CzW ownership in Sweden
 

Wolfdogs are not banned in Sweden. I have proof of this in mails from the Swedish agricultural department, but only in Swedish.

Any wolfdog that you can prove to be F5 or higher is accepted by the authoritites - the only thing here is that the kennel club doesnt accept neither SWH nor CSV as registered breed.

And that is far from the same thing.

Sanna

Import
 

Hi Sanna.

This is the official statement of the Board of the Swedish Kennel Club
written in Swedish. I've asked Tonje on this list to translate it in her
fluent English.

Varghybrider godkanns ej i Sverige, Pressmeddelande, Svenska
Kennelklubbens Centralstyrelse 97-04-29
Svenska Kennelklubbens Centralstyrelse har beslutat att tv=E5 olika typer av
sk varghybrider, d v s korsningar mellan varg och hund, varken ska f=E5
registreras eller delta i verksamheter som arrangeras inom Svenska
Kennelklubben - trots att varghybriderna blivit godkanda utanf=F6r Sverige.
Bakgrunden till beslutet ar att tv=E5 hundraser som kan betraktas som
varghybrider godkants f=F6r registrering inom FCI (Federation Internationale
Cynelogique). FCI ar den internationella kennelorganisation som Svenska
Kennelklubben tillh=F6r. Det normala ar att Svenska Kennelklubben godkanner
de hundraser som godkandts av FCI. Beslutet innebar ett avsteg fr=E5n
gallande praxis.
Den ena av de aktuella raserna kommer fr=E5n f d Tjeckoslovakien, kallas
ceskoslovensky vlcak, och anses vara mycket skygg och vaksam. Den godkande s
interimistiskt av FCI 1992. Den andra rasen ar fr=E5n Holland, kallas
saarloos woolfhond, och har ett mycket reserverat och sjalvstandigt satt.
Den har blivit slutgiltigt godkand av FCI. B=E5da raserna ar mycket lika
vargen ocks=E5 till det yttre. Svenska Kennelklubben har tidigare tagit
definitivt avst=E5nd fr=E5n icke-registrerade varghybrider. Bl a i remisssvar
och i ett policybeslut som innebar att varghybrider inte till=E5ts delta i
n=E5gra verksamheter inom organisationen. Detsamma galler f=F6r den s k
pitbullterriern. En av anledningarna till det starka avst=E5ndstagandet fr =E5n
dessa rasblandningar ar en vasentligt =F6kad risk f=F6r skador p=E5 manniskor och
andra djur.

Per Olav

Import
 

Yes, that is a very good question that I have asked them. They cannot give a good answer to it. Personally I think that they have been told what to do by the authorities who are afraid of anything that has to do with wolves.

When I was in contact with both the kennel club and the agricultural office here they would do anything to avoid the question, and was not very easy to get something out of nor very friendly...but at last I got the F5-answer.

If there is any other information about these breeds being banned here I would certainly be interested in sharing them, until then I will rely on that the answers I have gotten from the people in charge are correct. So - if you know of anything else, please let me know. I am preparing for trips abroad to study the CSV and would very much like to know of any information that would concern this if I decide to bring a puppy home.

Sanna

Import
 

Thank you, and yes - I have seen it before. But still I dont think they give a good answer to the fact that they do not follow decisions made by the FCI. What they say here is about the same that the norwegian authorities claim, which depends on lack of knowledge abour these breeds.

And as said before - the fact that the swedish kennel club does not accept them and wont let them take part in activities organized by the club is not the same as that the breeds are banned from importation.

Sanna

Import
 

Hi Sanna.

Yes, it's an odd situation. The Government accept the breed, The Kennel
Club does not.

Import
 

Right. That's the reason why I wrote "there are problems" :)

Greetings,
Margo

The press notice from the Board of The Swedish Kennel Club
 

Hi all.

These are the Swedish Kennel Club arguments for not accepting the CSV and SW :

Wolf hybrids not approved in Sweden. Press notice from the Board of the
Swedish Kennel Club 97-04-29.
The Board of the Swedish Kennel Club has decided that two different types of
socalled wolf hybrids, i.e. crosses between wolf and dog, neither will be
allowed registration or participation in activities arranged by the Swedish
Kennel Club - even though the wolf hybrids have been recognized outside
Sweden. The basis for the decision is that two dog breeds that can be
regarded as wolf hybrids, have been accepted for registration in the FCI
(Federation Internationale Cynelogique). FCI is the international kennel
organisation of which the Swedish Kennel Club is a member. In general the
Swedish Kennel Club recognizes dog breeds recognized by FCI. The decision
constitutes a divergence from normal practise.
One of the breeds in question comes from former Czechoslavakia, is called
ceskoslovensky vlcak and is considered very shy and watchful. It was given an
interrim approval by the FCI in 1992. The other breed is from the Netherlands,
is called saarloos woolfhond, and has a very reserved and independent manner.
This breed has a final FCI approval. Both breeds are very similar to the wolf,
also exterior wise. The Swedish kennel Club has previously taken a definite
position against non-registered wolf hybrids, through, eg.
"remisssvar"(written and posted answers?) and in a policy decision not to
allow wolf breeds to participate in any activities within the organisation.
The same applies to the socalled pitbull terrier. One of the reasons for the
strong dissociation from these breedmixes, is a considerably increased risk of
harm to people and other animals.

---
Per Olav

Import
 

it seems that 'little red riding hood syndrome' has a lot to answer for.
these people don't want facts, they base all their thoughts on fairy tails
and heresay!
laura
ps. if anyone knows of a breeder willing to keep a pup for export to the UK.
please let me know, i am willing to pay costs etc

The press notice from the Board of The Swedish Kennel Club
 

Wow. Then maybe other countries should also reconsider the option to ban the
Swedish breed called Swedish Vallhund which exactly looks like a wolf but
with genetic problem which cause short legs. The Swedish kennel club has no
idea about our breeds and I have no idea about Swedish Vallhund but I assume
that they are very aggresive and can be dangerous to other dogs and people
because they look like a wolf. Sorry but I see no other solution but to ban
Swedish Vallhund. ;)))))))))))))))

Greetings,
Przemek

Import
 

Maybe this is a little bit beside the subject of the list but still it has to do with what we have to fight against.

At one of the "hatred-meetings" against the wolf that I visited recently one of the hunters even seriously referred to this fairy tale as being a source of fact to wolves praying on children...

Sanna

The press notice from the Board of The Swedish Kennel Club
 

Agree. ;-) But the fact remains that the ones with power lacks knowledge, and it is very hard to change that, especially with a hundreds of years of hatred of the wolf.

In Sweden and Norway haters publish articles about "wolf-hybrids" (and here they refer to SWH and CSV among mixes wolf/dog) being let out in nature forming packs and attacking sheep and possibly people. Some of the ignorant people with power believes that there is some truth in this propaganda. I believe this could affect the possibilities of these breeds being banned in both countries in the future.

Sanna

The press notice from the Board of The Swedish Kennel Club
 

we used to suffer the same here in the uk with our Northern inuit dogs, but
whenever i go anywhere with mine now i get stopped and kids always want a
cuddle with 'the wolfie' i find children far more accepting than most adults
and sometimes they have far more knowledge.
we do have writers changing the childrens stories.we now have 'the 3 little
wolves and the big bad pig' . more are changing so it shows that public
opion has changed a lot.
we can only hope that our children will be well informed about what is
truely dangerous and what is a well known family dog.
beleive me, this breed eg. CzW & SW) would in no way be shunned or banned in
the uk.
laura

The press notice from the Board of The Swedish Kennel Club
 

Yes, this is true - but until these kids are the ones who is in charge, the problem remains for both wolves and wolfdogs. I dont think our wolves can survive until then (because they are poor genetically and cant get new blood because of the iron wall called Lapland) and I certainly dont want the wolfdogs to be banned all this time. The problem Per Olav has been discussing for some time now is more than likely to spread to Sweden if it comes true.

Sanna

The press notice from the Board of The SwedishKennel Club
 

That's right Sanna

The major concern of the Norwegian Kennel Club and their professionals is
the lack of knowledge by the legislators.
It's like the legislators drawing a horisontal line on a white sheet of
paper, - every breed above the line is accepted and those below are banned.
The Norwegian Ministry of Justice is looking to the Swedish dog
policy. The Norwegian haters of wolves are referring to the SKK and its
policy regarding the CSV and SW and hereby suggest that the Swedish
governmental dog policy is identical with the one of the SKK . Just a few
are aware of the difference.

It is my personal anticipation that the Norwegian legislators will be in
favour of the policy of the SKK unless a radical change of view is observed
by the SKK. According to a mail received from the Chairman of the Board of
the SKK this is unlikely to happen. As a reply to his answer I today have
questioned the SKK of the professional principles of valuation of which the
SKK has based its denial of registration regarding these two breeds. Maybe
this should be done by a few more?

If the Norwegian government is endorsing this new law where a ban of
wolfdogs is included, our neighbour contry Sweden will be the next one to
suffer. When auditing the Swedish dog law the Swedish legislators
inevitably will look to Norway.....

---
Per Olav

The press notice from the Board of The Swedish Kennel Club
 

Exactly, this is what most probably will happen. And I fear that the norwegian people already have contacts about this with the swedes, which will encourage the norwegians further to ban the breeds, because this is what the swedish legislators have been wanting to do in years. In other words - if this proposal in Norway runs through, the whole Scandinavia will be both wolf- and wolfdogfree. At least officially.

You suggest Per Olav, that more people will ask the SKK about the reasons for their policy. This may be a good idea, but dont expect any straight answers. I have been trying to get some answers about this question
several times. Either they dont answer at all, or they send you a short notice drawn from their official text as the one you sent here before. No explanation at all, and if you percist, they become dead silent.

Sanna

Elementary questions
 

Excuse my ignorance, but is Tjeckia and Slovakia members of the EU or EFTA? And which generation is the CSV considered as a breed? This is important to know in contacts with the authorities.

Sanna

Elementary questions
 

Hi.
As Sanna writes, this may be a question of importance.
As both the Swedish and the Norwegian Governments accept the FCI
regulations, the F5 generation of a wolf/dog cross is regarded as pure breed.
The Saarloos wolfhounds kept in Norway are verified F7. What about the
F-number(s) of the present Czechoslovakian Wolfdogs?

Even so, the Swedisk Kennel Club in its press release states:
- The Board of the Swedish Kennel Club has decided that two different types
of socalled wolf hybrids, i.e. crosses between wolf and dog, neither will
be allowed registration or participation in activities arranged by the
Swedish Kennel Club - even though the wolf hybrids have been recognized
outside Sweden. The basis for the decision is that two dog breeds that can
be regarded as wolf hybrids, have been accepted for registration in the
FCI (Federation Internationale Cynelogique). FCI is the international
kennel organisation of which the Swedish Kennel Club is a member. In
general the Swedish Kennel Club recognizes dog breeds recognized by FCI.
The decision constitutes a divergence from normal practise.

Please note that the SKK consistently is misnaming the two breeds as hybrids.

Elementary questions
 

The principle is that all CzWs should be F5. It usually so that the CzWs in
Slovakia are more related to the wolves than the Czech CzWs. CzWs in Czech
Republic are usually F7-F8 (with few that are F5) but in Slovakia there are
many dogs that are strong related to Rep z PS which was F3 and are F5-F6. I
know even about one CzW in Slovakia (and maybe there are a few more) that is
F4. But the average is F7-F8 I think. But you should remember that with
every few years the F average will be increase... I mean that in let say 10
years the average will be maybe F9-F10.

Greetings,
Przemek

Elementary questions
 

Small correction... CzWs should be F5 or _higher_.

Elementary questions
 

If they are F8 they should be "free" from the minimum 1% .. unless there is
wolfblood on both sides, and then you have to ADD the 2 before you divide,
thus keeping the % much higher ;(

Elementary questions
 

Hi.

Most interesting.
Next question: How to get an official verification of the present average
F-number of the breed?

Per Olav

Elementary questions
 

Hi.

Another elementary question - and please explain very slooowly because thats
what I have to do when talking to the legislator of the Ministry of Justice
;.).
Like me he knows nothing of genetics and like me have to be explained the
basics of breeding in a very simple way :-).

When a wolf/dog breeding programme is terminated, ending with the F5
generation, how do interbreeding withtin the same F-generation result in
generations of a higher F-number?

Elementary questions
 

I am not sure how they do things in Europe (that is why I am here, to learn
;-) but in the USA they divide the % by 1/2 .. in other words, if the
"wolfdog" is only an F3 he would be considered 12.5% and if bred to a dog,
the pups would be 6.25 or F4 but if he was bred to and F4, then you would add
the 6.25 and the 12.5 to total 18.75 since any breeding only gets "half" from
each parent, they would then divide this by half to state that the pups are
only 9.37 (less then 10%) but could be as high as 18.75 if they inherited
more "wolf blood" from their parents. So in other words .. there is no exact
% for each pup .. one could be only 5% while his littermate is 15% (in
reality)
as to the F factor, this would be difficult to analyze if you want to be very
accurate.

Elementary questions
 

I suspect that Per-Olav means that if you cross between only F5 dogs, the litter must also be F5? Unless you cross with a dog of "no" wolfblood. Or does every generation since pure wolf increase the F with one, independent on the proportion of wolfblood?

Sanna

Elementary questions
 

Yes, Sanna, that's my point.
If a F5 is crossed with another F5, the result will be....?

Per Olav

Chairman of the Board of the Swedish Kennel Club says:
 

Hi.

This is a translation of a mail from the Chairman of the Board of the
Swedish Kennel Club:

Hello,

The only reason is the still ongoing debate in Sweden, regarding wolves and
the breeding of wolf mixes. As you probably are aware of, the leading
politicians in our two countries have a differing point of view concerning
wolf, and the Swedish Kennel Club chose for a number of years ago, to take a
stand against the beginning breeding of various wolf crosses and therefore as
a consequence of this, made the decision regarding the two FCI breeds that
have inbreeding of wolf in todays' stud book.
Ulf

---
Per Olav

CzWs in Sweden ?
 

Hello !!
I found out about this breed about a year ago now and I was completely stunned with its looks and all the great stories about their intelligence and all sorts of things (not so stunned by some doggs destructvie behaviour though = ) So well i contacted the Swedish Kennel Clubs to ask some quesions. They said that i couldnt register a CzW in the Kennel CLub and also said they were probably illegal because they were hybrids. I got pretty pissed cause the persons attitude got really bad as sonn as I mentioned the CsW. I was really dissapointed cause this is the kind of dog i always wanted. So the next day i called up Jordbruksverket ( sort of an athority dont konw what its called in english though) and asked the same quetions. They told me that they are legal and for a dog to be a "wolfhybrid" there has to be wolfblood in the last 4 generations. She was really nice and even mailed me the papaerwork required for importing a CsW. So when I´m moving back home (live in New Zealand right now) i will probaly get a dog, always loved them but my dad is an allergic so= (. so here to the questions !!

Does anyone konw about any CsW in sweden ?

Would it be wiser to start out with another breed of dog ( i like other dogs too so = ) to gain some experience before make friends with one of these beautyful dogs ?

Also is it possible to compare the CsW with any other breed, things like behaviour and maybe hoe hard it is to raise, for example is it as troubely as some Pitbulls (after what i´ve heard and read so no offence) or does this differ from each individual?

Kind regards
Jacob

Hello,

I live in Finland, and i am breeder of Ceskoslovensky and a Saarloos Wolfhond. I am wondering comment you get from agricultur ministry about ceskoslovensky in Sweden, cause about a month ago they said to my friend that it is illegal. And our kennelclub said same, as i asked about to going dogshows in Sweden with my wolfdogs. it has been said that
saarloos and ceskoslovensky are forbidden in Sweden as a breeds,
not as an hybrids.
like example Fila Brasileiro and Pit Bulls are forbidden in Norway.
(I have Fila too, so i know) If you have some info as "blackon white" i would like to know a person who gave it to you, and contact it personally, cause to get with wolfdogs in Sweden would be very nice for us too. Can you tell me who was the person you speak with?

Kind regards; Suski, Kennel WolfSirius, Finland

It is not illeagal to have a CW or a SWH in Sweden, but the Kennel Club doesnt register it. Since the Kennel Club organize the shows I guess it cannot be exposed at a show in Sweden. Even US-wolfdogs (unregistred) are in Sweden.

Fenris.

Hi Jacob

I would recommend you to begin with another breed than CsV. In Sweden there is widespread prejudice against CsVs as we all know all too well. So, if you really like a breed; don’t take one before you have more experience with dogs generally. It is no good for a CsV Breed if you get into trouble with you CsV in Sweden. First dog’s owners always make mistakes and cause problems and if your dog happens to be a CsV people will be judging you and you dog much harder than they would if you dog were one of another breed. You cannot compare a CsV and Pitbull , they are so completely different breeds. CsV is very “original” breed and these dogs are behaving very “naturally” in canine way, and well, I would say that a pitbull is the opposite – a very manmade creature that has not much left of its canine origin.

Minna

Thanks for your replies !
First of to Suski. I think what Fenris says is the case, atleast i know that they aren´t illegal. Sorry but i don´t remember the persons name. I might have it stored in my old computer, but it´s back in Sweden so i can´t get it until June=(

Minna, thanks for your information. I totally agree with you about starting out with an "easier" breed. It wouldn´t only be the best thing for me but also for the dog so that i could care for it properly and give it proper training. Do wolfdogs work well wih "polarbears" such as Malamutes or Elkhounds? or is that also a matter of individualism. Kind a like those breeds as well. Huskies and malamutes are common over here in NZ so i run in to those pretty often and I recently saw two elkhound pups, never heard of them before, so i looked tehm up. Also really beautiful dogs !

I didn´t mean if you could compare them as dogs= ) what I meant was, si it as hard to raise and train a CzW as some and socialize Pitbulls or Dobermanns or whatever(just an example)? or instead let me but it tjis way, is it comparable to any other breed in mathers such as training and socializing ?

Also is there any good books i can read about their behaviour and how i should treat and train a Czw ?

I guess thats what i really like about th CzWs, as you said, their natural apperance. In my eyes they´re the ideal dog and all the stories about their intelligence and personalities just facinates me. I also saw some movieclips from a breeder in Poland. Beautiful !

Again, thanks for your replies
Jacob

I understand you quite well Jacob. Huskies, Malamutes and wolfdogs do have similar qualities. They all look natural and original. One of the problemes with wolfdogs in Sweden will be the dense population of "wild game" in that region. It can be difficult to suppress the hunting instincs in a wolfdog. Even if the dog gets used to domestic animals, they can change in a moment when running off-leash in the woods.

Although as a first-dog owner you would not have to be re-learned as many other dogowners must be when aquiring a wolfdog. Read, learn, visit serious wolfdogowner and take the challange. But take 2, not only 1. What about a shepherd and a CW.

I asked a question about using a wired muzzle on this forum without any replies. I use a wired muzzle on my dog when he is running off-leash in elk, reindeer, moose areas. Even if the dog is well trained it will never be safe among "wild game".

Fenris

Thank You Fenris

Yeah we seem to have about the same Ideals about dogs !

Yes Wildgame, well in Sweden i live as far down South as possible so I would have to leave my county and go to for example Halland to see anything else than Wildboars and Deer. So ther´s no elk or moose. but then i would reallly enjoy some wood hiking up north with my dog or dogs and to get to the really big woods i have to go a bit up north in the country where there are big game. So thanks for pointing this out for, i hadn´t thought about that at all

I´ve seen some people using a muzzle on their dogs all the time when they go which i don´t like and woud never do to my own dog, but in this case when the dog is running around freely around animals which they actually see as potential food (or, am i wrong) i actually agree with you on the Muzzle. Also i think if a dog would kill for example a boar or a deer in Sweden it would get in deep trouble. I´m gonna look in to laws and stuff regarding that.

And about having 2 dogs, thats why i asked if CzWs go good along with for example a Elkhound or a malamute.

Also came up with a pretty intresting question with the whole thing with letting your CzW of leash in the woods. What would happen if it would run into a Wolf or a Pack of Wolves? Would the wolves attack ? If they wouldn´t attack will my CzW change somehow mentally by seeing "real" wolves or meeting them ? Maybe a stupid question but i think it kind a interesting, but I barely know anything about dogs just yet so.

Also how many wolfdoggenertaions have passed since the last pure wolf was in teh "breedingline"?

Thanks
Jacob

I have had both huskies and wolfdogs. The huskies are much more zealous hunters than the wolfdogs. The huskies do not conserve their energy in contrary to the rationalism of the wolfdogs that restrict the effort they put in the hunting. Huskies can run at speed for hours. The wolfdogs prefer to stay in contact with their owners.

A wolfdog will not run off-leash in the woods on its own. You should alway keep your dog in a communicating distance. As long as being around its owner wolves will not be a threat to your dogs. Hunting dogs that runs for hours away from their owner (practised in norway and sweden) with tails up (domination sign) and barking will be attacked by wolves, -killed.

I met a wolf once. It was a single wolf. It was afraid of my dogs and run away from them (with my dogs running behind for a short distance).
I have seen tracks of wolves when running with my dogs, but they keep distance and out of sight.

Fenris

Okay. Thanks for your reply, it was very helpful.
Ofcourse i understand that will have to keep a short distance and have my eyes on the dog but i meant what if the dog picks up the scent of fo example a moose and takes off ? and i now realise that was sort of stupid anyway, cause if my dog wont obey me when i call it back ofcourse i can´t keep it off lease so.


But again thanks for your reply.

How to get a puppy over the border??
 

Hi there..

I woundering if anyone now how to get this breed over the border in the most safty way.. The breed is probleby illegal in my country, but if I would like to have one anyway, is there anyone who nows that this has hapend and how they did it??

How to get a CzW puppy over the border from one coutry to another by car and not get court??


// Sebastian

Re: How to get a puppy over the border??
 

Of course I don't know wich country borders you want to pass or if this dog is illegal in your country.
I passed without any problems several european borders with my CzW puppy (in my country a CsW is also not illegal )

Several times I passed borders by car with a puppy (CzW or other breed) The most important thing is to have papers of the right vacinations (for example rabies) and a health certificate of a vetinarian.

And I took care a pup was very tired before passing the border :mrgreen:
So a pup was always sleeping under a blanket when we passed. And I never showed his papers when they did not ask for it :cheesy:

greetings,
mijke

I guess, it's Sweden, and only problem with Sweden is not the breed,
but bigger problem is rabies test which you need for every dog, cause sweden is rabies free country, and this will take it's time (dog will be about 6-7 months old) before can take to sweden. And from any country, you even can't take puppy with test results directly there, from some countries it must stay 6 months at some other, (ex. puppy import from Italy, stayed 6 months at Denmark before went to Sweden)

Suski, FINLAND

Hi Mijke,

Thank you for your answer, I have talked to some breeders in Europe, even those whit another breed. And they say approximately the same thing.. Make the puppy a little bit tiered and assure that you have all the papers if the time comes and if you have to show them, but most of the time it proceeds without any problems.. You can just pass the border..
I have got the same answer from many breeders now.. Thank you..


Hello Suski,

Thank you for your answer, you may say that you almost got me there.. ;) You detective there.. *Smile* But in fact I haven't reach my computer in a couple of days so my friend had to use it and he asked the question for me so a could hope that someone had answered when I finally reach it.. And see, I did.. Thank you..
And I think this was the answer you gave me the last time we talked, I just had to find out what other breeders thought about this to take a puppy to a country were it is illegal to have this breed, but the person really wants this breed anyway.. Simply what chances he have to get one.. What I can see, no one now's if this breed really are illegal or not in my country, some say it's ok and some otherwise.. So maybe the only way is to do it illegal.. I just don't see another way here..

// L

Hello,
i guess, this will be good info for eveyone, Csv is LEAGAL momentally in sweden. (i get mail today from ministry in Sweden) It is true, that you can took it there. What is just unsure yet, is what say svenska kennelclub for showing or breeding. But, you can take csV over the border leagally. It's not easy with this breed cause rabies tests, but...LEAGAL!

Suski

CsV in Sweden (and SWH too)
 

Hello,
We asked about "wolfdogs" from Swedish Kennelclub, and here is answer directly copied;

Hej
> SKK har såväl utställnings- som tävlings- och
> registeringsförbud för
> ceskoslovensky vlcak och saarloos wolfhond.
>
> Vänliga hälsningar
> Ulla-Britt Karlmann
> SKKs Reg.avd

So, CsV and SwH have NO rights for register, showing, or any competition in Sweden. It would be interest to see how this all will manage, in WDS 2008 in SWEDEN.

-Suski, Finland

Yes thats the way it is.. sad but true..
SKK .. what a joke

Re: CsV in Sweden (and SWH too)
 

We also are thinking about it. Do they dare to not allow us to show our dogs? If they do not allow all FCI breeds to be showed on the shows they should in no way hold such important event as World Dog Show. We will have to ask Swedish Kennel Club later what do they plan to do with this.

If they really will make it impossible for CzWs and SWHs to apply for WDS we will all have to take some action - I think a petition sent to FCI officials and show organizers shouldn't go without answers.

Hello all Wolfdog frends !

I that it was up to me to wright someting about CsV in Sweden, sens i live
in Sweden whit one, Taabernakkelin Hronec sens 2007.

Import a SWH and CvS You have benabel to do sens sometime in 2004 I think but you culd not regestrait them in the Swedish Kennel Club.

But sens 29 of mars 2007 SWH and CsV are permited in the Swedish Kennel Club if thy are generation F5 or more.

And sens 1 jan 2008 you can compeat about nationall certification.
That probubley has someting to do whit that WDS-08 is knocking at the door :)

Best of luck to you all on WDS-08 / Mikael Wolfdog.se :)

One more CsV on the way to Sweden !!!
 

I just resiwed very happy news, for us in Sweden :):):)

One more CsV is on the way to the cold north, in the beginning of 2009...
To very good and responsible owners whit long dog experience and kennel :)

Very best regards / Mikael

very diffacult , but big step has been taken if now government except the breeds, in uk kennel club was ok as the breeds where recognised by FCI, but had to with draw my pedigrees because government would not ammend law, i hope it does not take as long as in uk, but our main form of fight was education to public, we put our dogs in magazines, papers, you may not be able to show dogs but there is no law that you can not take the dogs to outside of dog show area put up stand have your dogs and talk to people, let them see the dogs , get lots of people interested in breed, long hard education and promotion of the breeds will take you long way, you can set up meets in summer at local fairs, we have done all this and when you win the hearts of the people and get rid of the myths that seem to get attached to these breeds, you could also get letters from all breed clubs sent to kennel club for support, it is hard road and may take years rather than months but keep up the pressure and one day all will be o.k.,,, one issue i used and hit hard with was the alsation it is not much older than the saarloos but has wolf and was in 1908, i also had photo of Alsation wolfdog at uk kennel club show in 1932 owned by prince of wales,,,,,, i am not sure of this Swedish kennel club but if you have early photos of Alsations registered by kennel club these early dogs resembil the early CWS and can be used to question kennel club. one of our biggest hurdles to get through to Defra was that the CWS and Saarlloos are not the same as the wolfdogs in USA, for Defra was using most of its information from USA as there where no wolfdogs in uk. ...i wish you all the best in your fight for the breeds if you have big day to promote the CWS in Sweden i will bring some CWS and stand with you for support,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,Pacino

Hello Pacino

Thanks for your suport :)

But the CsV breed is allowed in Sweden by the Skk = Swedish kennel club, since 01 01 2008, thanks to that the Skk wonted to have the WDS and was force to recognice totaly 18 new breeds :):):)

Olav´s quote is from 2002 :rock_3

But the CsV is still not allowed in Norway, therefore Olav will need are suport !!!

Best regards / Mikael

And the SWH ?

Gr. Christa

I do not know about SWH in Norway :? ???

But I askt one SWH owner in Norway about it last week...
And got the info that SWH was allowed but not CsV :?

Maby Olav knows more about the present situation for SWH in Norway ???

Best regards / Mikael

6 month ago Norways kennelclub says both breed CZW and SWH are not welcome to Norway. Dog who live there can stay but no new dogs.

OK, thanks for the info Olav !

Best regards / Mikael

My first name is still Per and my middle name is Olav :)

Sorry :lol: in my e-mail box your name is Olav Wolfdog.no :lol:

Best regards / Mikael

You're forgiven :p

PO