 7.5kg at just less than 8 weeks of age. He is beautifully marked, and is bright, curious, playful and a wonder to watch. He is also a star in the town I live in already... he loves the attention. He already knws the way to my parents, and is very comfortable in their company, and with their Jack Russel who is a little possessive, though it doesn't cause hektor any stress. I will be putting some photos of him on here before long, and Paul Winder has asked me to be chairman of the CzW UK owners club. When we start to get that off the ground (we can't be officiated by the KC yet, but we can make a start now), I will be setting up a web site, and hopefully we will have our own point of reference for current and prospective owners. It's an exciting time, for a wonderful breed of dog. Anyone wanting to get involved or to be kept up to date can send me a PM. I will be contacting the owbers of Lynx's pups in a few days to see if we can get the ball rolling! Conor |
chris your loss
your e mail was tackless and costly for you one word of advise think before you speak from the proud owner of two lynx puppies.
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I live in Belgium and I bought a CLT in June 2003. You can see my dog on the site : she's called CALIX DE NEW FLAME. I paid 800 euro for her. Bye |
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Hi im looking to buy CsV pup for my bitch, to inport to uk,as a new blood line ,could you give me any name of breeders please:|
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if u read through the forum u will get ideas of lines and breeders...but i would warn you i doubt any reputable breeder will sell you a dog to breed with your unregistered csv. |
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what make you think that my dog not registed?
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she is part of our family, need to get facts right,before opening your mouths
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err...did anyone say she wasnt part of the family :? |
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(I am merely asking you what any decent breeder would) |
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The 'pup' you plan to breed from is that from wolfzone? I ask because I know a gent who has one from there and his certificate produced from wolfzone states breeding retrictions and I am told that wolfzone will not allow breeding of her pups? |
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Hi thanks for the reply the breeding reretrictions are pending hip score
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I have one question: can owner import wolfdog puppy to UK, legally registred it and later to have ofiicial kennel? Is it legal in UK to breed cz wolfdogs with FCI pedigree? Thanks for answers.
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Hope this helps! Marcy |
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Hynek www.wolfdogs.name |
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