X-ray results: Bono z Holstejna
 

And some HD results comming from Poland whitout x-rays??
http://www.wolfdog.org/dbase/d/9255
This dog doesn´t have x-rayed but time is next week and we can read results before x-rays :shock: GREAT! Thanks anyway! Where I can pay in this result?

I hope this wd database have all x-ray results in to document :roll:

BGRDS SATU owner of BONO z HOlSTEJNA and ELYS SPOD DUMBIERA ;-)

satu
 

maybe you will come to Italy to make xrays so it's obvious the dog is D anyware else.
It's called super efficiency: hd D dogs in another country are A or B in Italy so better but the RIGHT result before xrays are even made!
:twisted::twisted:

who is Anita? I think Anita is Admin!! :lol:
Or Admin is Anita?
Or Admita is Anmin?
:lol::lol:

Sorry but I have no idea what "Poland" and "Breeding Regulations Poland " have to do with your post. You should post it in "Administration" (I hope the moderator will move it)... :roll:

Things to be added to the database...
 

Hi all admins,
I have question. Can WD show us results of ED too?
You have datas from us about ED, but nobody can see it. For me it is not so important like HD result, but when people send you ED too, we want see it too.
Do you plane any change on WD database about it?
Thanks Hanka

Hanka ED results exist and moore few year. I make ED in 2003 to my first wolfdog and this are publish in WD. Why You not see this i not know but this are in alls dogs info.

example:

http://girios-dvasia.wolfdog.org/gal...re_%281%29.JPG
http://girios-dvasia.wolfdog.org/gal...272&fullsize=1

I know. I mean this window:
http://www.wolfdog.org/dbase/d/710
There is place for publicing HD and Ed resluts too. And people will not open page with info about every dog separatelly.

You can play with the stat tool ("Find breeder"), all infos gathered in one page for breeders, some exemples:

Rimaityte, Daiva (Girios dvasia) : http://www.amicale-chien-loup-tcheco...os%20dvasia%29

Kaufmanová, Hana (od Úhošt? ): http://www.amicale-chien-loup-tcheco...%C5%A1t?%20%29

Peron, Margo (z Peronówki) : http://www.amicale-chien-loup-tcheco...on%C3%B3wki%29

Soukupová, Monika (z Molu Es ) : http://www.amicale-chien-loup-tcheco...olu%20Es%20%29


- NB: the best way to use "Find breeder" is to type the last name (or its first letters), and then on the column BREEDER click on the desired breeder name, this would give the good match.

but is problematik click in dogs name and see moore info and ED too? :) Yes can be, but for my not make problem and this who are now. maybe and others people not very interesing about ED, and not mas this info be in first page.

or used Elf method ( Elf You are great )

It is not, of course. But better is to see it on First seeing, when you open info about kennel, for example. You know, czech clubb will want ED from all dogs, so it can be nice to see it beside HD results. But if it is not possible.......So nothing.
Elf, thanks for info and "navigation", you are always more clever than much "PC amateurs" :lol::lol:

Be careful Hanka with asking for such "improvements", or you might be accused of witch hunting :rock_3:lol::lol::lol:

OK, thanks for advice :lol:

Hello Hanka

I just want to ask if ED is now a demand for breeding in Czech, just like HD ???

And I agree I want this info on the first page to if possible :)

Very best regards / Mikael

Yes, we plan to include different reports (also the showing ED results) in the new prepared database.

Hi Mikael, in this moment no. But we want speak about it on next club conferention. I hope all breeding dogs in czech will must have ED too.

Stolen photos
 

Is very nice to see stolen photos in this site. Admin I hope you have permission to do that.

I have not given authorization to release the picture so could you please remove it? dog name is Basior Jantarowa Wataha.

Next time you can ask if you want to use my photos. See you in the facebook...;-)

Sorry for the qestion, but... are you ashamed of your dog or what?.. :roll: I can't see any other reason to be so angry that a photo of your male is seen for other wolfdog owners :roll:

I`m not ashamed of the dog. It is a really good dog. (Thank you Ela!) Sooner I shame practices of this site. And image theft is a crime! Leave the matter to the police.

I think at least one photo / dog is required if you want to be on the breeders listing. If admin take away the photo, he might also take you away from the breeders list ??? :roll:

Way do you not send some photos of your own, that you think are OK ???

But I understand and can agree, I do not want others to add photos on my dogs neither, aseptically not my own photos from my own site ;)

Best regards / Mikael

Why your girlfriend does not put even a grown one picture?

If Admin have time to stol pics in facebook she can take time to make real data, I think?

Why my dogs have HD results in WD.org? who have sendind copy of that paper?? not me....

Satu, I do agree it´s wrong to just take and put up a photo ;)

Is it the right or wrong HD result ??? :roll:

Best regards / Mikael

Wrong as usully...
My new puppy is not in my list and no pics...hmmm

Other breeders have taken contact about puppylist...and pics.
Updates take time I know but also it takes my time to put pics in this site. Sorry.

Margo explained me the problems which the breeder has with this litter and why she don't want to have the photos of her puppies published - now it is also clear to me. I'm sorry for putting this photo online - I will remove it from the database during the next update.

I am not interested in people's personal conflicts or problems and I hope that they would not race ahead.

I received no reply mystical healthresult in wd??

add..
 

Excellent work Admin! :o

Can you but my dogs back in my kennel....

Elys and Bono...haves wrong owner.

What happened to owner of Uno & Xtreme z Molu Es ?

Why don`t they have any owner ?

I think No dog has any owner right now...

The database is under reconstruction.
If the breeder still owns the dog they bred, they are the owner, but if there is a new owner like you and me, we are not re-added yet.

Best regards / Mikael

Hello,



A lot of breeding kennel are deleted in France, as mine... and also owners data... Incredible, no way to contact people now...

Mine kennel is "Z Orel Ochrana".

I am part of the few french owners with bonitation made, sent some HD results, and i have active female in the kennel...

Do you have a good explanation of what appened with my datas ?

When i sent some informations about puppies... nothing is made...

I would like to know if you could change that in a few ...

Thanks.

Thats funny because all brothers and sisters of my dogs have owners...
and they should be just as "new" as I am !

X ADMIN:

Dear Admin
I'm Roberto from Italia owner of Storm Arimminum,Layla Zlata Palz,Anish Pura Gioia.I just sent you several e-mail but without any answer concerning my dogs and my kennel.
At this moment information about owner (I) of my dogs are missing.Is not possible to see that I'm owner and breeder of my dogs.
Please can you explane me reason and what can I do?
Thank you in advance
Roberto

OK, that is strange :ehmmm

But I´m very sure they will add us again very soon ;)
And the missing kennels to.

Best regards / Mikael

Because we don't own the dogs - they own us!! :lol:

Originally posted by Mikael:

"But I´m very sure they will add us again very soon ;)
And the missing kennels to."

I hope so very much too !

Best greetings , Silvester

ain"t that the truth!!! ;)

I am still waiting for your answer about database ADMIN...

Are you able to list me as breeder right now ?

I wrote special message for the moderarators on administation forum to spread the info between the users on all version:

One of the hard discs on the server crashed and we lost part of the datas. It caused that some breeders, stud dogs and owners has been removed.
It should work fine again soon when we will upload the new version of the database...

The information which was in the database before will appear there again. And all the problems will be fixed.

Dear Admin
thank you for this information.
Ciao
Roberto

Hin admin, (maybe Daiva?) Can you tell me why somebody gives on WD gallery something similar like is this foto? Why? Is it interest? Nice? Or what was target of it? I don´t understand.....
http://www.wolfdog.org/drupal/cs/gallery/pic/143604/

in this meeting I NOT make foto. And I not know who send foto in WD. for this I not can reply in Your question.

dear hanka, can you explain what's wrong with this photo? :oops: i gave these photos, it's from our meeting in russia. by the way, congratulations, we made x-rays for wonderful and she's healthy :look2

Hi, now I see all is OK. It is NOT my puppy Wonderfull, but photo was in her gallery. Now it is out from her gallery. Thanks to somebody who removed it.
I am happy about her HD A result, thank you ;-)

one more question to admin. how did these hd and ed results appear in database when this dog has no official or even unofficial evaluation? http://wolfdog.org/rus/dbase/d10531.html are some privite discussions enough to add all gossips to database? please tell me. some persons are sure that my farn has bad hd. let's add hd d or e to him, why not? ;) i'm guilty because this "info" came from my side. was it done to make liidia fight with me? we all know under what circumstances i told it. i'm very proud that my word can substitute official evaluation, but...

To Admin
 

Thanks for the latest update :) look´s like everything is back in order :thumbs

Excellent work, best regards / Mikael

And also the feature of calculating the COI is functioning again (breeding tool/puppy tool included); thanks for it! Unfortunately however (still) without the possibility of calculating on ALL generations, only until the 10th generation. beyond that, an error occurs. Admin: will the possibility of calculating on ALL generations come back?

Regards

Thank you for the great work !

Database - please add
 

Hi admin, I have question: when I open some planned litter, I can see info about both parents. In past i could to see wright, % of wolf blood and ancestor loss coeficient. And now, when somebody works on new database- will we can see it again?
Thanks Hanka

re
 

Dear Admin,
i had clc since 1999, i breed this race with great results, i send you all the informations about my puppies and owners, i send you several hd results, i'm Fci breeder, i send you my news litters,i send you e-mail, but i don't understand why my kennel isn't in database (italia)...there are also several "pseudo breeder" instead.
Thank you for your answer.
Greating, Simona Olim Palus Kennel.

Dear Admin :)
Few days ago I added some photos of Elroy van Hiemrod, but there is still no photo of this dog on the database... Did I do something in wrong way?.. :roll: Usually I succeed in adding photos, but seems like not this time :D :oops:
Thanks for the answer :)

Where is HD ?
 

May be I'm wrong, but in database when you see list of offsprings is only visible the bonitation code and not the hip display.

It's me remembering bad or something changed ?
---------

Could be useful and nice a direct connection from photos gallery to database as it was in old days.

How long it takes again??
 

Why updating takes so long again?

Dogshow results from Finland? Planned litters?

Hello Admin,

Now that forum member Elf indicated he decided not to update his statistics tool anymore, when can we expect the puppy tool / inbreeding calculator (on all generations) of wolfdog itself in function again?
These are features that are unique and particularly useful for breeders; even essential as part of responsible breeding. It's dysfunctional for months now! Also dates the last update of the general database statistics area of 2008!

Wouldn't it be a fantastic idea to integrate the statistics tool of Elf into wolfdog? He has already offered his help!

Thanks in advance for your reply!

Of course it would be. The problem is that the Wolfdog database is no more developed (only updated from time to time). First in the new version there will be possible to make such changes....

Hello Admin,

Thanks for your quick reply; that sounds promising!

Can the regular inbreeding/puppy calculator of wolfdog itself not be repaired as an interim solution, as it always has functioned (on all generations) until several months? Or am I being too impatient and must we therefore also wait for the new version?

Kind regards

Wolfdog.org website crash !!!
 

CAN WE HELP YOU ???

Sad regards / Mikael

Is it a crash? I thought it parts were down because of the announced database updates....

No, it was a crash :cry:

But THANKS ADMIN for restore the Planned Litter in under 24h :klatsch

Very best regards / Mikael

Then.. we will have to wait.. but for a good sake. ;)

Absolutely !!! But at lest we still have the forum :0)

And the Planned Litter to :0) + info about Coming events...

It is (just) the Database that did crash, and there are backups on all data...
So I´m not that worried, in a few weeks all be as normal or even better :0)

We just need to be patient and understanding + helpful if we can...

In the mean time you can find the data here in elf´s statistic tool
>>> http://www.amicale-chien-loup-tchecoslovaque.com/cgi-bin/form.py

Very best regards / Mikael

If there is anything any of us can help - please, don't stay silent.
I have some free time at this time of year 8)

Dear Admin <3 Can you also update my emil, adress and phone info.

Mikael,

I think the main value of this page is the database and not the planned litters...............
But now, as you will have pups of course your personal interest is this part....hahahahaha


Edit

Nop Edit that is not it :lol:

but I´m happy that the forum, planned litter and coming events works !!!

+ I agree the data is nr 1, but the forum is the fun ;)

And as you did miss it... I give you the link again TO THE WOLFDOG,ORG statistic DATA >>> >>> http://www.amicale-chien-loup-tchecoslovaque.com/cgi-bin/form.py

Very best regards / Mikael

Yes, it will be done (if you sent it). Today the update will be done. Finally.

We are waiting for the new system - after it the work will start.

What we need at the moment are your (forum members') suggestions what was missing for you on the old page. ANY suggestion is welcome - not only about big parts but also about all details - it will help us to make the site better.

Looking forward to the new wolfdog.org!

Here's a small thing I noticed: On the front page there is a Photo of the Moment. Whenever you click on that photo it brings you to a bigger version of the picture, and on top you can link to that dog's whole photo gallery. It would be nice if there were some way to add the link also from Gallery to the dog's database entry (with father, mother, HD results, etc etc) without going to "Find a Dog" and searching.

I know from the dog's database entry you can link to their gallery, but is it possible to make it from gallery to database entry, too?

Or maybe it exists, and I don't see it? :oops:

Also: Maybe a space to enter date of death and cause if known. Right now the red X just means the dog is deceased, but without a date or a cause.

No there is old info...

can you tell email addres where i can send all info again?
I have added new litter and new info there also I have sended email to [email protected]

how hard is it to read? or is your involvement hear limited to your ego and announcements.

http://www.wolfdog.org/forum/showthread.php?t=16500

Aah you are Admin! Thanks any way! I don´t stay here 24/7 and I read only forum infos in my email, not in here. ;)

Yes, this two proposal are good things to add I think :0)
I have bean thinking on them to ;0) And I know other has to...

Very best regards / Mikael

Hi admin, please when you will have a little time, can you change main photos of these dogs?:
Zenith Od Uhoste
http://www.wolfdog.org/drupal/cs/gallery/pic/154274/

Y-Hati Od Uhoste
http://www.wolfdog.org/drupal/cs/gallery/pic/155216/

Xtraa Od Uhoste
http://www.wolfdog.org/drupal/cs/gallery/pic/151692/

Thank you very much.

And also for

Wolfy von Konigs-Terry

http://www.wolfdog.org/drupal/en/gallery/pic/147541/

Many thanks :)

Hi admin, can you please change these main photos what I wrote you last time?
And- second question: I try to upload first photos of my fresh pups. Pups are in database (it looks). But when I send new-first photos to gallery I see they are not there. So: must I repeat it later? Or - are these photos somewhere in system and when will database work- will be photos in gallery? What I can do now?

I think You can upload photo in this http://www.wolfdog.org/drupal/lt/wolfdog/gallery-add
and photo search in this same photo gallery system. Later when fixed WD dogs have personaly photo id dogs page, like and this photo who you can a change.

I did it by this way.

I have the same problem too - I cannot add picture of some of the puppies, but can for others???:?

Hi admin, I have once again question to you: can you change main photo of my male Dero Sotis? Because main photo what is there now is really terrible. I wish this photo, thank you. I named this photo "main photo". (because in gallery is few similar photos).
http://www.wolfdog.org/temp/1299489266-908547.jpg


http://www.wolfdog.org/temp/1299489266-908547.jpg

up .......

There seems to me to be unacceptable the manipulation that is given and the justification that they give us. There continue appearing only the events that interest the administrators. Only the qualifications are added to the dogs that are interested and to the rest not.

Congratulations administrators, you are destroying in a little time what has been late many years in be creating.
The people already do not believe in this project. They give themselves litters and already they are not notified, there exist many dogs that already do not appear in database, dogs that deserve to be and they are not.
Soon they will be more those who do not figure in the list that that if.

Congratulation!!

maybe a few people and not believe, or this who make a manipulation. from others all are good.
p.s. I am too from this people who have not actualised photo galery my puppy or not have results from dog show, but not cry :)

This is a purely voluntary project, done out of interest and consideration of CsV. Who are you to criticize this personal project?

If it should please you to create your own database, then by all means..

In the mean time, my dog is listed by an incorrect name, without an owner, and without any photos. But, I realize that sometimes there are more things to do than updating this site. If my information should ever be updated, I should be grateful. If not, not a problem.

The sense of entitlement boggles my mind. Admin is not accountable to me in any way; after all, I don't pay taxes to them, do I?

hi
this is a free site but also an open forum.
I believe it is one's right to express his feelings and disappointment, isn't it not?

I have similar feelings but don't complain, my life is miles away from any internet site... but i don't think we should repraise those who do complain.

Wolfdog.org is not anymore what it used to be, this is a fact.
Many old users (amongst which myself) offered to help if necessary.
Now all of this is not important anymore...considering the things happening in our breed... the whole wolfdog breed is, to my eyes, totally different to what it used to be.
massimo

Certainly that is a private project but since it influences? Much.
If someone wants to consult a copy it looks at the web and what it puts gives it good, and if a dog is champion and they do not put it the people do not believe it.
Entendería that there were failures, is normal, but what I do not understand is that alone it puts on the information that is interested and for the rest of information it is said that the web does not work. It is to lie.
I do not pay taxes ...... but this web is kept with private information mia, yours and of the others ..... neither they pay us truth?

OK, you have right to your opinion of course.

I have faith someday soon WD will be running again and updated. :cool:

pedrocalle
if wolfdog is so bad as you say, what are you still doing here? :lol:

This opinion has not gone out of my mouth.
What I try to say is that the page, the project and the idea is very good but the manipulation of some or some administrators it is bad

If I am mistaken please that someone explains to me ésto: If the web is broken and they cannot put information for what some information that interest some few ones if they enter?

If nobody could update photos and information of my dogs I would not cry either
But ... if your you could not update information and I if, what would seem to you?

Ciao Massimo,

good that you're still alive...
This is exactly my opinion and the reason why our next dog is a hunting dog, a Poodle Pointer.

Cheers,
Michael

Margo wrote it some time ago, so I'm only repeating: WD is not one entity. It consists of several tools: the database with certified info, which only the Admin can access, the forum, information section (which is broken - we cannot read the articles), gallery, etc. All these sections have to be compatible, but some data visible on the site do not come from the main database. That's why some show results/photos etc. are added earlier than others - they do not require operations on the "raw" database and are being updated by several people (moderators?:?) Contrary to what some of you say, data of wd owners' dogs and pups in the main database have not been updated since January either.:twisted:

At the moment, from what I gather, the forum is new and functioning well, but the main database is at the verge of total collapse. Unfortunately, building a new one, with all the new options, means a huge amount of preparatory work done by just one person in his spare time. Only then will it be possible to transfer the old info and add the new that is being continuously collected including results of genetic tests, etc.

To be honest, if updating the old database would carry the risk of its ultimate collapse I'd rather it remained the way it is until the new one is constructed, even if it takes several months. 8)
I don't understand why breeders cannot update their own sites, put links to them on WD in their profiles, signatures etc. and inform on the forum about their consecutive updates. This could be a reasonable temporary solution until the new database is completed.

BTW: It is clear that the obligations of the terms of cooperation are fulfilled by the Admin: adverts of the new litters appear regularly and are frequently refreshed.8)

I hope my explanations helped some of you grasp how the site functions. if not, I can only quote Morian:;)

Hello Massimo - I am new to the breed relatively, so can you tell me what the differences are now and then?

Wanted to ask the same question :roll:

Rona, totally true about the webpages of kennels!
Peolpe do not find time/money/knowledge to update or create even their own sites (no info, no photos, no translations, no updates, no homepages at all), but this hudge database (a genius kind of work for me, as my knowledge in computers stops at building my own hardly working site :oops:) should work like a clock and have all the news added at once.
This is not for somebody personally, just a little observation.

On the other hand... The "deal" was: you give us all the info about your dogs and dogs from your kennel, we publish it here. So it is not strange that some people feel dissapointed or even tricked. Still, we all should understand, that creation and administration of such a database requires time and efforts. In this case there are some problems, not dependant on people, we should all have patience and wait for the New Born Database with (I hope 8)) new, better possibilities :beer

IMHO it's a matter of tools, obsolete tools give unmanagable sites. Nowadays, it's rather easy to build from scratch such a website using proper tools such Python + Django ;).

You're probably right :)

That's why I find it even more surprising why all those who regularly complain and grumble here have not created a better WOLFDOG BIS project yet :p:roll:

Pedro, I understand your remarks, I know that much people shares your opinion.

You know that me also I would like to see all the results of Doubayh on the database ;).They will be there.

Now it is necessary to be patient…. Wolfdog is the site of reference on the race,the problems currently, is true, but it is necessary to keep hope on the rebuilding…. ;)

I am grateful for your words Martial but the answers that are given do not convince me, I´m sorry !!!

There are many people who thinks like I and who is not satisfied.

First and that remains clear, that I am a lover of the web until to begun to giving problems

In the answers always one refers to them same, and more and more....
It seems that I have not explained well.

Example:

The gentleman "A" sends information of his dog and of an expo. In WD it does not appear at all because there are problems of web, is torn. OK


The gentleman "B" sends information of his dog and of an expo. In WD they say to him that it does not appear at all because the web is changing. OK


The gentleman "C" sends information of another expo where his dog appears. IN WD it does not appear at all for lack of time, persons, etc. OK


BUT , the gentleman "D" sends the information of his dog and of his expo. In WD it appears to the instant. For him there is no problem ever. For his dog the information is updated always.

Why?

I believe that I have been very clear.

I am worry it is slow dead of wolfdog.org- what is sad.....

It seems now Margo hadn't been such a bad Admin, after all.:rock_3 I keep repeating things can always get worse... :twisted: :lol:

i wonder how people which use wolfdog (even now, expressing their discontent) can't be satisfied by its work :lol: you must be thankful to margo and other persons working here for free and giving us possibility to use database and meet here on this forum. if you're too proud to say thanks, then please calm down and wait quietly until the site will work normally again.

Why constant do they allude to another topic? Why do they try to put in my mouth what I do not say?

Perhaps, since it is in the habit of happening, that he thinks otherwise already is it bad?

Nothing has that to see the effort and what means the page with the fact that the things are done well or badly. Neither with the fact that only a minority (not if you will be in her) benefits from all this.

I go approximately 7 years RECOMMENDING web this one all the people, do not I have right to be disappointed by the result that I see?

hmm... too litle strange :) right = recommending :) for my this not same :)
I understand when people who realy work have disappointed, but now :)
I work like admin, I make lithuanian site, translate all info to ours language, but NOT FEEL disappointing for this who now are.
problem is problem who be fixed in future and end. If not like situation or moore "politics" no problem all people are free and CAN make NEW and BETTER site about wolfdog.

true or not?

Very true, but it is too much work for most or they don't understand just how much work is involved. Keep up the good work admin and we must all have faith and patience that the site will, once again, have all it's features. For the moment, put in your requests - but understand that some prioritisation must take place if admin are not to become swamped - and be patient; all will be done in time. I, like many, am waiting for information etc to be updated but continually pestering and harrassing those trying to fix the site will not get my requests done any faster (maybe it will move them down in priority because I am too impatient, I know that if I was in their position this would happen :twisted:)

So please, everyone, give admin a break, or go off and design and build AND MAINTAIN (that's the really hard bit!) your own WD site.

"all good things come to those who wait" (to quote my Mum and whoever originally said it)