kaya's pups
kaya and fergus have just had a litter, 8 so far, all health:). kaya is doing realy well. very happy. will put some pics up later when i have time.
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Looking forward to seeing the photos!:lol: |
Congratulation. I wish to pups very long and health life ;-)
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opps, make that nine pups;)
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WOW! Congrats!
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Congratulation from Sweden to :cake
Fergus Crying Wolf X Kaya... ??? Can you help me, I can not find her breeder or data... Best regards / Mikael |
Congrats from Brazil! :)
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--Edit-- Yes it may be, now I look at her profile :p |
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Best regards / Mikael |
:ehmmm hmmmmmm... Is this data really right >>> Fergus Crying Wolf, Birthday: 2008.12.06
Regards / Mikael |
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her berth name is takima wolfzone...kaya is her pet name, sorry bout that;-) |
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soon as i figher out how i will add them all. prob tomorrow when i got a bit more time;-) |
congratulation, but Your dog have HD, ED test?
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Gratzzzzz!!!
All d best for all pupies!;) |
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can some one help me, i cant figger out how to add kayas pups to database?:?
all 9 pups are doing well and are nice and healthy, kaya is doing a great job with them, was worried she might sqash a few but she hasnt:) |
I suppose you should write to Admin, ... but as far as I have noticed he updates the database more or less every 2 months, so it might take a while...
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Is this info really correct ???
Tikaani, do you seriously mean that you have mated a shy 11 month old not HD tested puppy to a not HD tested female :shock: :shock: :shock: ???
As on your site it say… "GUS is a pure czechoslovakian wolf dog. he is male and very freindly in nature, a little bit shy…" GUS = Fergus Crying Wolf Birthday: 2008.12.06 / Mikael |
Again one horrible case. nd as I see, Tikaani dont feel anything. She create the forum and is proud, that producing puppies on not adult and not health tested dogs. Am very sad :(
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It is "preliminary" because OFA requires the dog to be 24 months, Kaya was 18 - Mild Unilateral = C hip on one side The birthdate of Takima's litter has been changed on wolfdog.org recently(I remember, because two of her littermates - Jorja and Raider - are listed as being in the US, so I wrote down the information in my own "USA" records) - it used to say 01.12.2007, same as this Kaya. Also, there is this thread, the film date is the same as the thread date: http://www.wolfdog.org/forum/showthread.php?t=11285 I think the BVA only reads test results for registered breeds in the UK, which is why the films were examined in the US through OFA (there is no registration number - NOREG). I don't know why it says AKC; this is not an AKC number, and this dog is definitely not registered through AKC. Although, I think Wolfzone (or maybe Paul) somehow had official results from the BVA on Kaya's parents - it appears to be the UK scoring scheme in the database results. |
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Best regards / Mikael |
Tikkani,
Since there are some unclear issues, could you please sort them out ? It would be great if you wrote how old the parents were, if they were X-rayed and what HD results they obtained. Don't be surprised that after all the wolfdog.org discussions on unethical CSV breeding in the UK people are a bit distrustful... I somehow took for granted that you were the kind of person who wanted to do things right, i.e. breed CSV according to certain standards, like reliable breeders in Europe do. 8) I hope I was not mistaken?:) |
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i believe the kc/bva do score csv's now..altough i do not intend to breed i am going to have my boy scored just for the information. i do not see why the hurry to breed these two dogs :cry: |
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Very best regards / Mikael |
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this post should get your fingers busy good night |
Kaya couldnt of been mated when she was 18months,she is from the previous litter to my lad..she must be nearer to 2 1/2 ;);):)
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Only my perspective...
I think most people consider it ethical breeding practice to see how a dog will develop in temperament and health before breeding it - 11 months on the male obviously won't hurt him - but, it's hard to see what he is really like at that age, since personalities (as well as structure) develop so much during adolescence. I don't think people responding to this thread pin the UK as the only culprit, we are all 100% aware this happens in other places - but since the topic was started, I believe it opened it up to discussion and critique. As a new breeder myself, I am certainly open to that with my own litters - and hope other new breeders are as well. I think it would be great if everyone took the time, effort, and yes, money to breed as responsibly as possible. While Lee (or other breeders in the same situation) will have the aftermath to deal with if there are bad results on the male, it is the puppies who will have to suffer the potential effects of breeding with 2 dysplastic dogs. I certainly hope it's not the case, and the puppies (and Gus) turn out happy, brilliant, and healthy... I think Kaya is a perfectly acceptable age to breed (I don't think there was ever any question about that), and commend Lee for having her hips tested and allowing them to be public, if those are indeed her results on the OFA page. With C hips, it becomes so very important to be certain you are breeding to a healthy dog from a healthy line - I think people really worry for the pups since Argo (father of Gus), though healthy himself, has produced some puppies with HD. If not breeding to improve the breed, with only the best probabilities for a stable, correct and healthy litter being matched together, then why breed? If I were Lee, I would probably wait until 18 months (or maybe 24) before I tested Gus; since there is nothing to be done at this point, and the results are much more reliable at an older age. I know you and Rona definitely do not see eye to eye...but I think in previous posts she has been very supportive of Tikaani in his ventures, as I recall, even if she was not in agreement with other practices in the UK. I really think it was probably a shock and disbelief to her to see the details of the breeding. Whatever the outcome, there are nine new pups in the world, and again, I hope only the best for them. |
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Hello Solowolf
I think you did ask Nebulosa some HD questions when she had her first litter in Brazil... now was that an attack on Brazilian breeders ;) ??? And many many many people has had to answer questions online here on the English forum like for example Wilczy Omen, Wolfsirius, Taabernakkelin, Da louba tar, Crying Wolf, Dancing Cloud, z Peronowki, Zlata Palz, Monika, you and more... and very soon ME :p !!! Some of this breeders at least did answer are questions ;) Remember there are also 9 more Wolfdog forums on this site, many questions are asked to breeders there to... I think if you plan to breed CsW and start kennel topics here, you will have to answer some questions... Especially if it say "data not available" on the HD info and you breed whit a dog that is under 12 month, and this goes for ALL Breeders not just the ones in the UK... My veterinarian recommends that male dogs of this size are to be at least 24 month to do a HD x-ray, and Just for the record I think I will x-ray Hronec at 36 month :wink: As I do not plan to breed him this spring neither :o... Very best regards / Mikael |
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But how do I find them :? ??? Best regards / Mikael |
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http://www.wolfdog.org/forum/forumdisplay.php?f=11 Portuguese: http://www.wolfdog.org/forum/forumdisplay.php?f=153 |
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I see in database you import from crying wolf another problematic puppie coming from displasia line. Your female is Histeria Crying wolf and you say you have experiences in breeding but you import female for breeding which is inbreed on Feherlofia - a dysplatic dog and have many many dog with bad results in pedigree. you write many things about health of CLC and criticize other but you do very bad work in you contry because you say it is good to breed with dog from dysplasia line without knowing his hip results. And you import dogs inbreeded on dysplasia. You make really bad for health of CLC in UK. |
Dear Lupis ,
I'm always happy when I read your nice words....would you be so kind to answer my question I made a mounth ago to you.....such as: what is your experienses with CSWolfdogs? your breeding experiences? etc...... Because as I see you are always just critisizes everybody but couldn't show anything by yourself! Please write me the names of the"many many wrong Hd resulted dogs of Histeria's pedigree" And please don't forget that Argo's pups have mothers as well..... Paul doesn't need to worry about the health of the dogs: I give breeding and health quarantee for EVERY of our pups! Else : of course I don't agree that Lee used Fergus. He is young , he hasn't got breeding license and no HB results. Edit |
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bitch AMGRA VLEI NADIJE b.o.birth 20/12/1998 first litter born 23/12/1999 BITCH WAS MATED AT 10 MTHS OLD.... THIS BITCH WENT ON TO PRODUCE 70 PUPS, THIS BITCH HAD ITS LAST LITTER WHEN IT WAS 10.5 YRS OLD THIS BITCH HAD 10 LITTERS IN ITS BREEDING LIFETIME. SO BITCH WAS BRED AT 10 MTHS OLD WAS IT HIP SCORED?? TO YOUNG,, can you find out if this had hd test done before she was mated at 10 mths old, Quote:
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If you report really bad kennels start with kennels of your friends. You criticize other but same time you import dogs from Crying wolf kennel who is abusing females and dogs much more than anybody else. And not pay attention to any rules. -In breeding she makes inbreed on dogs with dysplasia (Durcás Dorka Fehérlófia) - see pedigree of dog: http://www.wolfdog.org/ita/dbase/p3573-5.html. 4 grandparents and 3 with dysplasia and high inbreed in dysplasja. -Covering with dogs with worst results and all people know because of it Crying dogs have much worst results as other dogs - breeding with dogs with no FCI right for breeding (Hron, AMore, Hitt ). - she breed with Arys z Oravy and female was almost 10 years old and in very bad condition. My friends see her in Bratislava and say it is shame for breeder to breed with female so old in look and condition. Poor bitch. - she cover females as often as she can and Mooa z Krotkovského dvora have 2 litters in one year in 2004: litter with P and with M. Rubin Crying Wolf have 2 litter in one year too: in 2007 litter with A and litter with W. Same one year later in 2008: litter with C and litter with H. Poor female have in 2 years 4 litters!!!! Horrible. And you import Histera from such litter so you also support and promote abusing of females by Crying Wolf. - and for me wors a breeder can do is to breed with dog and to sell old or not needed dogs and Crying wolf is worst one. In Italy we have some dogs saved from Crying Wolf kennel. Now in dogs looking for new home I see more dogs not needed dogs from this kennel: Flota Lupus Bohemia Genao - one litter now is for sale because she is old. Igor - also not more needed. Whipser - one litter I saw on Crying pages now. No puppes born so dog also for sale. Some breeder do something wrong. I think all breeder can make on mistake. But you play angel for Wolfdogs but you promote worst kennel I even know according abusing of dogs. Kennel with NO ethics. If you write to FCI start with this one. |
Dear Lupis ,
If you see my page, you could see many retaired , old and castrated dogs in my kennel and they are not looking for new home...soooo...maybe there is another reason why Flota needs new home. Whisper : he hasn't got litters and even I not planned.....and if you would be so more conversant with him, you surely know that I had to buy him back from his owner............ Please write me the name of the dogs which were saved from me to Italy!!!!!!!!!!! And pour Arys was Veteren World Winner and Best Veteran in Bratislava WDS, she is in excelent condition!!!! My dogs are not more accused HD than others (especial to see that we are working from the same sources), I give health and breeding quarantee for my pups! And if you write something please write facts and not lies , according to FCI rules : A,B and C results makes you able to breed, and don't forget that Enzo is HD/A. And don't forget that many italian dogs has got the same lines : Fehérlófia Dalos Duna and Fehérlófia Dinom Dánom! Those, who know me and my dogs, those know that my dogs are in excelent condition, and I realy don't need to see bonitacion code to decided the quality of the dog. Son of Hitt , Emir was Young World Winner, Enzo 2nd place...and Hitt has breeding licence, Amore Mio is World Winner and has breeding licence. Are they bad dogs???? hmmm you have very strange taste and your CSW breeder friends are simple jelous!!!!! |
Lupis, you seem to know a lot of csws. But sometimes people are not able to handle and care right for csw. So they start talking gossip. The life shows that it is always better to make an own picture of what you want to talk about. How could a dog be veteran world winner and your friends told you that Ayrs was in bad condition. The judges were the probably best speciality judges the breed has. So I can only say your friends do know nothing about csw breed!
I know some of Edits dogs, I know the place where she lives with her dogs and I have Myla Crying wolf. And Edit lives and dies for her dogs. She breeds csw with real character! She breeds wolfish looking csws. Christian with pack |
Lupis is not my friend, I don't know Edit and nor am I jeleous, neither own a CW dog, but the info about double litters in one year seems to be true, at least according to WD database. Or maybe the base's lying?
If not, is it correct/legal to breed on a bitch every few months in Hungary? How was it feasible to register four litters of the same bitch in just two years?:shock: Please take no offence, Edit, I'm not criticizing your dogs, their condition or health, only asking and hope you had your (good?) reasons to do so. |
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[quote=jasmine;281651]Son of Hitt , Emir was Young World Winner, Enzo 2nd place...and Hitt has breeding licence, Amore Mio is World Winner and has breeding licence. Are they bad dogs????[quote] I not say about dogs but about rules. In Italy we have many nice dogs with no pedigrees. IF dog have no pedigree it can be good too. But i say that hitt, Amore and Hrin have no FCI breeding right. No bonitation when you use them. Now Amore and hitt has but you broken FCI rules. Hron is still not for breeding. It is not jalous but i show solwoolf you are master of cheating. Not Sarka. |
Hello Rona,
We could make 3 litters in 2 years. I had to ask special request to my litter was born 28.02.2008. The local vet examined Rubin and the circumstances and wrote report. As everything was ok, Rubin and the pups were in good condition I had got the right to get pedigree for the pups. (If you see there is almost a year inbetween the pups born 28.02.2008 and 10.12. 2008 ) Rubin first two litter was from Ali, who was old (sorry is old, as thanks for God, he is still alive ) and had holiday in my kennel and the reason why I made two litter after him and quite short term is that I want this bloodline to combine with my dogs and unfortunately my other female (Demon) was empty after him. Rubin's second litter were just two pups, so you could imagine, it was nothing for her. Normaly my females are in heat 1 time a year and have pups 1 times a year and just those which are in breeding condition or I have breeding plan. When I plan a litter with my females I always see the condition and the health status of my females, Arys was checked before the mateing, make test for her kindey and liver function and ultrasonic about her utherus, she was checked every week during the pregnancy by my vet. This year I had a lot of request for pups from Flash...but her condition is not breeding condition anymore, moreover she had problem during the whealping with her last litter. So it was no question that she won't have puppies anymore!!!!! Such as I have castrated females as they are out of breeding(Hannah E.S, Briza C.W)......and Dorka and Mona was castrated as well as they came out of breeding and stayed with us. |
Thanks for your explanations :)
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Lunatica was reserved as she was born....as Massimo loves her mother......Laguna was bought and not adopted!!!!! , what Rosella wrote is fault...I have got a sales contract (sorry Lupis..) such as Forrest !!!!!!
Forrest is an EUCH, HCH dog with very nice, handable caracter, do you think I wanted to adopt him free of charge?????? Arys: as you was not there a little bit strange to read your words. I wish everybody this kind of "bad conditioned", "old looking" 10 years old dog!!!!!! Please check it that this pour , old dog was over 9 when win the open class in german klubshow!!!!!!! It is a shame that you dare to write this...it is hurt not just me but the judges as well!!!!! Rules: every country, every klub has got different rules...............please look after the FCI rules more precizely!!!!! displasia: I start to boring always repeat myself: we work from the same bloodlines, no 100% HD clear lines, moreover in italy you use the same bloodlines!!!!!!Not make inbreed??? ahhh please!!!!!I wont write name of the dogs/kennels as I have never wanted to clearify myself to drop shit anybody else, buth we both know there are many many dogs in italy which has got Dinom-Danom and Dalos Duna is the pedigree.....and many other inbreeding as well. Edit |
Lupis,
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??? hehehe , you misundurstud something...
before you attacted me read over the text.. Flash has never had 4 litters inbetween 2 years....and she hasn't got breeding condition. Rubin has excelent condition !!!!!! But it is you: your aim just droping shits and wtite BAD and Bad just for your fun. But many of us it is not a good fun.......... Edit PS: I have never risked of any of my dogs health or life. NEVER!!! |
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I surely won't continue this useless conversation with you !!!!
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I also did see her with her puppies two months later. This is simply not true, she is in very good condition, has no problems to move, a very good mother and has a very friendly open character. And surely not ALL people would even dream of telling your wrong story. At this visit I also saw only well fed animals, kept in groups, not isolated, having the possibility to run free in a big area together in terms. And a breeder that is devoting all her spare time and money to this animals and also does spend an extremely high amount in health care and treatment in everyone of her animals no matter of it is of any use for breeding or not. If you are so naive to believe everything you hear you should at least be so sensible not to spread gossips in an open forum. And please don´t answer I also won´t feed the troll once more. Ina |
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And you answer is normal because you her friend and you have twoi dogs from her kennel. so yiu will never write you support such kind of puppy producing. Maybe for you abusing females is ok and two litter every year are healthy for females. But all normal breeder say it is just breeding foir money because is no reason to use female so much times in year. |
WHY DO YOU CONTINUE REPLYING TO A TROLL??
Lupis is an accurate reader of Italian forums and takes his own conclusions. Apparently it is the "season" to attack Edit and Crying Wolf dogs again, it happens periodically. Edit is not perfect and surely has done mistakes, as all humans do. Bringing arguments old 5 years is typical of useless TROLLS. Has Lupis ever visited Kennel Crying Wolf? Has Lupis compared bloodlines coming out of Crying Wolf kennel today and that of 4-5 years ago? Has Lupis noticed how much the characters of Crying Wolf dogs has improved since the last years? Lupis, until you SIGN your posts, your words are like free shit spreading in the air and no-one to blame. I wouldn't give you my Crying Wolf Lunatica not even if you paid me several thousand euros. (if you paid me hundred thousands I would give her to you and then pay somebody to steal her back!!:lol::lol::lol:) Why? It's true, she doesn't do shows, she is displasic and therefore sterilized... You will NOT have a reply, only those who care for their dogs and don't spend their days spreading bad words about everybody can understand. |
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And now you make the Moderators wark again...
Post #42 has nothing to do whit "kaya's pups" and not any post after that neither :rock_3 You know Lupis... You can COPY and after that start a new topic and pastle the quote there ;-) Or way not open the topic "Crying Wolf" and ask your questions there ??? Very best regards / Mikael |
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pixie is someone that has one of tikaani's litter here in the uk i think... so friends with solowolf and tikaani i am guessing(so her pup has a crying-wolf sire) regards layla |
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pixie... why are you being so defensive?... calling someone a 'friend' is hardly labelling or offensive. :?
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I think that maybe people do get them for the wolf thing i just like them and i also think that that is because of the wolf thing, but i would not swop her because she is fantastic pet, i dont want a working dog but would like to see the owners over here unite and try and get the breed recognised by the kennel club
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and having another litter :shock::shock: so what if its 'the last time' :? also re hip scores...did you just want a csv? did you not think hipscores of your dogs parents realevent? :? sad so sad :-( unite with whom?.. people that care about the breed?.... show me them and i will ;) regards layla. |
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if you are so against people breeding a second litter a year later then why did you buy your pup as he is from a litter born a year later is he not ????????? also as i understand it C is not as good as a b but is still ok for breeding and if you look on here there is quite a lot of C's in the pedagrees, iv even seen D,s and E hd scores used in some of the bloodlines used for breeding. |
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your last litter are not old enough to judge wether they are quality dogs,why breed again so soon if its not for money?...thing is,some people say they have the breeds interest at heart...i do not believe them....if you cared you wouldnt be fighting with me? i do not want to fall out with anybody! eta... c is an equalivent of 26-35 in the bva scheme... now if somebody wanted to breed their gsd they would be advised not to..so why with a csv? |
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im not fighting with anyone, im mearly pointing out that c scores are ok acording to the clubs and breeding a second litter a year later is aloud aswell. i dont breed for money, and im not a breeder, i sead last year that i would have one more litter then get kaya fixed so no more pups, i prefer her to have them now, then when she is old.as for caring about my dogs, i love mine very much, they are pets, they live with me and my family inside and outside the house, all my pups were born inside the house and were cared for by me day and night. I also keep in contact with all the pups owners, cheking on them all the time, visiting them ect. if i was just after the money i wouldnt care less soon as they went would i. and if you are going to have a go about the rights and wrongs of having a second litter then why did you buy one, seems a little two faced to me to have a go at some one when you bought one from a litter that was born a year after the last litter.. as i sead, im not having a go but just pionting out a few facts.. |
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