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elf	20-06-2011 18:26

Cutt ---dell'Irco Sortiere--- / Miky Passo del Lupo

Some updates on how it goes with numbers:

20% of living CSV have Cutt ---dell'Irco Sortiere--- (dog born in 2001) in their pedigree.

13% of living CSV have Miky Passo del Lupo (dog born in 2002) in their pedigree.

yukidomari

20-06-2011 18:45

Quote:

Originally Posted by elf (Bericht 387876)

20% of living CSV have Cutt ---dell'Irco Sortiere--- (dog born in 2001) in their pedigree.

13% of living CSV have Miky Passo del Lupo (dog born in 2002) in their pedigree.

Thanks for the numbers. I roughly counted Cutt as having sired over 20 litters....... knowing nothing about him, I must wonder if there was some reason to use him this many times? :shock:

Mikael

20-06-2011 19:03

Yes, but how many of this dogs live in Italy 99% :p ???

Can we call Fabio and complain you think :lol: ???

Very best regards / Mikael

draggar

20-06-2011 19:04

A vlcak version of Lance of Fran-Jo?

20% in only 10 years? That sounds almost impossible (but I know it's very possible).

Mikael

20-06-2011 19:32

Here are the numbers from 2008

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 Numbers of offsprings 10 topplist on CsV born after year 2000. :shock:



47 offsprings 2002.12.31 Baron spod Ïumbiera

48 offsprings 2001.12.03 Batt Malý Bysterec

54 offsprings 2004.01.31 Merlin Crying Wolf

51 offsprings 2000.10.06 Rendy ---Passo del Lupo---

55 offsprings 2001.12.04 Edgar Passo del Lupo

60 offsprings 2004.11.11 Vaicko Passo del Lupo 

73 offsprings 2003.04.18 Timber Wolf Arimminum 

82 offsprings 2002.10.15 Duncan ---Colle del Lupo--- 

135 offsprings 2001.04.12 Cutt ---dell'Irco Sortiere--- 

151 offsprings 2002.10.03 Miky Passo del Lupo



Very sad regards / Mikael

Can you get us a update elf :) ???

Very best regards / Mikael

elf	20-06-2011 19:44

Here is on 1 generation: http://www.amicale-chien-loup-tcheco...mit=60&depth=1

2 generations: http://www.amicale-chien-loup-tcheco...it=200&depth=2

3 generations: http://www.amicale-chien-loup-tcheco...it=400&depth=3

elf	20-06-2011 19:51

You can see that Will Passo del Lupo z Molu Es, born in 2007, already have 119 offspring, on the way to beat a record...

yukidomari

20-06-2011 19:52

Guess PDL thinks that "popular stud syndrome" is a good thing, then. :|

Mikael

20-06-2011 20:23

http://forumbilder.se/images/850201182003Pabc6.jpg

Atleast they seam to breed on A/A dogs...

Thanks elf :) Best regards / Mikael

Mikael

20-06-2011 20:47

Quote:

Originally Posted by yukidomari (Bericht 387921)

Guess PDL thinks that "popular stud syndrome" is a good thing, then. :|

Noooo Jing, Fabio at Passo del Lupo think that $$$ is a good ide :rock_3

Best regards / Mikael

PS, Jing look at the Bonitation codes for Miky and Cutt, DS.

yukidomari

20-06-2011 21:25

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mikael (Bericht 387942)

PS, Jing look at the Bonitation codes for Miky and Cutt, DS.

I saw those before, but I didn't say anything since on the board there was another discussion about how inaccurate bonitations are, how someone went to different bonitations to 'shop' for different results.. :o

Mikael

20-06-2011 21:52

Quote:

Originally Posted by yukidomari (Bericht 387960)

Yes, but it do not look like Fabio has bean "shoping" for good result, Miky has no official Bonitation and Cutt is P14 >>> http://www.wolfdog.org/php/modules.p...ation&wid=3584

Best regards / M

GalomyOak

20-06-2011 22:49

While I don't agree with the number of times Cutt or Miky were used, and I know there are problems in the lines...if we are arguing bonitation results, of all of the "official" results for offspring from these two dogs (most are "unofficial"), almost all are P1 or P3 from these 2 dogs. And almost all hips are A or B. A bigger concern for me than bonitation results is heavy linebreeding on these dogs in future breeding...many of the cases of ED can be found from Charon (Cutt's father), according to the statistics from elf's program.

Vaiva

20-06-2011 23:17

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mikael (Bericht 387891)

Yes, but how many of this dogs live in Italy 99% :p ???

Very best regards / Mikael

Sure, and this is again a shadow on certain county's breeders :(

arnaldo_it

24-06-2011 14:54

Quote:

Originally Posted by GalomyOak (Bericht 388000)

many of the cases of ED can be found from Charon (Cutt's father), according to the statistics from elf's program.

Charon (seda eminence, I suppose) father of Cutt?
uhm...

http://www.wolfdog.org/eng/dbase/p3584-5.html

lupis

24-06-2011 19:36

Quote:

Originally Posted by GalomyOak (Bericht 388000)

A bigger concern for me than bonitation results is heavy linebreeding on these dogs in future breeding...many of the cases of ED can be found from Charon (Cutt's father), according to the statistics from elf's program.

in not only ed but are problems with cancer too. many young dogs die from cancer.

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